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lparky
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:44 am

Nasa site: http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/

 
Beefmoney
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:44 am

I think it *may* be time to put a new orbiter into space. I think designing a new space vehicle shoud be put on the front burner.
 
CcrlR
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:45 am

I remember when I first heard it I thought it was just a glitch and it's going to be back on track. It's sad this happened. Hope that no planes or anyone gets hit from the debris. How are the airports there at DFW and others? Have they delayed flights due to the debris?
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777236ER
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:46 am

Mika, if the heat shield tiles were damaged it wouldn't matter until reentry. If...
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A388
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:47 am

My deepest regrets and sympathy goes out to the lifes lost in this tragic incident and the families involves. God bless them.

Hopefully we will get to know the cause of this tragic incident.

A388  Crying
 
mika
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:48 am


The crew of Space Shuttle Columbia, picture taken december 20th (year?) according to swedish media. From left to right: Michael Anderson, William McCool, Rick Husband, David Brown, Laurel Clark, Ilan Ramon, Kalpana Chawla.


God rest their souls.


[Edited 2003-02-01 16:52:20]
 
L-188
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:49 am

I wonder how this is going to affect the International Space Station.

That project was pretty much depending on steady constant shuttle flights.

Any long term downing of the remaining shuttles is going to have a major effect on it.
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OPNLguy
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:50 am

A friend of mine just called to ask if I was watching the coverage, and when I told him I'd turned it off, he suggested I click it back on. WFAA was doing a phone interview with a retired NASA engineer (Frank Kizis), and he had some interesting comments (as opposed to un-informed babble). I'll paraphrase:

-The reports of tank insulation hitting the wing's leading edge should have been a non-event, since the stuff had the consistency of styrofoam.

-A piece of ice (if it existed) would have been heavier than any insulation, and could have cracked a tile on the wing's leading edge. He said that during re-entry, the leading edges take the brunt of the heat, some 2,500F-3,000F degrees, and that a cracked tile would undoubtedly result in a burn-through on that wing.

-He said the Shuttle would have yawed as a result, and as no aircraft is intended to fly "sideways" the aerodynamic forces of 200,000 feet and 1,200 MPH started the actual break-up sequence.

These are just snippets of what he said, but I gather we'll be hearing more about him/from him. He's a retired propulsion engineer....
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777236ER
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:51 am

Nice to see that from a few blurry images on the TV a RETIRED engineer can speculate so wildly and so certainly  Insane

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DeltaRules
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:51 am

CNN reporting debris on the ground in Texas, town started with an N & sounded spanish (didn't get the name or spelling of it).

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Beefmoney
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:52 am

Yeah, they are almost forcedto send another shuttle up soon to do regular re-stocking and crew operations on the ISS.
 
777236ER
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:53 am

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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:53 am

The town is Nocagdoches.
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lparky
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:55 am

Opnl,

keep up the local updates, here in Houston we are getting national stuff and I am sure the metroplex news has better info
 
L-188
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:55 am

It is due east of Palistine.
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FutureSQPilot
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:55 am

Could it be that the heat shield on the wing was compromised in the debris strike during liftoff, thus starting a fire on re-entry?
 
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anair80
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:55 am

This seems to be another big loss.
My heart also goes to all of those who had any relation to the 7 up in the Shuttle. Another tragedy in such a short time.

I feel really bad this Saturday morning, was so happy, now everything is turned down and very saddened.

Anair80
 
L-188
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:57 am

It's a theory Futureqpilot.

And a pretty good one.

It beats the conspiracies who are going to claim that operatives for GW caused this to boost his sagging ratings and divert attention from Iraq.

I know there are people who are going to claim this.

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hmmmm...
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:58 am

Any chemical is destroyed at those re-entry temperatures. The warning not to touch the debris by NASA is meant to keep any member of the public from disturbing the evidence. There will be another long-winded investigation as there was after Challenger. The shuttle will not fly again for a long time, if ever. The space station is now on permanent hold.

