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OA260 wrote:As far as I know its open to all airlines now if you pay.
AerTuras1987 wrote:Fairly severe congestion into DUB this evening, 14 aircraft in holding patterns at one point aroiund 7pm. single ruway ops, the KLM E2 diverted to BHD, I think it was KL491. RYR from EMA probably doubled it's air time, 4 or 5 times around a hold. I'm guessing it will be another year before suffiicent ATC headcount is available for extended dual unway ops. That or the IAA cough up some pay incrreases and they work overtime.
JAmie2k9 wrote:AerTuras1987 wrote:Fairly severe congestion into DUB this evening, 14 aircraft in holding patterns at one point aroiund 7pm. single ruway ops, the KLM E2 diverted to BHD, I think it was KL491. RYR from EMA probably doubled it's air time, 4 or 5 times around a hold. I'm guessing it will be another year before suffiicent ATC headcount is available for extended dual unway ops. That or the IAA cough up some pay incrreases and they work overtime.
FOD was reported by the runway so not an ATC issue.
AmricanShamrok wrote:JAmie2k9 wrote:AerTuras1987 wrote:Fairly severe congestion into DUB this evening, 14 aircraft in holding patterns at one point aroiund 7pm. single ruway ops, the KLM E2 diverted to BHD, I think it was KL491. RYR from EMA probably doubled it's air time, 4 or 5 times around a hold. I'm guessing it will be another year before suffiicent ATC headcount is available for extended dual unway ops. That or the IAA cough up some pay incrreases and they work overtime.
FOD was reported by the runway so not an ATC issue.
Is there no way they could’ve opened the other runway temporarily? Seems a bit bizarre and would’ve sorted the issue in a relatively short time.
ClassicLover wrote:OA260 wrote:As far as I know its open to all airlines now if you pay.
Hence the e-mail, I suppose! Not sure if I'd want to pay for it... 51st and Green, that's a no brainer when it comes to paying (because there it virtually nothing else to do after US Preclearance), but not so much the East Lounge.
Meanwhile, Air Service One did a little piece on the Dublin to Liverpool EI service starting -
https://airserviceone.com/new-route-of-the-day-27-april-2023-aer-lingus-between-dublin-and-liverpool/
They note it's their third attempt at the route!
AerTuras1987 wrote:That or the IAA cough up some pay increases and they work overtime.
OA260 wrote:AerTuras1987 wrote:That or the IAA cough up some pay increases and they work overtime.
Speaking of which .
More than half of staff at the IAA earn over €100,000
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/0 ... over-100k/
eidvm wrote:Another closure of Dublin airspace again last night from 02:00-02:30 and again 04:00-04:30, looks like it’ll be a regular occurrence for the summer season. Had a friend on a flight from Alicante and the pilot said they would have to wait an hour on the ground in Alicante before leaving as Dublin ATCs needed a fatigue break and there was no sickness cover that normally would be there if it were fully staffed.
JAmie2k9 wrote:... "we do see some weakness in people travelling for business purposes, particularly ... between Britain and Ireland"
“We’re seeing really good strength in short-haul leisure, particularly around the Mediterranean"
JAmie2k9 wrote:The Chief Executive of Aer Lingus ... said Aer Lingus now wants to see new stands built quickly around the terminals that already exist, rather than thinking about a third terminal.
PhilipBass wrote:when I passed through Departures Security at T2 on the weekend they had boarded off a lot of security scan areas behind that glass wall. I hope they were working on recommissioning them as areas where multiple passengers can load trays simultaneously. I think the check-in area can handle the load if staffed adequately and if there are enough self-service kiosks for check-in. Stands are definitely a limiting factor to further growth.
PhilipBass wrote:After the Coronation, the UK and in particular London is a prime leisure market for at least the next two years.
PhilipBass wrote:After the Coronation, the UK and in particular London is a prime leisure market for at least the next two years. You simply can't buy that sort of promotion for Tourism which we witnessed on Saturday.
planemanofnz wrote:JAmie2k9 wrote:The Chief Executive of Aer Lingus ... said Aer Lingus now wants to see new stands built quickly around the terminals that already exist, rather than thinking about a third terminal.
Maybe I'm missing something, but additional flights don't just get facilitated by stands - focusing just on stands doesn't address the need for additional check-in and security space too, which a new terminal would partly address. These landside parts of DUB are already really busy at the best of times.
planemanofnz wrote:JAmie2k9 wrote:... "we do see some weakness in people travelling for business purposes, particularly ... between Britain and Ireland"
“We’re seeing really good strength in short-haul leisure, particularly around the Mediterranean"
Could we see some capacity diverted from the UK into new leisure markets?
PhilipBass wrote:when I passed through Departures Security at T2 on the weekend they had boarded off a lot of security scan areas behind that glass wall. I hope they were working on recommissioning them as areas where multiple passengers can load trays simultaneously. I think the check-in area can handle the load if staffed adequately and if there are enough self-service kiosks for check-in. Stands are definitely a limiting factor to further growth.
