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9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 5:55 am

Another major victory of the A340-600/500 family over the 777-200LR/300ER .



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Reuters
UPDATE - Iberia opts for Airbus to replace Boeing 747s
Thursday January 30, 3:35 pm ET


MADRID, Jan 30 (Reuters) - Spanish airline Iberia said on Thursday it had decided to order nine long range Airbus A340-600 planes, with options for another three, to replace aging Boeing 747s in its fleet.


Iberia said in a statement three Airbuses would be delivered in 2004, five in 2005 and one in 2006 and the deal came with a guarantee from Airbus for the residual value of the planes.

The firm, one of the few European airlines to have shown profit growth in 2002, said the deal would considerably increase profitability on long-haul services, increasing income per passenger kilometre and reducing fuel, maintenance and crew costs as well as the cost of capital.

European manufacturer Airbus and its U.S. rival Boeing Co had been locked in a fierce contest for the order as airlines worldwide scale back their fleet expansion plans and aircraft orders dry up.

Airbus looks likely to overtake Boeing as number one in the aircraft industry in 2003.

Boeing expects to deliver 280 aircraft from Seattle this year, down 27 percent from 2002 and lagging far behind Airbus which plans to ship 300 jets over the same period. But Airbus also concedes an Iraq war could cut that number.

In mid-afternoon trading on the New York Stock Exchange Boeing shares were up 1.0 percent at $30.89 in a falling market.

Airbus is 80-percent owned by the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co NV , with the remaining 20 percent owned by BAE Systems Plc ().

EADS closed up 4 percent on Thursday in Paris trade.

Iberia is due to publish full-year results on Friday.




[Edited 2003-01-30 22:01:06]
 
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RE: 9 A340-600 For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 5:58 am

Those should look sharp in Iberia livery!
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RE: 9 A340-600 For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 5:59 am

So I'm assuming that, since I think Iberia's first 3 are coming soon, that this will make for a total of 12+3 A346s?

Good news.

Iberia is planning 357 seats in theirs, if I'm not mistaken.

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RE: 9 A340-600 For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 5:59 am

Oh here we go again...another post trying to spark an Airbus vs. Boeing war. Another victory for one, means a loss for the other. What is really important is not how many A340's Iberia gets, but that competition remains. It is healthy and good for business. By competing against each other, even vigorously, the two manufacturers are pushed to develop better, stronger, faster, and more revolutionary products. It ensures that neither A nor B falls asleep at the switch.

As for Iberia, it makes sense, given that they have the A340-300 already.

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RE: 9 A340-600 For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 5:59 am

Does anyone know if Iberia will re-design its in-flight product when the A340-600s arrive?

[Edited 2003-01-30 22:19:47]
 
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RE: 9 A340-600 For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 5:59 am

No big surprise there considering they already have 343s in service. Good for them although I wish they were getting 777s instead.
 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:04 am

I'd like to second AF-A319's ? Numerous posts on this website rate Iberia's inflight product as horrible. I'd hope they take this opportunity to better their product on their entire fleet. Can we assume MIA will see a 346? Where else?
 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:10 am

EZE perhaps?
IB getting the 777 was never really going to happen.It made no sense for them to do so.Good to see their fleet is being stream-lined further if these are to replace the 747 classics.
 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:27 am

I think Boeing could've offered 777s for $7.77 each without much luck. IB, like LH, will not order any Boeing products with a direct Airbus equivalent in our lifetime. I guarantee it.
 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:43 am

MEX will be one of the target markets from day one... at least for the first group of A346s that will arrive here shortly.

I would assume that MIA will continue to receive the 747 until there are enough to cover both MEX and MIA.

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:48 am

So, Wingman, what's your point? We also have airlines which will never order Airbus products with a direct Boeing equivalent. Delta, Conti, American, Southwest.

Certainly one more important step for the A340-500/600 within hours, after Thai having signed for the A346. I really like the B777, but it's good to see not every major airline goes for the same aircraft. Variety is what I like!


