Australian Aviation Thread - June 2023

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QF744ER · Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:23 am

-ZNA ferried back in from wing repaint in Busan this morning as QF6020 and has gone out as QF63 to JNB, so looks like she's taken over the flying schedule of -ZND and she'll head up to GAMCO for her wing repaint in the next day or so, she should then be back to operate the inagural QF3 SYD-AKL-JFK service on the 14th June.

tristans · Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:40 am

QF744ER wrote:
-ZNA ferried back in from wing repaint in Busan this morning as QF6020 and has gone out as QF63 to JNB, so looks like she's taken over the flying schedule of -ZND and she'll head up to GAMCO for her wing repaint in the next day or so, she should then be back to operate the inagural QF3 SYD-AKL-JFK service on the 14th June.

ZND heading later this morning
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHZND

qf2220 · Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:02 am

Still seems illogical to be doing these as non revenue flights.

tullamarine · Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:08 am

qf2220 wrote:
Still seems illogical to be doing these as non revenue flights.

Do we know if QF is footing the bill for the repaint or if Boeing has to wear it? If Boeing is paying, I assume they also pay for the transport of the plane to the maintenance facility meaning a revenue operation probably isn't possible anyway.

QF744ER · Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:11 am

qf2220 wrote:
Still seems illogical to be doing these as non revenue flights.

Yep she's underway to Busan.

There's only 2 contractors undertaking the wing repaint works for Boeing, GAMCO at Pusan, Korea and one in VCV (where some of the Air NZ ones were rectified) and paint windows are tight and time sensitive. I haven't looked into it further but I don't believe QF actually pays for these ferry flights, the costs would be covered by the manufacturer.

QF744ER · Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:13 am

qf2220 wrote:
Still seems illogical to be doing these as non revenue flights.

Yep she's underway to Busan.

There's only 2 contractors undertaking the wing repaint works for Boeing, GAMCO at Busan, Korea and one in VCV (where some of the Air NZ ones were rectified) and paint windows are tight and time sensitive. As we've already covered the JQ ones were done at the same facility. I haven't looked into it further but I don't believe QF actually pays for these ferry flights, the costs would be covered by the manufacturer.

EK413 · Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:24 am

QF744ER wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Still seems illogical to be doing these as non revenue flights.

Yep she's underway to Busan.

There's only 2 contractors undertaking the wing repaint works for Boeing, GAMCO at Busan, Korea and one in VCV (where some of the Air NZ ones were rectified) and paint windows are tight and time sensitive. As we've already covered the JQ ones were done at the same facility. I haven't looked into it further but I don't believe QF actually pays for these ferry flights, the costs would be covered by the manufacturer.

I’m certain Boeing would fork out the cost of the ferry and repaint works.

I’m not sure which B789’s are next in line for wing repaint as there were only 3 aircraft scheduled.

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QF744ER · Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:38 am

-ZNB does have wing paint flaking but not to the same extent as the other 3. -ZNE onwards all look ok, for now.

All being well, -ZND will operate QF3 although there is a spare Dreamliner rostered to be in SYD, just in-case a sub is required.

NZ516 · Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:16 am

Qantas will increase Santiago to daily services.
There 787s will be very busy this summer season no time off for maintenance it seems

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230531-qfnw23scl

LoganTheBogan · Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:26 am

VH-ZNM is scheduled to touch down in Melbourne next Monday. Currently in the system as QF7879 but may be changed to a 6XXX flight number closer to departure.

EK413 · Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:55 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
VH-ZNM is scheduled to touch down in Melbourne next Monday. Currently in the system as QF7879 but may be changed to a 6XXX flight number closer to departure.

Based on the flight number sounds like another PS study flight.

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qf2220 · Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:54 am

NZ516 wrote:
Qantas will increase Santiago to daily services.
There 787s will be very busy this summer season no time off for maintenance it seems

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230531-qfnw23scl

Long long overdue.

EK413 · Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:39 pm

qf2220 wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
Qantas will increase Santiago to daily services.
There 787s will be very busy this summer season no time off for maintenance it seems

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230531-qfnw23scl

Long long overdue.

& QF once again certainly know how to stretch their fleet…

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Pm3207 · Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:12 pm

Anyone know where -OQD is off to this morning as QF6017?

myki · Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:21 pm

Pm3207 wrote:
Anyone know where -OQD is off to this morning as QF6017?

Google is your friend! Just type in "QF6017" and this shows up: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA6017

Pm3207 · Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:28 pm

Does Google tell you why by chance? Was actually looking for some insight…

RyanairGuru · Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:39 am

Pm3207 wrote:
Does Google tell you why by chance? Was actually looking for some insight…

I can’t provide any insight beyond speculation, but SIA Engineering have performed A380 maintenance for Qantas in the past so that would be my guess.