JAmie2k9 wrote:PhilipBass wrote:when I passed through Departures Security at T2 on the weekend they had boarded off a lot of security scan areas behind that glass wall. I hope they were working on recommissioning them as areas where multiple passengers can load trays simultaneously. I think the check-in area can handle the load if staffed adequately and if there are enough self-service kiosks for check-in. Stands are definitely a limiting factor to further growth.
Starting to put the new C3 security scanners in. Posted on social media saying they will have have 5 operational by mid June between both terminals.
planemanofnz wrote:JAmie2k9 wrote:The Chief Executive of Aer Lingus ... said Aer Lingus now wants to see new stands built quickly around the terminals that already exist, rather than thinking about a third terminal.
Maybe I'm missing something, but additional flights don't just get facilitated by stands - focusing just on stands doesn't address the need for additional check-in and security space too, which a new terminal would partly address. These landside parts of DUB are already really busy at the best of times.
JAmie2k9 wrote:planemanofnz wrote:JAmie2k9 wrote:The Chief Executive of Aer Lingus ... said Aer Lingus now wants to see new stands built quickly around the terminals that already exist, rather than thinking about a third terminal.
Maybe I'm missing something, but additional flights don't just get facilitated by stands - focusing just on stands doesn't address the need for additional check-in and security space too, which a new terminal would partly address. These landside parts of DUB are already really busy at the best of times.
As others have said this is down to staffing.
ClassicLover wrote:What I've always thought would make a lot of sense is for T2 check-in to be changed around so that the airlines all shared the space. At the other end of the terminal, it's often quite dead as all the international airlines with their one or two flights a day are there, while the Aer Lingus end is always heaving. It might help to make the space usable by Aer Lingus as well. Or split it up so the Aer Lingus kiosk and bag drop people are in one area, and all the poor people on connecting itineraries who have to wait in line for a desk be put elsewhere.
PhilipBass wrote:After the Coronation, the UK and in particular London is a prime leisure market for at least the next two years. You simply can't buy that sort of promotion for Tourism which we witnessed on Saturday.
PhilipBass wrote:I really don't like London as a city and had no burning desire to visit it again but even I was thinking it might be nice to walk up the Mall to the Palace on a summer evening.
PhilipBass wrote:I really don't like London as a city and had no burning desire to visit it again but even I was thinking it might be nice to walk up the Mall to the Palace on a summer evening.
bennett123 wrote:I could understand this being a problem for Non Irish airlines, but Aer Lingus...
HTCone wrote:bennett123 wrote:I could understand this being a problem for Non Irish airlines, but Aer Lingus...
Computer systems for Irish airlines still need to communicate with non Irish ones in fairness.
al2637 wrote:This has been an ongoing issue for decades, a lot of older airline systems don't accept much more than alphanumeric characters (ASCII128).. more modern systems do, but under the covers a lot of systems still use decades old technology for basic processing, so it's a case of lowest common dominator as to what you can accept from the customer.
As stated they need to basically integrate with systems in every station they operate to, or anyone they interline/codeshare with.
Most airlines will just do a behind the scenes conversation, á becomes a, Ö becomes O etc etc, but it can have some unintended consequences, so other airlines just block it and make the user do the conversion themselves. Just checked flysas.com.. they still do the conversion
Shamrock145 wrote:I’m hearing whispers of a route to Beijing next year @EI
planemanofnz wrote:Shamrock145 wrote:I’m hearing whispers of a route to Beijing next year @EI
Can't see it myself.
PEK would have comparatively lower yields than other big Asian ports (TYO, HKG, SIN, etc), fewer strategic connections (particularly with no 'natural' OW partner), and would go against the core EI strategy of building connections through DUB to North America (something places as far south and east as BKK could still do). Maybe I am being overly pessimistic though!
al2637 wrote:This has been an ongoing issue for decades, a lot of older airline systems don't accept much more than alphanumeric characters (ASCII128).. more modern systems do, but under the covers a lot of systems still use decades old technology for basic processing, so it's a case of lowest common dominator as to what you can accept from the customer.
As stated they need to basically integrate with systems in every station they operate to, or anyone they interline/codeshare with.
Most airlines will just do a behind the scenes conversation, á becomes a, Ö becomes O etc etc, but it can have some unintended consequences, so other airlines just block it and make the user do the conversion themselves. Just checked flysas.com.. they still do the conversion
Shamrock145 wrote:I’m hearing whispers of a route to Beijing next year @EI
HTCone wrote:I was flying domestically in the US a few years ago with a friend with an apostrophe in their name (O'Surname) and the staff had to faff around with the system for quite some time to check them in as the system couldn't handle it.
bennett123 wrote:I could understand this being a problem for Non Irish airlines, but Aer Lingus...