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airsnaps
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sat Dec 21, 2002 11:14 am

Hi all!

I'm not really that impressed.

Just been comparing the old and new livery on the same aircraft...


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KLM could have done much better in this day and age. Maybe it will grow on me!

All the best,

Paul.
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TonyBurr
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sat Dec 21, 2002 1:07 pm

The larger blue stirpe (old) is much better.
 
westjet_8
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sat Dec 21, 2002 1:15 pm

I really like the new one better but I don't think the traveling public will no the differance. (I didn't when i first saw it) I think its much better.
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hmmmm...
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sat Dec 21, 2002 1:58 pm

Even for an aviation nerd like me, I couldn't tell the difference until I compared old with new. For those who say it is terrible, fear not, nobody will notice the change.

NOW THIS IS A COLOR SCHEME. CALL ME WHEN KLM LOOKS LIKE THIS.

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USAFHummer
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sat Dec 21, 2002 2:58 pm

I hardly see a difference aside from the smaller cheatline...will normal, non-aviation enthusiasts, really notice all that much is my concern? I think if an airline is going to change their livery they should do it completely, not just a minor cosmetic makeover like this...

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jwenting
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sat Dec 21, 2002 3:24 pm

Greg, KLM is smart enough to not WANT a complete makeover. It means you have to rebuild your entire corporate image and costs a load of money better spent on other things.
Several large corporations here did it over the last decade, they each spent billions on the change itself and probably lost at least as much again on lost sales as people didn't combine the new identity with the old products and went to other brands they DID recognise.

I don't like this change either, IMO there should have been no change at all. But as I said it's in line with the way KLM works.
The last change of livery involved changing the tone of the upper body blue by a few percent. The one before that changed the colours in the tail logo to a single colour (from a two tone blue).
They're an old airline, their livery a classic. The recognition it brings instantly all over the world is priceless.
Even if they do plan on going for something completely different, the change will have to be slow and gradual over a period of many years in order to avoid loosing that. Say they want to go all white (heavens forbid), then this is a logical first step. Next might be to drop the light blue upper fuselage (or more likely make it very faint) in 5-10 years time, leaving only the blue cheatline. Let's just hope that isn't the plan...

Orange doesn't fit in the KLM livery. Orange and blue clash together, and besides orange is the halmark of Air Holland who are hated by KLM enough that they'd do anything to destroy them (and have).
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OO-VEG
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sat Dec 21, 2002 7:09 pm

YUGH... what a shame, KLM did the worst paintjob so far.

Here a picture on justplanes.com


Everybody Compares it with the old KLM livery, but how about this livery??


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Couldn't KLM adjust the scheme a little bit more to this?

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jwenting
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sat Dec 21, 2002 7:46 pm

Actually, it's not as bad as TUI...
The old livery from the 1950s is too old, doesn't fit in the current world. But I too don't understand the need for the change they made now.
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GE
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sat Dec 21, 2002 8:31 pm

I actually prefer the old livery, it is much more outstanding and easily recognizable as KLM. And it matches the B744 beautifully.  Smile
However, one has to change livery sooner or later. Although the new livery isn't as nice as the old livery, I have to admit it is a refreshing change and adds a bit of a 'modern' look.

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456
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sat Dec 21, 2002 8:37 pm

I like it a lot... its just a modern jacket of the old livery. When i see this blue bird flying in US e.g., i am proud that i am dutch.

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lima
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sat Dec 21, 2002 9:07 pm

Is it possible that is a gradual or interim change for another one?

I am a little disapointed, it creates some perception to Korean Air.
 
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keesje
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sat Dec 21, 2002 10:17 pm

I think to "old" livery became outdated.

Those big blue and white lines are really seventy's eighties stuff.

Seeing the new next to the old livery makes that all to clear ...

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airmale
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sun Dec 22, 2002 12:04 am

Its nice, but I still think they didnt need to change.
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sun Dec 22, 2002 6:55 am

I don't think they "needed" to change, but I don't think it hurt. The good point is indeed that they didn't switch over to Eurowhite - that would've just annoyed the daylights out of a lot of people (including me). Erstwhile, the new scheme is, I think, a little more refined, "mature" so to speak. It's nice. The greyish bottom color seems to be quite the same as that of the former scheme, just without the contrasting white stripe between it and the dark blue. I wonder what prompted the change???
 
