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TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 7:04 am
by BeechStarship
I heard that MD had a factory in China that made MD-83s from kits, and some of them (5 I think) ended up with TWA. Is American still flying these airframes they inherited from TWA or are they grounded?

I wonder what the passengers would say if they knew they were on an aircraft made in China!  Smile

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 7:16 am
by B747-437B
I flew one of these aircraft in February from STL-SGF and even to my experienced eye, there were absolutely no distinguishable features that this plane was made in China.

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 7:41 am
by mf3864
Wow, I thought those were built in China for use by some of the regional Chinese airlines.

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 8:24 am
by CV990A
I actually think Spirit has several now. Don't know how they got them though.

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 8:47 am
by TWAMD-80
As far as I know TWA/ American still have most of their MD-80's that were made in China. Although I'm not sure on the exact number that they still have.

TW

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 8:47 am
by United_fan
Don't they have 4 wheel main bogies ? I thought they only made like 3 .

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 9:10 am
by BeechStarship
They supposedly made more than 30 of them..they were intended to go to local Chinese airlines. But the venture wasn't successful...Boeing cancelled the program when it bought MDD claiming it cost MDD 4X as much to build them in China as in Long Beach! How could that be true? Maybe the Chinese took too long to build each airliner. Anyhow, Boeing ended up with 5 or so leftovers that the Chinese hadn't taken up, and sold them (at a steep discount I'm sure) to TWA.

I'd really like to know if there was anything to distinguish them...like the 4 wheel main bogeys.

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 9:22 am
by TWAMD-80
Eh as far as how to distinguish them, I don't think there is really any difference between these airplanes and the ones built in the U.S. You could probably find out by looking on maybe the registration certificate or one of the other certificates in the front of the plane- it might list where the airplane was built. Though I'm not too sure about whether or not it's listed there.

TW

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 9:55 am
by BR715-A1-30
Does anyone have any pictures of the aircraft with 4 main-wheel bogies

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:18 am
by trnswrld
Well obviously TWA never got any of the 4 wheel boggied ones. However, I did also here about them building some like that to be able to withstand the not so great airport surfaces. I have yet top ever see a picture of an MD-80 with the 4 wheel main bogeys. If anyone knows of a better resource or link to pictures please post.
Thanks

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:19 am
by md80spirit
Spirit has one that I know for sure A/C nk824

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:36 am
by B747-437B
The Chinese manufactured MDs are currently in service as given below.

China Eastern (B-2127, B-2129, B-2131)
China Northern (B-2108, B-2121, B-2122, B-2126, B-2128, B-2130, B-2132, B-2134, B-2136, B-2139, B-2140, B-2142, B-2143, B-2145, B-2151)
Spanair (EC-HFS, EC-HFT, EC-HGJ, EC-HHF, EC-HHP, EC-HJB)
Spirit Airlines (N808NK, N809NK, N815NK, N821NK)
American Airlines (N9401W, N9402W, N9403W, N9404V, N9405T)

B-2138 and B-2141 were written off by China Northern

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:38 am
by United_fan
According to 'Comet to Concorde' , Mc DD was involved Shanghai Aviation Industrial Corp in China to make the MD-90-T,which was similar to the basic airframe but w/double boggy maingear. Only 2 were made in Shanghai.
It doesn't say who they went to.

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:41 am
by B747-437B
Only 2 were made in Shanghai. It doesn't say who they went to.

China Northern has them as B-2100 and B-2103 respectively.

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 2:46 pm
by carnoc
Personally, I don't see much differences between western-made jets and the aircrafts where made in countries like China etc as long as they passed all safety checks, exams and so on. Who cares where the aircrafts made, many parts of Boeing and Airbus jets are now making in China and other developing nations. Does this mean that you will never fly on the jets with some parts made in these countries?

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 3:24 pm
by acidradio
I can think of many worse places in the world to build a plane than China! Of anything, I don't have any trouble with any of the Chinese-made goods that I encounter  Smile

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 9:22 pm
by Krushny
Spanair (EC-HFS, EC-HFT, EC-HGJ, EC-HHF, EC-HHP, EC-HJB)

So some of the Spanair MD-80's that fly over my terrace on approach to VLC were actually made in China!! Interesting...