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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:00 am

Maybe one of the reasons IB 'won't order a Boeing plane'is that Airbus commanality serves their needs.All they will have is 319/320/321 as 1 effective type and then 343+346 which will(AFAIK )share the same pilot pool.
 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:04 am

Has anyone else seen the statement from Boeing on thier website about the loss? This is the first time that I can say that this is a very unprofessional statement from Boeing. The paragraph below is a direct quote from the statement...

"Given that the major airlines of the world -- and their passengers -- clearly prefer the Boeing 777 over the A340, it is disappointing that Iberia chose what the world recognizes as a less capable airplane than the 777, which has outsold the A340 about two to one."

I am not impressed.
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:17 am

I didn't know those Seattle kids could write so cheesy sentances!!

Anyway, that's cool to lean that "the world" recognized the A340 as a less capable airliner. Let's ask CX, SAS, SAA, LH, etc. if they find the A340 "less capable"!


 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:18 am

Whoa, Boeing posted something on their website about this?

They must have really had a hard-on for this order.

I find that to be very unprofessional.

Udo, speaking of the A346 signing by Thai. Do you have a source? I've checked the TG website and there wasn't a source provided in the other topic. I'm all for it, I'm just not sure its happened.

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:22 am

Airbus 300 deliveries for 2003.
Boeing 280 deliveries for 2003.
"...Boeing...lagging far behind Airbus...."

How does 20 airframes constitute 'far behind'?

At any rate, I'll agree with a couple posters...this was a one horse race. It would have to fly backwards for Iberia not to have purchased it.

Congrats to both Iberia and Airbus.

 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:36 am

Well, I've seen bad PR from Boeing but this latest statement has got to top it. For an organization as respectable as Boeing, this is just pathetic. Boeing no doubt builds quality airplanes, and they need to just focus on it instead of moping and whining. As an ardent A330/A340 admirer I'm not convinced with Boeing's frequent statements that "passengers clearly prefer the 777 over the A340." That kind of bold, unsubstantuated, and ridiculous statement does nothing to uphold the credibility of Boeing and everything to destroy its own image. Talk about sour grapes...some of their press releases looks more like it was written by a bunch of bitter school boys.

A while ago, there was a private website which was hosted by Boeing to Iberia in which Boeing did all it could to bad-mouth and libel the A340. The website was a complete joke, filled with laughably done animations and statements attempting to show the 777's supposed superiority over the A340. For example, in one section of the website, there was an animation (unprofessionally done, needless to say) that try to compare the two aircraft's flight systems. Animated side by side, was a hastily cutout picture of 777's yoke and a similar picture of A340's sidestick, and below the animations was a statement that went something like this: "the 777 uses yokes but A340 uses sidesticks, so no doubt, we are the better choice" and so on and so forth...

Congrats to Airbus for securing another customer for their latest 4-engined beauties.

[Edited 2003-01-30 23:51:18]
 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:39 am

I also find it very interesting that Boeing would post that on their website, since this can't come as too big a shock and/or disappointment for Seattle. That being said, I know they pushed pretty hard for this order, and even had a devoted web page up dealing with it as well as the past Boeing/Iberia relationship.

Udo,

Unless you can point us to a brand-new source, there is no Thai A346 order. They've recently delayed getting used UA 747-400s because of the purchase price. Honestly think they'd turn around and order brand-new A340's for twice as much?

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:41 am

That was a piss-poor press release. I'll bet the negotiations that precipitated the release got ugly and that was a parting shot. Even if Iberia swore never to buy another Boeing, that was a bad move by Boeing.
 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:44 am

Nobody points out Boeing's portion regarding "easiest decision" given Iberia already has A340's in their fleet.

While I do not find Boeing's PR statement to be proper, I personally for one am sick of these A vs. B wars....

Isn't competition good? Congrats to Airbus for winning the order.....and Congrats to Boeing for winning their respective orders. Why must we continuously argue over who does what? Can we not leave it at "Both companies make respectable airplanes" instead of the continuous barrage against one or another?

The world would not be a better place if Boeing went out of business and Airbus had 100% of the market, or vice versa.

Let's grow up.

I hope Iberia has continued success and enjoys their latest purchase.

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:50 am

Actually that has been pointed out several times.
 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:58 am

Alitalia744-

If we didn't have the continuous barrage, what would we talk about?

