Irish 6/23: Blue skies and big jets

ClassicLover · Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:22 am

Perhaps no surprise... Dublin and Cork airports set for the busiest summer since 2019.

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/dublin-and-cork-airports-set-for-busiest-summer-since-2019/a1237542767.html

I would have been surprised if that wasn't the case, really!

SQ22 · Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:21 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
The removal of the posts leads me to believe an announcement might be imminent.

The removal of the posts was because the first post on that subject was violating forum rules. Subsequently the posts referring to this post were removed as well.

AmricanShamrok · Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:33 pm

Shannon Airport records busiest day since 2016 over bank holiday weekend

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/0 ... r-numbers/

ClassicLover · Wed Jun 07, 2023 4:40 pm

SQ22 wrote:
ClassicLover wrote:
The removal of the posts leads me to believe an announcement might be imminent.

The removal of the posts was because the first post on that subject was violating forum rules. Subsequently the posts referring to this post were removed as well.

Oh I knew why the subsequent posts were removed, I was just surprised the first one was - though I know why, because my question literally was, what is the source and do you have a link? So fair enough all round. I wasn't complaining, but they were removed pretty quick, hence my suspicion

SQ22 · Wed Jun 07, 2023 5:14 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
Oh I knew why the subsequent posts were removed, I was just surprised the first one was - though I know why, because my question literally was, what is the source and do you have a link? So fair enough all round. I wasn't complaining, but they were removed pretty quick, hence my suspicion

Someone was quick in using the reporting function and I was only at this time, sometimes we are quick and sometimes it takes quite long.

shamrock350 · Wed Jun 07, 2023 5:23 pm

Considering how long it’s taking Aer Lingus to integrate into the Atlantic Joint Business, I really wouldn’t hold my breath for One World membership. The glaciers are actually melting quicker than Aer Lingus moves so even if there’s an announcement imminent (which I doubt) it’ll probably take them the best part of a decade to actually become a fully fledged member especially if it requires an IT overhaul.

ClassicLover · Wed Jun 07, 2023 5:27 pm

shamrock350 wrote:
Considering how long it’s taking Aer Lingus to integrate into the Atlantic Joint Business, I really wouldn’t hold my breath for One World membership. The glaciers are actually melting quicker than Aer Lingus moves so even if there’s an announcement imminent (which I doubt) it’ll probably take them the best part of a decade to actually become a fully fledged member especially if it requires an IT overhaul.

Well, according to this press release from BA - https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/pressrelease/details/13601 - EI have been part of it since 2021. I wonder if some of the things are systems related delays or if some are the existing JetBlue and United partnerships.... there could be more to come once they naturally end.

IrishTexan · Wed Jun 07, 2023 6:36 pm

Does EI plan to install Premium Economy seats for transatlantic flights? Could the lack of PE seats be delaying integration?

Galwayman · Wed Jun 07, 2023 10:01 pm

As soon as EI is fully integrated into the joint venture scam watch all those cheap business fares ex Ireland dissappear pretty quick .... going be a nightmare, worst thing to happen to Irish travellers in decades

ClassicLover · Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:59 am

IrishTexan wrote:
Does EI plan to install Premium Economy seats for transatlantic flights? Could the lack of PE seats be delaying integration?

I haven't heard anything about that.

Galwayman wrote:
As soon as EI is fully integrated into the joint venture scam watch all those cheap business fares ex Ireland dissappear pretty quick .... going be a nightmare, worst thing to happen to Irish travellers in decades

Most of those cheap business class fares are on BA and the other JV partners, not EI. At one point all the cheap fares across the Atlantic in business class were out of other cities in Europe and not Dublin. It varies and changes... I've seen them out of Paris, Stockholm, all sorts of places. It's nice when it's Dublin as it's very handy for those of us who live here! Either way, I think your concern is misplaced, partly because for most of the last 20 years or so, Dublin has been one of the most expensive cities to get business class tickets - it's only been relatively recently it's been keenly priced.

Eirules · Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:54 am

I was looking for flights for a new years break (28/29 Dec-2/3 Jan) and noticed AGP is operated by A320s & FAO doesn’t even operate on the dates I looked at. Just wondering are the A330s usually on those routes going elsewhere or just getting some downtime?

JAmie2k9 · Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:01 am

Eirules wrote:
I was looking for flights for a new years break (28/29 Dec-2/3 Jan) and noticed AGP is operated by A320s & FAO doesn’t even operate on the dates I looked at. Just wondering are the A330s usually on those routes going elsewhere or just getting some downtime?