Also, in fairness to Myki your question was where it was going, not why it was going.

heeloliver · Fri Jun 02, 2023 4:27 am

VH-OQD is one of the last 380's with the original QF 380 interior right? And has been operating mostly SYD-SIN flights, so maybe it is headed to get a refurbished interior...

tristans · Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:04 am

heeloliver wrote:
VH-OQD is one of the last 380's with the original QF 380 interior right? And has been operating mostly SYD-SIN flights, so maybe it is headed to get a refurbished interior...

OQL is the one with the old interior (along with OQA and C, but they are likely being retrofitted in AUH)

Kent350787 · Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:39 am

heeloliver wrote:
VH-OQD is one of the last 380's with the original QF 380 interior right? And has been operating mostly SYD-SIN flights, so maybe it is headed to get a refurbished interior...

It's been operating a mix of SYD-SIN-LHR and SYD-LAX for at least the last three months. It was refitted March-June 2020.

As per the PP, OQL is the only one operating with the old interior.

EK413 · Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:07 am

Kent350787 wrote:
heeloliver wrote:
VH-OQD is one of the last 380's with the original QF 380 interior right? And has been operating mostly SYD-SIN flights, so maybe it is headed to get a refurbished interior...

It's been operating a mix of SYD-SIN-LHR and SYD-LAX for at least the last three months. It was refitted March-June 2020.

As per the PP, OQL is the only one operating with the old interior.

I’d say once -OQA, -OQC resume revenue service -OQL will under go reconfigure. Only can assume -OQL was brought online asap to cover SYD-HKG flying due to MEL-HKG pushed back.

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ABpositive · Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:05 pm

Anyone knows why there are such lengthy delays at Syd on 03 June? The weather is fine, so that's not causing an issue...

qfflyer · Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:11 pm

ABpositive wrote:
Anyone knows why there are such lengthy delays at Syd on 03 June? The weather is fine, so that's not causing an issue...

Fog. Weather is not fine

VirginFlyer · Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:12 pm

ABpositive wrote:
Anyone knows why there are such lengthy delays at Syd on 03 June? The weather is fine, so that's not causing an issue...

Fog with 400m visibility:

METAR: YSSY 022200Z 31009KT 0400 R34L/0450N R34/0700V0900N FG 15/14 Q1024

V/F

CostaDelSol90 · Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:15 pm

Sydney down to 400m in fog. Airport has switched to low visibility ops which significantly reduces capacity.

ABpositive · Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:22 pm

Cool, I was looking at the BOM showing sunny, dry weather in Sydney while waiting for my delayed flight... hopefully clears out by the time I land :smile:

RyanairGuru · Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:24 pm

I’m not sure whether to believe FlightRadar24, but it looks like QF2101 and ZL6413, both CFS-SYD, have been in the air for over 2h30m.

NTL must be effected as well. QF1596 MEL-NTL is returning to MEL.

anstar · Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:53 pm

QF12 LAX-SYD and NZ247 WLG-SYD both diverted to BNE.

Kent350787 · Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:58 pm

Sun breaking through now, so things should return to normal. QF733 to ADL just went overhead, running an hour late.

mrkerr7474 · Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:26 am

anstar wrote:
QF12 LAX-SYD and NZ247 WLG-SYD both diverted to BNE.

NZ247 in the air for 5hrs 32mins, quite incredible for a Tasman flight that's usually less than 3.5hrs.

How much fuel in terms of hours do the A320/737 usually carry across the Tasman does anyone know

waoz1 · Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:30 am

Air asia commenced its first Perth-Jakarta service this morning.
4x per week, looking to expand to daily

EK413 · Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:46 am

Kent350787 wrote:
Sun breaking through now, so things should return to normal. QF733 to ADL just went overhead, running an hour late.

Unfortunately a foggy morning takes hours to recover, lucky it’s a Saturday.

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qf2220 · Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:12 am

Absolute cracker of a day now in Sydney.

qf789 · Sat Jun 03, 2023 3:35 am

anstar wrote:
QF12 LAX-SYD and NZ247 WLG-SYD both diverted to BNE.

Other diversions included

QF44 DPS-SYD diverted to CBR
UA863 SFO-SYD diverted to MEL, was suppose to ferry back to SYD but now going back to SFO from MEL
QF2001 TMW-SYD diverted to CBR
QF402 MEL-SYD diverted to CBR
QF2037 DBO-SYD returned to DBO
QF2161 PQQ-SYD returned to PQQ
QF2220 WGA-SYD diverted to CBR
ZL6953 ARM-SYD diverted to OAG
QF162 WLG-SYD diverted to CBR
QF2019 ARM-SYD returned to ARM
QF140 AKL-SYD diverted to BNE
QF1536 HBA-SYD diverted to CBR
ZL6454 GFF-SYD diverted to OAG
LA801 AKL-SYD diverted to CBR, outbound LA800 SYD-AKl has been cancelled

smi0006 · Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:13 am

qf789 wrote:
anstar wrote:
QF12 LAX-SYD and NZ247 WLG-SYD both diverted to BNE.

