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Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance"

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:02 am
by 747-451
What exactly is this "alliance" everyone is talking about since all I see is just codeshares? Is there anything more to this, like sharing mx bases, gate shuffling, financial covenants or what...

747-451


RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance"

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:34 am
by jtamu97
Sounds like just a bunch of Codeshares to me from what I heard. All I know for sure is if the "official" announcement is made, the frequent flyer miles from one airline can be used on the others which is no big deal.

Jay

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance"

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:24 am
by akelley728
From what I know it will similar to the current CO/NW deal - reciprocating lounge access, FF privileges (you will be able to redeem/earn miles on all segments), interline e-tickets, etc.

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance&quo

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 11:21 am
by delta-flyer
the frequent flyer miles from one airline can be used on the others which is no big deal.

....maybe not for you, but it is a "big deal" for me. My trips to Asia on NW will now count for DL skymiles, making it easy to reach platinum!

Pete

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance"

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2002 12:47 pm
by ATL2CDG
Great. That's all we need. Another arrogant platinum. Now these frequent flyers will be able to spread their inconsiderateness and blantant disregard for rules over three companies, just not one.

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance"

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:23 am
by A330_DTW
With the alliance, schedules can be coordinated, more routes will be opened up for more customers. It will really help those in smaller, under-served cities, too.

If, for instance, you wanted to fly from Winnipeg, Manitoba to Augusta, Georgia, you'd have to buy one ticket on Northwest from Winnipeg to Atlanta and a separate ticket on Delta from Atlanta to Augusta. Or Winnipeg to Minneapolis on NW and Minneapolis to Augusta on Delta. Either way, you have to use two airlines where no through-fare exists.

With the CO/DL/NW alliance, one person can buy one ticket using the two airlines but getting a through-fare.

Delta is already planning on moving from the LC Smith terminal at DTW into the Edward H. McNamara/Northwest WorldGateway terminal. They will probably occupy half of the North end of ticketing positions.

The C concourse is being expanded as well as B to make way for their move, also. NW, CO, DL, LH will be at WorldGateway.

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance"

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:10 am
by azo
Is BA going to move to the new terminal?

Delta will be taking up a lot of space there. Don't they have more flights than CO? Be nice to see those 767's over there Smile

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance"

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:20 am
by 0A340
Regarding mile accrual: There is a fine line which will make the real difference: Will these miles count as BASE miles? This is critical to those interested in maintaining Elite status. If not, then it will be no more different than the similar deal DL had with UA.

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance&quo

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:31 am
by caetravlr
ATL2CDG -

What is your problem with elite FFs? I know that a very few of them feel like they should be waited on hand and foot, but I think the vast majority of them are your better passengers. Its these elite FFs that you don't like so much that the airlines desperately need to get revenue back. I see that you fly for ASA, which is merely a tool for connecting pax from smaller cities on the higher revenue mainline flights. I actually have enjoyed my flights on Comair and ASA as well as mainline. However, I am not sure I would ever want to be on one of your flights. I prefer the F/As that enjoy their job and appreciate a pleasant passenger, which I always am. I am an elite FF on UAL and DL, and always stow my own bags, sit down and fasten my seatbelt, turn off electronics... etc etc...

I hope that your attitude is not becoming pervasive throughout the entire Delta system. If it is, it will only contribute to the problems the airline industry is already having.

Ok, back on the real topic. If they make it an "alliance" deal, which I think requires more approvals than a simple code share, then you will be able to get base miles in your FF account, no matter which of the partner carriers you fly. However the govt of the US, and I think the European Union will still be required to review it. Thats what I remember from the UAL/US deal.

Anyway, I hope it is a good thing for the economics of the industry!

CAETravlr

CAETravlr

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:15 am
by ATL2CDG
CAETravlr,

I must apologize for my words last night. I had just returned from a very long day and I was in less than a pleasant mood.