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777236ER
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:58 am

Not appropiate, BR715.  Insane
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akelley728
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:59 am

Oh God, my prayers are with the crew's families.

I remember like yesterday the Challenger disaster. I still feel pain from it.

A sad day indeed...
 
777236ER
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:59 am

The space station is now on permanent hold.

No its not. The space station is too international to be put on hold. The shuttle will fly again.

[Edited 2003-02-01 17:02:45]
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CcrlR
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:00 am

There is info on Nasa's website
http://www.nasa.gov
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OPNLguy
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:00 am

>>>Opnl,

keep up the local updates, here in Houston we are getting national stuff and I am sure the metroplex news has better info



Sorry, I've turned it back off. WFAA's sister station in Houston is KHOU channel 11, both owned by Belo, so maybe they have some of the same stuff that WFAA does...

NASA will probably have a news conference before very long...
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L-188
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:00 am

I think I will let you prove that hmmmm...

I have seen way to many cases of heavily built object being destroyed in a crash or earthquake and yet some delicate thing surviving.

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Beefmoney
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:00 am

So, does anyone know what the plan may turn out to be regarding ISS? How long can the crew on the ISS live without resupply ships?
 
hmmmm...
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:03 am

This wasn't a crash. Or an earthquake. This was an incineration.
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dc-10 levo
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:03 am

Anyone here think they are still alive?
Anyone here think the shuttle is still operational?
I hope the shuttle flys again. Maybe it will be like the Concorde crash?

DC-10
 
dc-10 levo
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:05 am

Nasa lowered the flag to half mast.

DC-10
 
Shamrock_747
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:06 am

There's a Russian Soyuz Spacecraft always docked at the ISS to be used as an emergency escape route. Every six months it goes back down to Russia and another one is sent up with new supplys. This is in addition to the regular US Shuttle missions. Should the astronouts and cosmanouts currently in the ISS need to return to earth they will almost certainly use the Soyuz.

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coboeing777
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:09 am

"Nice to see that from a few blurry images on the TV a RETIRED engineer can speculate so wildly and so certainly"

That's right, the speculation from the professional 13 yr old aviation experts on this site here is so much more credible...
 
777236ER
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:10 am

NO speculation at this time is required. How stupid for anyone to be making claims this early on.
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ouboy79
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:11 am

Regarding ISS...i'm going to guess all manned missions to the station for now will be handled by Russia.

As for the rest...i will go back into my state of shock. If only the VentureStar's funding wasn't killed by the last president.

May their souls be blessed and families/friends be comforted in this time.
 
Trident
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:11 am

Sky News here in the UK (Fox News in the US) has just stated that the vertical stabiliser (tail fin) broke off. Some of the video footage does show something tumbling and twinkling behind the head of the contrail (the main vehicle) BEFORE the single trail starts to break into multiple trails. If the fin did come off, the vehicle would have started to yaw and. once gone beyond a certain yaw angle, would have been btoken up by aerodynamic forces.

In 1968, pilot Mike Adams died when his X-15 exceeded the safe yaw angle when re-entering the earth's atmosphere and the aircraft broke up.

 
dc-10 levo
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:12 am

Don't speculate????
Every news channel on the TV is saying this has happened. Everyone is dead and there is no shuttle left.
I'm not speculating. I'm hearing the truth from the news channels.

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777236ER
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:13 am

I mean speculation about the cause. Obviously...
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mika
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:14 am

NO speculation at this time is required. How stupid for anyone to be making claims this early on.

Stay out of it then. As simple as that.
 
dc-10 levo
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:14 am

Ok, I know what you mean 777236ER.
Will the cause of this ever come out?

DC-10
 
toady
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:15 am

However 'routine' shuttle missions may seem to the likes of us, the astronauts will have been fully aware of how risky they are. They are, without doubt, very brave and courageous people. They take those risks for the benefit of you and me - I take my hat off to them. Bless them all.
 