Certainly not enough to make this the most used forum in the world.  Smile

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:18 am

I agree that the a press release from Boeing was in bad taste. Then again, when a manufacturer has been shut out of orders from certain carriers for a while due to politics, frustration can be shown quiet easily. Yes, the A340-600 was the better choice for Iberia because they already operate the A340-300. The question is, why did Iberia choose the A340-300 and what thought process was involved? A better question would be why did Lufthansa order the A340-300?
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:23 am

Very unprofessional from Boeing side. I would not have expected this from a respected and recognized company like Boeing. I like both Boeing and Airbus, but Boeing's statement is just unprofessional. No matter what happened during the negotiations you just don't say that, there are airlines who operate both the 777 and A340, what impression does that give to them?

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:32 am

Yeah, Iberia already own A340's so this isn't a huge shock..

Has anyone else seen the statement from Boeing on thier website about the loss? This is the first time that I can say that this is a very unprofessional statement from Boeing. The paragraph below is a direct quote from the statement...

"Given that the major airlines of the world -- and their passengers -- clearly prefer the Boeing 777 over the A340, it is disappointing that Iberia chose what the world recognizes as a less capable airplane than the 777, which has outsold the A340 about two to one."

I am not impressed.


I totally agree, Boeing Nut. Thats a pretty immature thing to say. I can't believe the amount of arrogance in that statement, and the false facts 'outsold the A340 about two to one'.

wow....

I mean, ok Iberia ordered A340's, so what? Why do Boeing need to say such arrogant statements that are untrue??? Its apparent too me that the Airbusses and Boeings in this sector of the market are pretty much even in regards to orders, so why do Boeing have to be so bashful???

Another major victory of the A340-600/500 family over the 777-200LR/300ER .

Please keep your biased opinions to yourself please... I don't like people doing it about Airbus just as much as I don't like people doing it about Boeing....

blurgh.

Any 777 orders on the horizon?

 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:52 am

MEX will be one of the target markets from day one... at least for the first group of A346s that will arrive here shortly.

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:58 am

I think that CASA's involvement in Airbus was a large impetus for them to strongly consider bolstering the national economy with Airbus aircraft in the first place. All you have to do is see what Air France and Lufthansa have done....

I'm not saying that Airbus planes are not excellent--but that was clearly a factor that only the naive could ignore.

I imagine the A380 will be next for them.

Again, congrats to Airbus and Iberia.
 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 9:19 am

I'm reading alot of posts that says competition is good and that's true. However, if two is fighting within a same market, and one wins an order it is count as a lost to another. In other words one goes up and the other goes down. There can only be one winner but not both, and airbus wins this one.

It seems despite the poor service that Iberia has their business have been doing well. So these planes are suppose to replace the 747-200 in their fleet. Is 9 planes all there is in the 747-200 fleet?
 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 9:20 am

They already have 3 A340-600s from a previous order arriving soon.

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 9:24 am

According to Boeing those Iberia people are probably some dumba**.
 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 9:38 am

Heh of course, according to Boeing.

Which confirmed they know a good dumbass when they see one with this press release.

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 10:11 am

This is great news, however most of us where not surprised. well.... actually we where with Boeings statement.

any ways, does anybody have proof of the A346 TG order?

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 11:23 am

Anybody know how many 747s Iberia has currently, are they all -200s? And how many 757s? It appears they are going for an all Airbus fleet. Boeing's press release seems unusual considering top airlines like Virgin, Cathay, SAA have ordered the A340-600. Virgin has said they prefer 4 engines, may be the others also have a preference for them.

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 1:07 pm

I am disappointed with Boeing for those comments they made . Very unprofessional and arrogant of them . I used to be a pro-Boeing fan but now adays I prefer Airbus more and more . I still love the 777s and 747-400s through . If they can concentrate on building on 7E7 instead of bad-mouthing the competiting rivals , I am sure they will build a great plane .


Congrats on Airbus on Iberia's deal . I am not surprised they chose the A340-600 .