Apr-Oct they operate A330s, typically daily May-Sep and varies slightly Apr/Oct. AGP will have them more than FAO during those 2 months but depends on demand.

Jake801 · Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:07 am

Eirules wrote:
I was looking for flights for a new years break (28/29 Dec-2/3 Jan) and noticed AGP is operated by A320s & FAO doesn’t even operate on the dates I looked at. Just wondering are the A330s usually on those routes going elsewhere or just getting some downtime?

Also AGP is very low demand in Dec/Jan, I think it gets relatively cold there so often see massive drop off in capacity for those few weeks.

Clydenairways · Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:16 am

Does EI really not fly to Bologna anymore? I cant see it on their website.

PhilipBass · Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:29 am

Ryanair complaining about DAA again: https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryan ... ?market=ie
I don't think the Golfers would like their driving range turned in to a car park.

JAmie2k9 · Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:17 am

Clydenairways wrote:
Does EI really not fly to Bologna anymore? I cant see it on their website.

Not this year with the fleet still down a few aircraft.

Eirules · Fri Jun 09, 2023 11:33 am

Clydenairways wrote:
Does EI really not fly to Bologna anymore? I cant see it on their website.

Ryanair still fly to Bologna. Alternatively fly Aer Lingus to Verona and hop the train over to Bologna, it’s a short journey and you’d get to take in 2 beautiful places

OA260 · Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:03 pm

PhilipBass wrote:
Ryanair complaining about DAA again: https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryan ... ?market=ie
I don't think the Golfers would like their driving range turned in to a car park.

Only in Ireland ! Do other major hubs have these childish issues .

PhilipBass · Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:18 pm

this is behind paywall but they do appear to have leased land as a driving range.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/airp ... c0hswspzzw

and it is considerably more convenient to the airport than quickpark at less than 900 metres away rather than 2km away.

I still expect that if DAA do buy quickpark the people they are paying 70 million to or people like them will build something like this and go in to competition for parking.
https://www.parkhausplatzhirsch.de/

YUAND · Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:09 pm

OA260 wrote:
PhilipBass wrote:
Ryanair complaining about DAA again: https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryan ... ?market=ie
I don't think the Golfers would like their driving range turned in to a car park.

Only in Ireland ! Do other major hubs have these childish issues .

I have to say whilst MOL has his ways which I don’t agree with, the DAA reeks of Irish semi-state company incompetence, lack of imagination and ambition. The car park issue is a farce, security last summer was a big issue, lounges are poor and the increasingly big issue of stand capacity is a growing elephant in the room.

I think if he focused on presenting the point that private airport operators should be brought in and did so in a more professional manner, we would get somewhere.

PhilipBass · Fri Jun 09, 2023 1:36 pm

A private airport operater would run rings around the Irish Government and Minister for Transport so bad and all as DAA certainly are they are better than being subjected to FRAPort or Heathrow type Professionals.

YUAND · Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:16 pm

PhilipBass wrote:
A private airport operater would run rings around the Irish Government and Minister for Transport so bad and all as DAA certainly are they are better than being subjected to FRAPort or Heathrow type Professionals.

Is that a bad thing? ER is a pretty useless transport minister and I wouldn’t exactly describe the government as helpful either. I’d like to know in what context you think they would run rings around them.

PhilipBass · Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:27 pm

it is a great thing if you own shares in those Airport operators.

PhilipBass · Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:28 pm

https://twitter.com/i/status/1667131883610570754

Ryanair playing hardball on charges but what is very interesting is how willing they are to move 737Max around the network to maximise profit/minimise loss during low season.

JAmie2k9 · Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:53 pm

The initial slot reports are out. Cant see it happening or a mistake but Easyjet (Europe) have slots for an undisclosed route at DUB. Looks very low freq.

Also Pegasus are mentioned.

Eirules · Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:30 pm

JAmie2k9 wrote:
The initial slot reports are out. Cant see it happening or a mistake but Easyjet (Europe) have slots for an undisclosed route at DUB. Looks very low freq.

Also Pegasus are mentioned.

I’d be shocked if they took on Ryanair in their own back yard

OA260 · Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:23 pm

Wouldn't surprise me if Easyjet Europe were launching an unserved bucket and spade route that no one currently serves !

EIDL · Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:27 pm

Fingal will not give planning for more parking - it doesn't matter what MOL says to get himself the media coverage he seems to need to live, what's there is all there will be.

nickya340 · Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:29 pm

OA260 wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me if Easyjet Europe were launching an unserved bucket and spade route that no one currently serves !