Other diversions included

QF44 DPS-SYD diverted to CBR
UA863 SFO-SYD diverted to MEL, was suppose to ferry back to SYD but now going back to SFO from MEL
QF2001 TMW-SYD diverted to CBR
QF402 MEL-SYD diverted to CBR
QF2037 DBO-SYD returned to DBO
QF2161 PQQ-SYD returned to PQQ
QF2220 WGA-SYD diverted to CBR
ZL6953 ARM-SYD diverted to OAG
QF162 WLG-SYD diverted to CBR
QF2019 ARM-SYD returned to ARM
QF140 AKL-SYD diverted to BNE
QF1536 HBA-SYD diverted to CBR
ZL6454 GFF-SYD diverted to OAG
LA801 AKL-SYD diverted to CBR, outbound LA800 SYD-AKl has been cancelled

They don’t remove the movement cap in days like today do they? Shame would really help recovery!

zkncj · Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:33 am

qf789 wrote:
anstar wrote:
QF12 LAX-SYD and NZ247 WLG-SYD both diverted to BNE.

LA801 AKL-SYD diverted to CBR, outbound LA800 SYD-AKl has been cancelled

Looks like they ferried in back to SYD.

I'm surprised they didn't ferry it back to AKL empty, so at-least LA800 could operate SCL-AKL tonight.

a320fan · Sat Jun 03, 2023 5:55 am

Rex are quite heavily promoting their new SYD-ADL through the media, articles about it keep popping up in my Facebook feed despite living in neither city, but made me wonder where the SYD slots have come from for the route. Reductions in regional? Cuts to other 737 flights such as reduced frequencies on other routes or just timed during periods where there’s capacity to operate? I’ll be honest I don’t really know how the slot system works at SYD.

Deano969 · Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:54 am

Slots still available outside peak

bunumuring · Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:57 am

Hey guys,
Prediction….
Alan Joyce’s autobiography will be at the top of all a.netters’ wish lists one day….when? depending on how ‘tell all’ it is - those legal types do take a long time to wade through the stuff that needs to be ‘cleared’ before publication.
Maybe the ‘unauthorised’ biography will come out first?
Take care,
Bunumuring

redroo · Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:48 pm

qf789 wrote:
anstar wrote:
QF12 LAX-SYD and NZ247 WLG-SYD both diverted to BNE.

Other diversions included

QF44 DPS-SYD diverted to CBR
UA863 SFO-SYD diverted to MEL, was suppose to ferry back to SYD but now going back to SFO from MEL
QF2001 TMW-SYD diverted to CBR
QF402 MEL-SYD diverted to CBR
QF2037 DBO-SYD returned to DBO
QF2161 PQQ-SYD returned to PQQ
QF2220 WGA-SYD diverted to CBR
ZL6953 ARM-SYD diverted to OAG
QF162 WLG-SYD diverted to CBR
QF2019 ARM-SYD returned to ARM
QF140 AKL-SYD diverted to BNE
QF1536 HBA-SYD diverted to CBR
ZL6454 GFF-SYD diverted to OAG
LA801 AKL-SYD diverted to CBR, outbound LA800 SYD-AKl has been cancelled

Will western Sydney help with SYD weather events?

Assume so for fog.

But from memory of living in Sydney storms don’t selectively downpour over Mascot, so guessing, no.

ClassicLover · Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:02 pm

bunumuring wrote:
Prediction….
Alan Joyce’s autobiography will be at the top of all a.netters’ wish lists one day….when? depending on how ‘tell all’ it is - those legal types do take a long time to wade through the stuff that needs to be ‘cleared’ before publication.
Maybe the ‘unauthorised’ biography will come out first?

I'd be very, very interested to read a book written by him about his career. Not just Jetstar and Qantas either, but his time at Aer Lingus and so on as well. I think it would be a fascinating read, to see everything from his perspective.

There aren't too many books by airline CEOs though, but since he spent so long with Qantas, there would be demand there. The other book I'd be very happy to read would be one written by Michael O'Leary of Ryanair (though there is already one about him, not by him!).

F100Flyer · Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:12 pm

The AFR is reporting that up to an additional 21 weekly QR flights into Australia is on the horizon pending review of the quota by the Transport minister, spelling out specifically BNE, MEL, SYD.

https://www.afr.com/companies/transport ... 601-p5dd2d

qf2220 · Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:14 am

-ZNM on its way to MEL

https://fr24.com/QFA7879/3091888f

QF744ER · Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:20 am

Curious to know what was the logic in VA ‘upgrading’ -VBY and -VBZ to operate CNS-HND flights for a couple of months? I’m aware their 7M8’s are delayed but surely using their ex Silkair 738’s would’ve been a far more logical option.