ARN
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sun Dec 22, 2002 6:24 pm

The first repainted aircraft PH-BFI visited Malmo-Sturup airport yesterday. Does anyone know why?
 
1stspotter
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sun Dec 22, 2002 7:53 pm

Hi

ARN, the aircraft was on a testflight. KLM selected PH-BFI to be the first aircraft in the new livery because this aircraft was undergoing heavy maintenance and needed a new paintjob anyway.

The testflight is standard procedure after finishing the heavy maintenance.

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MUC-PIX
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RE: New KLM Colors

Sun Dec 22, 2002 8:06 pm

Small but fine differences, livery stays looking serious and they didn´t choose to get another Euro-white carrier, that´s the most important thing!
 
Scorpio
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Dec 23, 2002 7:00 am

When I first saw the pictures 2 days ago, I wasn't all that enthusiastic, I must say. However, the new scheme is already growing on me! The mre I see the pics, the more I like it! Well done KLM!
 
caribb
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Dec 23, 2002 7:43 am

I like it. KLM has always had a classy look and this is a slight improvement. Nothing too radical but enough to update it to the present.. Nice job KLM, looking forward to seeing it at Dorval soon.
 
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Dec 23, 2002 12:40 pm

At first I didnt care for it, but now I love it! I realized that it really is still recognizable as KLM, there's nothing drastic to get used to. But at the same time it's a nice change and a good modernization. Good work KLM!

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JAL
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Dec 23, 2002 10:40 pm

The new livery looks kinda nicer when compare to the previous one.
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larspl
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RE: New KLM Colors

Wed Dec 25, 2002 10:54 am

can someone give us a paintschedule?
when will the other types get a new painted a/c..

(yes i know, it will be together with heavy maintenance,.... but: when will i.e. the first 737-800 have her new paint after maintenance?)

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je89_w
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RE: New KLM Colors

Wed Dec 25, 2002 4:59 pm

I think the livery is nice . . . but I think the old one is better. As Lima said, "it creates some perception to Korean Air."

The new livery looks more classy. I may grow to like it in the near future, but as of now, I still prefer the old livery. Just my opinion.

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Greg
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RE: New KLM Colors

Thu Dec 26, 2002 1:39 am

It's amazing that with the stroke of a pen they can remove all character from a livery! It simply looks unfinished.

It's much ado about nothing....
 
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keesje
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Jan 06, 2003 2:43 am

Just for your attention
great shot from Alexander Jonsson.

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Glad they didn't change the tail,
really stands out in the dark ...
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covert
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Jan 06, 2003 3:04 am

Hey, BFI needed a paintjob lol



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SR 103
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Jan 06, 2003 5:42 am

I just saw PH-BFI with my own eyes in AMS on Thursday while changing planes. It looks real nice in person, but I still prefer the old colors. I prefer the dark blue and they seem to have virtually removed it.

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WiLdmanVzla
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Jan 06, 2003 5:47 am

It's really nice... they're a traditional airline getting an innovative traditional scheme... It´s OK for me.
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Zander
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Jan 06, 2003 5:58 am

Keesje,
Thanks a lot  Smile

I was truly surprised to see that one at Malmö-Sturup, believe it or not but it's true  Big grin

Alex
 
EGGD
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Jan 06, 2003 6:26 am

Its growing on me, I still don't know which I prefer, now...
 
josseposse
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Jan 06, 2003 6:56 am

I find these colours really stylish, decent as KLM pretends to be.

Are they painting their MD-11's soon, also?
 
ba319-131
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Jan 06, 2003 7:05 am

Just my $0.02,it sucks big time!

The old colours were much better,I actually think the KLM Cityhopper scheme with the 'silver' is nicer that the old KLM with the blue stripe.

Big mistake.

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apollo13
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Jan 06, 2003 7:19 am

big deal it looks just like the old scheme
 
Gib
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Jan 06, 2003 8:14 am

....There's not enough difference to even bother...!
 
AApilot2b
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RE: New KLM Colors

Mon Jan 06, 2003 9:16 am

I think it looks fine. I'm not a fan of companies that have to change their entire identity every few years. KLM is secure with its current image.

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