Can’t link of any Ez bases that are unserved, they’ve got a LYS base that might do well from DUB as its only EI on the route

Clydenairways · Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:30 pm

The big problem is that the DAA is so dependent on car park revenue, that they have always treated public transport with the minimum level of support they could get away with. They have facilitated to create an airport that is so car dependent.
Even though they have not objected to metro, rail, or any of the other initiatives over the years, they have never really lobbied or been vocal for better public transport links to the airport.
Even the current central bus area is a total joke. Totally exposed to the elements and no facilities for passengers to wait comfortable for coach connections. Dublin Airport sound be a total transport hub.

neutral · Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:48 pm

PhilipBass wrote:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1667131883610570754

Ryanair playing hardball on charges but what is very interesting is how willing they are to move 737Max around the network to maximise profit/minimise loss during low season.

Pre covid the yield per passenger from Dublin was the best on all their bases and twice the Stansted yield so if there's passengers willing to fly from Dublin Ryanair will oblige and not let other airlines gain any market share.

neutral · Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:10 pm

JAmie2k9 wrote:
The initial slot reports are out. Cant see it happening or a mistake but Easyjet (Europe) have slots for an undisclosed route at DUB. Looks very low freq.

Also Pegasus are mentioned.

Looks like Hainan to Pek 3 weekly applied for too

planemanofnz · Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:00 am

FR rules out US flights, again.

... will Ryanair finally fly to the US? “No,” says its CEO Eddie Wilson.

“What really pays for transatlantic are the 24 people up front and the cargo,” Wilson says.

https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/ ... 45054.html

Regardless, hopefully we'll see some more competition on these routes, like B6.

Galwayman · Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:30 am

Pegasus at Dublin would be a fantastic addition, fingers crossed ....

ClassicLover · Sat Jun 10, 2023 1:21 pm

planemanofnz wrote:
FR rules out US flights, again..

It's funny how they keep being asked about it.

Ryanair are phenomenally successful exactly because they don't chop and change and try new things. What they do works very well and they should stay in their lane and continue doing just that. The clarity of that is good for both the staff and passengers alike. As mentioned in the article, he says that doing the same thing all the time is "boring"... but it makes money and works, so it is what it is.

Many airlines have failed because the executives have found success and then decided to think they knew everything about everything, changed tack and then the business failed. Ryanair do well because they stick to what they know and don't deviate from the successful formula.

IrishLessor · Sat Jun 10, 2023 2:42 pm

easyJet slots mentioned above for Dublin; while it would surprise me if they entered the market, there would be nothing stopping them launching a Dublin to Geneva or Paris CDG route, these would be outside of Ryanair's current network... I'm sure CDG could sustain a daily or two daily rotation.

OA260 · Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:37 pm

Looks like TUI are going to ramp up their charter flights from Ireland for Summer 2024.

EIDWDUB · Sat Jun 10, 2023 3:54 pm

IrishLessor wrote:
easyJet slots mentioned above for Dublin; while it would surprise me if they entered the market, there would be nothing stopping them launching a Dublin to Geneva or Paris CDG route, these would be outside of Ryanair's current network... I'm sure CDG could sustain a daily or two daily rotation.

Watching Ryanair's Twitter might be interesting if easyJet start ops out of Dublin.

EIDWDUB · Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:14 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
FR rules out US flights, again..

It's funny how they keep being asked about it.

Ryanair are phenomenally successful exactly because they don't chop and change and try new things. What they do works very well and they should stay in their lane and continue doing just that. The clarity of that is good for both the staff and passengers alike. As mentioned in the article, he says that doing the same thing all the time is "boring"... but it makes money and works, so it is what it is.

Many airlines have failed because the executives have found success and then decided to think they knew everything about everything, changed tack and then the business failed. Ryanair do well because they stick to what they know and don't deviate from the successful formula.

Yeah I don't believe it's something we'll ever see. For it to work for them they would need to operate it like Cebu Pacific or Scoot into some sort of secondary airport like Orlando Sanford or LaGuardia (which I don't think can even take a 330 or 787). It's something that's best left alone.

EIDL · Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:30 pm

La Guardia has a perimeter restriction, and absolutely isn't secondary in the LCC concept of secondary anyway.

Stewart SWF, Islip, Westchester HPN and a few others are the LCC secondaries for NYC.