The ex MI/SQ ones feature an identical internal configuration and cabin product to the incoming MAX’s, they have overhead raft bins for EDTO/ETOPS (although currently empty).

I haven’t looked deeper into the slot and arrival/departure times at HND, but if fuel was marginal there’s a plethora of Airports they could used for a quick fuel splash and dash at whilst enroute.

These planes could’ve then been used as ‘subs’ in the future if MAX’s when MAX’s go unserviceable.

VHOGU · Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:47 am

QF744ER wrote:
Curious to know what was the logic in VA ‘upgrading’ -VBY and -VBZ to operate CNS-HND flights for a couple of months? I’m aware their 7M8’s are delayed but surely using their ex Silkair 738’s would’ve been a far more logical option.

The ex MI/SQ ones feature an identical internal configuration and cabin product to the incoming MAX’s, they have overhead raft bins for EDTO/ETOPS (although currently empty).

I haven’t looked deeper into the slot and arrival/departure times at HND, but if fuel was marginal there’s a plethora of Airports they could used for a quick fuel splash and dash at whilst enroute.

These planes could’ve then been used as ‘subs’ in the future if MAX’s when MAX’s go unserviceable.

The 700’s will be capped at 70 pax and should be able to go direct mostly. 800’s wouldn’t make it. VBY and VBZ are ETOPS certified, however the KLM 700’s are not. VBY and VBZ have centreline stowage for rafts. I believe the only “upgrades” they got is rafts and a second ELT. VBY just came back from heavy maintenance and the only difference was new carpet. It still has the same seats. VBZ is in AUH getting heavy maintenance currently.

freshwater · Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:07 am

Just reading another a.net thread about overbooking in the US Domestic market which is still rife across all carriers and results in often ridiculous compensation payouts... why don't we see this phenomenon in Australia? If VA or QF were offering 4 digit cash payouts to take a slightly later flight on the golden triangle I wouldn't hesitate!

CostaDelSol90 · Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:45 am

QF744ER wrote:
Curious to know what was the logic in VA ‘upgrading’ -VBY and -VBZ to operate CNS-HND flights for a couple of months? I’m aware their 7M8’s are delayed but surely using their ex Silkair 738’s would’ve been a far more logical option.

The ex MI/SQ ones feature an identical internal configuration and cabin product to the incoming MAX’s, they have overhead raft bins for EDTO/ETOPS (although currently empty).

I haven’t looked deeper into the slot and arrival/departure times at HND, but if fuel was marginal there’s a plethora of Airports they could used for a quick fuel splash and dash at whilst enroute.

These planes could’ve then been used as ‘subs’ in the future if MAX’s when MAX’s go unserviceable.

Also just to confirm, VAA have many 800s already equipped with rafts and fully certified for EDTO. They wouldn’t need to use the ex silk air ones - in fact the ex silk air fleet are actually missing some of the extras VAA aircraft have as standard. The issue is the far superior range of the 700 compared to the 800. The 800 doesn’t have the legs.

Pcoder · Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:24 am

freshwater wrote:
Just reading another a.net thread about overbooking in the US Domestic market which is still rife across all carriers and results in often ridiculous compensation payouts... why don't we see this phenomenon in Australia? If VA or QF were offering 4 digit cash payouts to take a slightly later flight on the golden triangle I wouldn't hesitate!

Why I think why Australia's airlines are very loosely regulated could be summed up in two words; Chairman's lounge.

I think every member in the Federal parliament gets membership and I think a lot of these perks make a very cosy relationship between the airlines and the politicians that are supposed to regulate them.

Now the question has to be asked, would airlines be on a tighter leach if these perks didn't exist?

melpax · Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:02 am

Pcoder wrote:
freshwater wrote:
Just reading another a.net thread about overbooking in the US Domestic market which is still rife across all carriers and results in often ridiculous compensation payouts... why don't we see this phenomenon in Australia? If VA or QF were offering 4 digit cash payouts to take a slightly later flight on the golden triangle I wouldn't hesitate!

Why I think why Australia's airlines are very loosely regulated could be summed up in two words; Chairman's lounge.

I think every member in the Federal parliament gets membership and I think a lot of these perks make a very cosy relationship between the airlines and the politicians that are supposed to regulate them.

Now the question has to be asked, would airlines be on a tighter leach if these perks didn't exist?

Would be interesting to know if other large international airlines such as BA, AA & UA give out similar perks to politicians in the same manner as QF & the Chairman's Lounge.

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