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DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 3:47 pm

I was looking on delta.com on inteneries from MCI-GSO for this Thursday and Saturday. I might have a job interview on Friday in Greensboro so I was wanting to get an idea of flights and cost to give the company when I call them back.

To my surprise, all four legs of the journey has three holers scheduled on them

Here is what I am looking at

DL 1638, MCI-CVG
DL 2003, CVG-GSO

DL 831, GSO-ATL
DL 1801, ATL-MCI

I thought they were trying to get rid of the 27s as part of the cost reduction strategy. If it had been ATL layovers there and back I wouldn't have been as surprised but ATL and CVG and all four segment, not one, not two....but all four.
 
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 4:32 pm

Hey, consider yourself lucky and enjoy your flights!
 
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 4:36 pm

I was in Hartsfield at the weekend and saw quite a few of them knocking about. Even saw a couple taking off, with quite a lot of smoke  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.

Take your chance to fly them while you can!

cheers, Phil.
 
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 4:39 pm

Yeah, they still use the beautiful ladies on all but one of the daily MEM-ATL flights - I'm flying on one in January and I'm extremely excited! As you can probably tell, I love them  Smile
 
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 4:50 pm

saw one at SYR last Tuesday in the old-new livery
 
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Tue Dec 03, 2002 10:15 pm

We stilll get 3 daily from ATL 1 via SYR. That's until 3-31. Then it'll be MD88's and CRJ700's . I got to get on one again!
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 5:31 am

We still have almost 30 727 in the fleet. Every month a few more get retired.
 
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 5:33 am

I'm so glad DL has not shelved them all.
 
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 8:32 am

Trust me, I am not complaining about riding on 727s, possibly for the last time. In fact I am jumping at the opportunity to feel the rocket like power again. The way those leap off the runway, its great.
At the same time, I would like to see DL in business, and I know those old birds cost some bucks to fly, that is why I asked.
 
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:24 am

Rocket-like power? You mean a rocket with the engine turned off, right?  Smile

Can't say I've ever had a 727 takeoff that I could describe like that, certainly compared with more modern aircraft like the A319/320 and 757. The takeoff roll on the 727 seems to take forever, gradually building up speed and then gently lifting off the ground - often wondered if the runway would be long enough!  Smile

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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:55 am

To all:

DL has used 722's for BUF-ATL as far back as I call recall DL providing service here. It was a rare occasion indeed when other equipment was substituted.
However, all things must pass...today I saw an MD88 making the approach to BUF. Is this the harbinger of things to come? Dare I hope for DL 738 service?

There seem to be some folks waxing nostalgic here for the 722. Sorry, but I won't miss them. They are loud, tatty and not particularly comfortable. In the late 1960's they were cool; as a teen I can remember flying in Eastern, United and Allegheny 722's. AA still provided 707 service from BUF-ORD then.
Enough is enough, though. Airtran's 717's are very nice and come with nice fares from BUF-ATL.

How about it, Leo? Something a little newer for BUF?

Regards,

F4N
 
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 9:56 am

On the topic of takeoff in a 727. . .

I flew through MDW a few times just a couple years ago on some ATA 727s. I loved it. No matter what runway we lined up for, we would sit at the end of it and apply full brakes while all three engines were powered up, way up. I couldn't help but think of all those people just on the outside of the airport perimeter fence that had to most definately hold their ears closed! Anyway, when the engines were screaming, the brakes would suddenly release and we would all be pressed into our seats! Now that's a takeoff.

Now, when I fly through MDW on ATA, those 737-800s just roll onto the runway and apply the thrust and away we go, with lots more power, less exhaust, and a lot less noise.

Love those 727s,
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 3:58 pm

One of the most spectacular takeoffs I have ever been on was on a 727. A Delta flight between OKC and Tulsa. We had 40 pax onboard and most of the fuel was burnt off from SLC. We got off in 3000ft and climbed at least 4000 feet per minute. Most takeoffs in the 727 seem to drag on forever, especially in SLC during the summer. Sometimes it feels like you are going to drive to your destination.
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 4:15 pm

Great to hear, great bird. We will miss the Boeing 727-200 when they finally retire from cargo op. The next DC-3?

One reason DL may still be flying the 727's, crew and customers like'em (mostly due to familiarity,) cheap parts are available - airframe and engines, they are paid for and owned, carry approx. 148 pax-good cost/benefit, and reliable no surprises... just like Delta Air Lines.

Good choice Mr. Mullin.
 
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 10:17 pm

I remember my last 727 flight,in August ROC-ATL on DL1203. It was 80 degrees and that 727 was full! I swear it used up all 8,001 ft of ROC's rw 4. Then when we landed in ATL we must have been told to hold short of another r/w because we did some serious reverse thrusting!
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Wed Dec 04, 2002 10:54 pm

It's going to be sad when the 727's leave DL's fleet fairly soon.

Between the noisy engines and the high fuel burn (a 727-200 is 35% less fuel efficient than a 737-800), they will likely be completely gone from passenger service by at latest the end of 2005, since starting in 2006 the new ICAO Stage IV noise emission rules will finally consign them to history.  Sad
 
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RE: DL Still Using The 727 A Lot?

Thu Dec 05, 2002 3:54 am

The 727's are dragging during takeoff because it does not burn as much fuel. That was what I was told by a 727 pilot. The steeper the climb, the more fuel burned, which means extra fuel for the plane and a loss in money. I have seen the 727 takeoff in a very steep position one time. Literally, it looked like the plane was going straight up, just like one of NASA's space shuttles. I could not believe it myself until I saw it and I am sure it was burning a lot of fuel doing something like that.

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