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 3:28 am
by Spaceman
Stop being racist. There is absolutely no reasons why the aircrafts made in China not as safe as a plane made in US. I'm sure planes made in China came under same stringent regulation as the ones made in the US.

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 4:44 am
by BeechStarship
For the record, I was not being racist about the planes. I'm certain MDD made sure that each frame was built properly and I would fly on one without any qualms (and probably have!). It's not a big deal to me, just a curiosity.

My comment on passengers not knowing they were flying a Chinese airliner is because I could just picture my grandfather getting worked up over it if he found out. I was flying with him when we got on an American Airlines Airbus A300. He says "what the h*ll is an Airbus!" when he took out the safety card. I told him it was European and he was quite upset that "American" Airlines didn't fly American airliners. He actually placed a call to complain afterward!

He was a WWII pilot and is quite "patriotic". He had a fit when I bought a Honda Accord until I proved to him it was almost 100% American made and that his Chrysler Cirrus was made in Mexico with a Japanese engine. So much for being patriotic.

I did not mean to offend.

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 6:06 am
by ndoduc
Bonsoir !
The reference "Bill Harms" site gives all ( the usual ) details about these planes , eg. :
49515 1609 MD-82(SA) JT8D-217A 12/12/89 CHINA EASTERN AIRLINES (GECA) B-2131 [BUILT IN CHINA (LINE NO. 16)]
49502 1300 MD-82(SA) JT8D-217A 07/07/87 CHINA NORTHERN AIRLINES B-2108 BUILT IN CHINA (....)
BTW , they're listed as MD-82 and not MD-83
--nh
DoDuc

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 7:19 am
by B747-437B
Totally there were 48 aircraft supposed to be produced in China. Kits 1 through 28 were MD82s, kits 29-43 were MD83s except kits 34 and 35 which were also MD82s. There were also supposed to be 5 MD-90Ts produced. Of these, kits 36-43 were never built, nor were the final 3 MD-90Ts. Total production run was 37 aircraft which consisted of 30 MD82s and 5 MD83s, plus the 2 MD-90Ts.

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 11:42 am
by IMissPiedmont
Just to add one thing, none of the SAIC aircraft have the 4 wheel bogies.

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2002 6:55 pm
by will
Thank you B747-437B for your most informative posts! I have been curious about this for quite sometime and had been unable to find the data.I would venture to guess that most AA staff are unaware these ships are in their fleet.

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 4:24 am
by B747-437B
none of the SAIC aircraft have the 4 wheel bogies

I'm not positive about this, but I believe that B-2151 was briefly fitted with a 4-wheel bogie as a testbed for the MD-90T program. It reverted to the conventional undercarriage after that though.

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 9:50 am
by BR715-A1-30
Pictures Pictures... Does anyone have any pictures of these 4-wheeled bogies

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 11:47 am
by trex8
There were no production aircraft with 4 wheel bogies.

Whats funny is that the Chinese are always trying to play the Americans off against the Europeans by tempting one side with orders for Boeing or Airbus etc.Some fun things occasionally pop up. On one visit by a Chinese trade delegation to the US when MDC still existed, the MDC execs were asked why MDC didn't use Chinese suppliers. This shortly after the delegation had been in Seattle and secured some contracts from Boeing as part of the quid pro quo for a big Boeing order. The Chinese trade folks had no clue SAIC was assembling MD80s back home! There was a total disconnect between the Foreign Ministry, trade and industrial arms of the PRC govt!

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 4:42 am
by BeechStarship
Wow...only two MD90Ts ever made! Who ended up with them? Regs?

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 4:48 am
by B747-437B
Wow...only two MD90Ts ever made! Who ended up with them? Regs?

I gave this information just a few posts up.

China Northern has them as B-2100 and B-2103.

RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 6:17 am
by BeechStarship
Sorry, my bad. I got too excited and jumped ahead without reading.  Smile

I searched for pictures of them and nothing came up except for B-2103, which someone attributed to China Eastern MD-83...and it supposedly crashed! Mistaken reg on his part?


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RE: TWA/American Still Flying Chinese Made MD-83s?

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 6:26 am
by B747-437B
B-2103 was originally a China Eastern MD-82 (49355/1224) built in 1985 and written off in 1993 at Fuzhou.

The same registration was then recycled for the second MD-90T (60002/4002) which came off the line in 2000.