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 1:36 pm

Marcus:

Iberia used to operate their MEX flights with 743s and sometimes 742s until about a month and a half ago, when they switched to 343s.
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 4:54 pm

I personally think that they have made a sound choice and I am sorry to read that Boeing have not taken it kindly. It is tough to wake up and see that there is a major competitor in the field after so many years of complete dominance and arrogance. Now that dominance is gone but not, it would seem, the arrogance.
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 5:15 pm

This equipment change on the MAD-MEX flight still puzzles me. I thought, MEX was a key destination for IBE with lots of traffic. Am I wrong?

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:28 pm


Wingman,

Perhaps you would have said the same about AF before they ordered 777s.

 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:55 pm

Good point, CX747. Why the hell has ANY airline chosen that crappy A340-300??? You could also ask: why don't all guys like the same girl? Are they crazy?  Confused


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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:10 pm

Boeing also came out with a negative press release about Airbus and the EasyJet deal - that Airbus bought the deal, etc....

Boeing, previous big boys, for the first time in decades has a competitor that matches them in size, price, range of aircraft. Airbus just happens to be better at negociating it seems. Boeing are arrogant, don't like losing, and when they do, they moan.

But Boeing have also bought contracts.... Michael o'Leary on Boeing: "we raped them"... Stelios on Boeing from the seattle press: "Before Christmas, the president of Boeing said, 'This (offer) is the deal of the century -- take it now or it will never be repeated,' " Haji-Ioannou was quoted as saying yesterday in the Times of London. "Rubbish," he (Stelios) added. "He undercut himself again and again. So it wasn't the deal of the century. So why believe them?"


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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:47 pm

It’s quite amusing that Boeing started to act like a little annoyed kid just because Airbus has received certain orders…they obviously forget that their ridiculous behaviour could lock em out from future orders as well…
I don’t want to get into a political discussion here, but that frustrated Boeing statement reminds me of the current US foreign policy: ‘our way is the only way, accept it or be our enemy…’

One more thing. Obviously some Boeing people need some help in being reminded that there’s quite a number of ‘major airlines’ without B777s…such as Air Canada, China Airlines, China Eastern, Iberia, LanChile, Lufthansa, Northwest, Qantas, SAS, South African, Swiss, TAM Brasil, Turkish Airlines, US Airways, Virgin Atlantic…their A340/A330 orders alone amount to more than 280, quite a high number for a ‘less capable airplane’…


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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:54 pm

Udo:

I have to disagree with your suggestion about US carriers which will never order an Airbus. With the exception of Southwest(because the business model precludes it)and CO under Bethume, I can't see why Airbus has any less chance than Boeing for any order. The exclusivity contracts were waived at the insistence of the EU and there are hundreds of Airbii flying for UA, NW and
US(amongst others). AA flies A300's and supposedly Delta is considering the A318.

OTOH, how many new Boeing a/c fly with the flag carriers in Airbus Europe? Only AF with its' continued interest in the 744 series and the 777. When was the last order from LH or IB? British Airways, of course, has other problems right now.

While it's easy to understand that a national gov't which owns a frame-maker and an airline will undoubtedly favor the home-grown product, it has to be a bitter pill for Boeing to know that they have little chance in placing an a/c with the prestigeous flag carriers not matter what they offer. Yes, I know that they have done well in other sectors of the European market, but it also serves to indicate that Airbus has a better chance of placing a/c here than Boeing does there.

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 9:02 pm

F4N,

Alitalia - Italy - new 777s
KLM - Netherlands - new 777s
British Airways - has the largest fleet of 747s
 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 10:12 pm

CX747, you say:
"A better question would be why did Lufthansa order the A340-300?"

Maybe you're too young to remember but back when Lufthansa selected
the A340 to replace the DC-10, there was no such thing as a 777 and
the only competitor was the MD-11... tough choice don't you think?
 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 10:31 pm

F4N,

Airbus does not have any chance at American or Delta, all their new fleet decisions over the last years naturally EXCLUDE any Airbus type in their fleets for the next decades.
American’s A300 order goes back to the late 1980s, and Delta considering the A318 seems like a joke to me. And if they do show an ‘interest’, they might only try to further drop Boeing’s offer on the B737NG.