I agree that FF are the bread and butter of revenue at major carriers. However, in my personal experience, I've had several encounters with various passengers that led to he/she saying "I'm a Medallion member. You must 'do such and such.'" or "I don't have to do that, I'm a frequent flyer." In my opinion, such behavior is intolerable under any circumstances.

Also, while I greatly enjoy my work, I am disillusioned on a daily basis by the attitudes of many of today's travelers. For example, during the beverage service, people rarely make eye contact with me as I attempt to serve them - 'thank yous' are the exception - no longer the ruler. During my announcements, men in $2000 suits raise their voice to continue their conversation rather than either listen, or quiet themselves so that others may listen. The minute the airplane touches the ground, seat belts come flying off and cell phones are brandished, even though I instruct them to do otherwise. My job exists for a reason, and I've had many people tell me I do it well - so imagine my frustration when a good number of people of a particular group (in this case, FF) act contrary expectations. I'm not saying that I want people to jump when I snap my fingers, but I expect at least compliance with the law and simple civility.

Again, I reiterate that I'm not grouping ALL FF into this "masse de merde," but just as it is human for one to oversimplify a situation, it is just as easy to overclassify.

For those of you who lend me your attention when asked, smile when I serve and stay buckled up until the light is off, this tirade was not for you.

Tyson

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance&quo

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:40 pm
by ORD Boy 2
wasnt nwa, co, klm, and malev (air europa too?) gonna join skyteam cause of this deal?????????

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance"

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:20 pm
by Guest
Not sure if Malev will join since Aeroflot is joining in 2003.

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance"

Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:43 pm
by caetravlr
ATL2CDG,

I can understand your frustrations as well. Actually, it is the people who unbuckle their seatbelts before the captain has turned off the fasten seatbelt sign who annoy me the most. When I was engaged to an F/A I heard many stories, both good and bad, of things passengers had done. When they do not comply with your announcements, and FAA regulations, then there is definitely a problem, I agree.

I know it is the pax who break the rules and the ones who are rude and inattentive who stand out the most, but I certainly hope they are more the exception than the rule.

CAETravlr

P.S. - For everyone else, I apologize for this departure from the topic, but I felt compelled to respond.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy These additions to the Skyteam alliance would certainly be beneficial to those of us flying from the Southeast.

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance"

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 1:27 am
by azjubilee
FYI - The B and C concourses in DTW aren't being expanded for DL - they're being expanded for NW. These expansion plans were in the original terminal project plans from the start and this is phase II. I can't imagine DL taking over half the ticket counters - maybe 2 or 3 but not half of al those created for NW. I am all for this alliance because it will benefit customers the most, but I am leary as to how this might affect the Airlink carriers.


AZJ

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance"

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 2:20 am
by ORD Boy 2
What happens to the United/Delta frequent flyer agreement?

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance&quo

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 5:23 am
by deltairlines
The UA/DL deal is most likely going out the wayside, now that US/UA have a deal and US and DL are arch-rivals. Anything could happen though...

Jeff

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance&quo

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 6:05 am
by strickerje
Great. That's all we need. Another arrogant platinum. Now these frequent flyers will be able to spread their inconsiderateness and blantant disregard for rules over three companies, just not one.

Dude, chill out! That isn't what he said at all! I have heard of very few high-ranking frequent flyers that act this way, and I see nothing in the previous post to suggest that he would act this way. Take a moment to think about how ridiculous a comment sounds before posting it.

-Jeffrey

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance&quo

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 6:16 am
by strickerje
ATL2CDG - Sorry, I didn't see your message a few posts later. Just ignore my previous statement.

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance"

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 7:41 am
by triley1057
So what is up with this alliance? I haven't heard much about it lately. Is it still pending government approval? What are the chances of it getting approved? Will NW/KL/CO end up in Skyteam? I thought that Gordon Bethune was against alliances.

RE: Delta/Continental/Northwest "Alliance&quo

Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 11:46 am
by delta-flyer
Great. That's all we need. Another arrogant platinum.

My next flight on ASA is Tuesday morning, flight 4520, JAN-ATL. I hope you're not on it!  Angry

Pete