RRTrent · Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:38 pm

EIDWDUB wrote:
Yeah I don't believe it's something we'll ever see. For it to work for them they would need to operate it like Cebu Pacific or Scoot into some sort of secondary airport like Orlando Sanford or LaGuardia (which I don't think can even take a 330 or 787). It's something that's best left alone.

Even if they did operate to the US, LGA has a range restriction of 1500nm so that’s out of the question anyway! The only exceptions to the range restriction are flights to DEN and flights on Saturdays. Eitherway, it’s not gonna happen.

EIDWDUB · Sat Jun 10, 2023 4:44 pm

EIDL wrote:
La Guardia has a perimeter restriction, and absolutely isn't secondary in the LCC concept of secondary anyway.

Stewart SWF, Islip, Westchester HPN and a few others are the LCC secondaries for NYC.

Tbh I'm not overly up on US airport outside of the main ones. I only know Sanford as Aviajet used to run charters to it from Dublin about 15 years ago.

Anymore info on when GEY is back from Bordeaux and what routes it'll operate ?

styles9002 · Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:16 pm

EIDL wrote:
La Guardia has a perimeter restriction, and absolutely isn't secondary in the LCC concept of secondary anyway.

Stewart SWF, Islip, Westchester HPN and a few others are the LCC secondaries for NYC.

LOL, HPN is the farthest thing from a LCC secondary airport in the US...

Eirules · Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:27 pm

Even IF Ryanair decided to serve the US, they’ll end up in some secondary airport like Stewart, you’ll pay for everything and sit in a hard cramped seat for 7hrs odd looking at the escape plan stuck to the seat in front of you. At the same time you regularly see sub €300 fares ex DUB with established carriers with IFE, food etc. It makes zero sense from a Ryanair or passenger perspective

timedoko · Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:39 pm

I mean if they ever opened a base in the Azores they may very well try one of the New York satellite airports but don't count on it succeeding !

planemanofnz · Sat Jun 10, 2023 10:58 pm

EIDWDUB wrote:
ClassicLover wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
FR rules out US flights, again..

It's funny how they keep being asked about it.

Ryanair are phenomenally successful exactly because they don't chop and change and try new things. What they do works very well and they should stay in their lane and continue doing just that. The clarity of that is good for both the staff and passengers alike. As mentioned in the article, he says that doing the same thing all the time is "boring"... but it makes money and works, so it is what it is.

Many airlines have failed because the executives have found success and then decided to think they knew everything about everything, changed tack and then the business failed. Ryanair do well because they stick to what they know and don't deviate from the successful formula.

Yeah I don't believe it's something we'll ever see. For it to work for them they would need to operate it like Cebu Pacific or Scoot into some sort of secondary airport like Orlando Sanford or LaGuardia (which I don't think can even take a 330 or 787). It's something that's best left alone.

I wonder about going eastwards - would the same issues be a barrier? Could we eventually see FR at places like DXB or AUH? Maybe not from DUB/Ireland though.

Eirules · Sat Jun 10, 2023 11:13 pm

Well they’re already flying to AMM (obviously not from DUB) so it’s not inconceivable but I doubt they’ll want to follow the ridiculous Wizz model

BrianDromey · Sun Jun 11, 2023 12:17 am

If they really wanted to FR could have operated to North America from KEF. That would need connections and all the things FR doesn’t do. The Canaries or <5 hours flyings is about the limit of the model I think. Aircraft utilisation goes down, crews can’t “out and back” and ancillary revenues suffer as sectors decrease. I’m sure seat comfort and IFE and meals do play a part, but I think the cost and supply side of the ULCC model is the problem. Not the demand for super cheap fares.

OA260 · Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:48 am

Msgr James Horan: The ‘madman’ with a dream who got Knock airport off the ground

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-style/t ... he-ground/

Ireland West on course for its busiest ever year .

PhilipBass · Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:10 am

BrianDromey wrote:
If they really wanted to FR could have operated to North America from KEF. That would need connections and all the things FR doesn’t do. The Canaries or <5 hours flyings is about the limit of the model I think. Aircraft utilisation goes down, crews can’t “out and back” and ancillary revenues suffer as sectors decrease. I’m sure seat comfort and IFE and meals do play a part, but I think the cost and supply side of the ULCC model is the problem. Not the demand for super cheap fares.

to get to New York and back in a shift you would need a plane which does about 1300kmph.
Ryanair might do transatlantic by getting someone as far as Iceland and leaving the passengers to find their way from there.

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