American, Delta and Continental are far more away from Airbus than Lufthansa or Iberia are from Boeing. Iberia’s last Boeing order was for B757s in the late 90s, though Airbus had the A321 on offer. Lufthansa added new B747-400s until last year and is even considering a new order for them. During the same period of time, AA, DL and CO had already been far away from any Airbus orders.
And as far as your ‘flag carrier’ argument is concerned: only few airlines in Europe are still controlled by European governments, most airlines are as free in their decisions as American carriers are. Want some examples for Boeing’s position in Europe?

- Lufthansa operates the fifth largest B747-400 fleet in the world, British Airways even has the largest
- British Airways is the second largest B777 operator in the world (together with AA)
- Air France as the once ‘typical European flag carrier’ operates 25 B777-200ER and has 13 B777-300ER on order
- both KLM and Alitalia ordered B777-200s not long ago, 10 and 9 aircraft respectively.
- Ryanair ordered 100 B737-800s at once and now wants to add 100 more
- KLM and SAS as significant European flag carriers went for the B737NG
- LOT and Malev went for B737NGs despite their EU entry next year (so much for ‘politics’ arguments)
- Germany is a real B737NG heaven: Air Berlin, Hapag Lloyd, Germania and Hamburg International all decided against the A32X family


Not bad for a region which is totally under political pressure to order Airbus…


Regards
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 10:39 pm

Gerardo,

Iberia's equipment change on the MAD-MEX-MAD route should not puzzle you, since they added three more frequencies. Instead of flying the B747-300 7 times a week, they are flying the A340-300 10 times a week. They really want the A340-600 in Mexico, since Mexico City is a hot and high airport and sometimes the A340-300 is weight restricted, so they have to leave seats empty in order to get enough cargo.

About Iberia's order of the A340-600 instead of the B777, Iberia is committed to Latin America, since they get their biggest revenue from flights to Latin American Countries and they want to fly non-stop to cities like Buenos Aires, Lima and Santiago without ETOPS certification using the most direct route. They really think that 4 engines is the choice for those flights. The B777 is an excellent product, but not for Iberia's business plan.

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 10:45 pm

Hey, this brings A346 orders to, what, twice those of the B764? Considering how much more work was involved in the 346 as a variant, Airbus needs all the orders it can get on what currently remains a commercial failure.

Of course, since Airbus is only paying a fixed amount per airframe sold against the money loaned for development, they are likely cash-positive on what they've sold already.  Smile

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 11:39 pm

The old story, european airlines only buy these inferior crappy Airbusses because their communist governments (if you would follow european politics you would see for example that the relationship between airlines and government often isn't that good, but maybe Fox News isn't the perfect source for international information...) force them to buy, while the american airlines buy Boeing because every single Boeing is the greatest aircraft flying on this planet although Airbus would actually PAY them money for taking their planes.

The only airline of the ones you mentioned where government influence could play a role, because they are partly government-owned, namely Air France, is going for the B777...

It's getting boring guys.
 
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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Fri Jan 31, 2003 11:43 pm

Whilst Boeing's statement regarding this Iberia order was rather disappointing, i am not suprised, why? because these sort of practises are normal between rival business's. When advertising a product, boeing will tell you how brilliant it is compared to it's competitor, while Airbus will also do exactly the same. The 777 is not "better" than the A340 and the A340 is not "better" than the 777 no matter what Airbus or Boeing say about them. Each plane has it's own merit's regarding efficiency, fuel burn, seat mile costs etc etc, and while airline "X" prefers the A340, airline "Y" will be better suited with the 777.

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RE: 9 A340-600s For Iberia

Sat Feb 01, 2003 12:28 am

Folks,

IB buying the A340-600 boils down to these two salient facts:

1. IB wants to switch their fleet to as many Airbus planes as possible. That right there precludes the 777-200ER.

2. IB already is flying the A340-300. Because the A346 has more or less the same type rating as the A343, that right there saves a lot on flight crew and cabin crew training costs.

I expect the IB A346's to be common sights at JFK, MIA, MEX, GRU, GIG, EZE and SCL, all very popular destinations for Spanish businessmen and tourists. I also expect that IB may get 5-6 A380-800's for additional transatlantic capacity.

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