flipdewaf wrote:Sermons wrote:ElroyJetson wrote:I think it's reasonable to assume the A359 costs more than the 787-10 because it is a more capable aircraft than the 787-10. Generally speaking, the more lift the more you pay. Plus, there have been numerous stories about how Boeing has ratcheted down production costs on the 787, particularly when Hawaiian chose the 789 versus the A338. As I recall, Leeham claimed it cost Boeing approximately 95 million to produce a 789 and sold them in that deal for $125 million.
Airbus should be charging more for an aircraft that can do more imho. Since both the 787 and A350 have sold extremely well, it appears both OEM's strategies for selling these aircraft appear to be working well.
Doesn't the a321neo have a lower list price than the MAX10 despite being more capable ? , last I checked, it did. Seems capability might not necessarily mean everything with regards to pricing.
I do believe that even thou the a359 and 78X could be similarly priced, the latter has more flexibility or wiggle room with it's pricing, meaning it should be possible to undercut the a359 in most cases since airlines rarely pay list price.
Since the 787-10 is just a stretched -9 and the fact that it shares more in common ( components ) with it's sibling than the a359 does with the a35K, it's not crazy to believe that the economics of scale favours the 787-10 more and allows it to be cheaper to build than the a359 in general
Build costs are closely tied to build rate, the fact that there is more of them around (both models are mature enough in their production) means little. I see no reason why the 78x would, at this stage, have more ‘wiggle room’.
I would say that the evidence that the 78X commands a higher value gives it additional margin, I would expect them both to cost about the same to make.
Fred
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Well the build rate didn't help the 787-8, still a pain in the ass for Boeing to produce and the 789/78X was (is still) favoured because of their better level of commonality (shared costs of production) . Nothing to do with how many of them around, but rather how many components could be shared across during production with little or no modification.
I'm Doubtful thou that the 78X has reached a comparable and mature rate of production as the a359 just yet , it would definitely be cheaper if it did. It has never really had a chance to do so since the Covid19 hit a year and a couple of months after it's EIS in 2018, and disrupted everything.