Alessandro
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:19 am

So the 28th trip with the Columbia was the last one, sad.
May they rest in peace....
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sleekjet
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:19 am

I have friends who live in Plano, TX, just north of Dallas. At the time this happened, their apartment complex caught fire and is now completely destroyed. It is unknown whether the two incidents are related, too early to tell. My friends and their 4-month old baby are OK.
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OPNLguy
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:23 am

No effect on local ATC, and more importantly, debris hitting any aircraft below...

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apuneger
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:24 am

Just came home and I was told that NASA lost contact with Columbia. Shocked. Don't know what to say except for RIP...

Feeling seriously down now. Sincere condoleances to all families/friends/employees/... that are involved.

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Alpha 1
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:25 am

Way to early for any analysis from us armchair quarterbacks, my friends. It's just a stunning, sad day for the space program, and for the peoples of the U.S., Israel and India, whom all lost nationals on this flight.

ADG, I agree with you it's too early to know what the impact on the overall probram will be, but I think it will end it myself. There's almost no way the U.S. will replace another shuttle this far along in the program. I hope I'm wrong, Bron, and that you're correct,but I think this well could be a death blow.


Those lost in U.S. Space Accidents:

1967, Apollo 1
Gus Grissom
Roger Chaffee
Edward White

1986, Space Shuttle Challenger
Francis R. Scobee
Michael J. Smith
Judith A. Resnik
Ellison S. Onizuka
Ronald E. McNair
Gregory B. Jarvis
Sharon Christa McAuliffe

2003, Space Shuttle Columbia
Michael Anderson
William McCool
Rick Husband
David Brown
Laurel Clark
Ilan Ramon
Kalpana Chawla

All of them pioneeers of the last, great frontier. All rest in peace.
 
767-332ER
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:37 am

May God be with all of them and with their families. God bless the crew of Columbia. Rest in peace
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LZ-TLT
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:38 am

According to official launch timetables, there were no further sheduled launches for Columbia this year(or at least until august). However, there are THREE shuttle launches:

1 March 2003 ISS Flight MPLM(ULF1) -Atlantis
23 Mai 2003 ISS Flight 12A - Endeavour
24 July 2003 ISS Flight 12A1 Atlantis

If all the rest of the shuttles should be grounded, it looks like the completion of the ISS might be thrown significantly back. All flights mentioned are carrying new components for the ISS, none of them is a "taxi" flight carrying replacement crewmembers. Hope somebody here can post more about the planned crews for these flights and details on the payload they were supposed to carry.

Despite the souls gone with the Columbia crash, 2003 looks not good at all for all kinds of spaceflights. One cancelled Ariane 5 start and one ending up in a disaster, ESA has to destroy the newest Astra satelite after it stranded on a too low orbit....don't want to sound dark-minded.....but what's next?
 
Klaus
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:42 am

I´m completely shocked. I wasn´t aware what was going on until a friend´s email came in a few minutes ago.

May the astronauts rest in peace.

My condolences to their families and to the people of the USA and Israel.  Sad
 
desert_dweller
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:43 am

for all of u who think this is a terrorist attack, i feel sorry for u... al queda can barely afford clothing, u want them to bring down an object travelling at 12,000miles/hour over the USA???? use ur heads... even a super sonic plane cant keep up with this shuttle. oh ya and its weird how the problems occured when there was an israeli on board.  Confused

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RayChuang
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:50 am

I just hope this doesn't result in the permanently grounding of the Space Shuttle--it'll be at least 2011 before the Next-Generation Space Shuttle that NASA is sending out bids can fly its first test mission.

Given the state of the Russian space program the ISS will likely be temporarily serviced by a skeleton crew launched from Russia using Soyuz and Progess spacecraft--or may be abandoned altogether.  Sad
 
contrails
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RE: Space Shuttle Columbia Crisis

Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:52 am

This is not the way I wanted to start this Saturday. I didn't even know the shuttle was due back today. Perhaps I wasn't paying enough attention, or did they keep that info a secret?

A few personal observations. First, I have been watching CNN most of the morning, and I applaud them for the way they tried very hard to avoid speculating.

Second, I know the folks at NASA are hurting right now. You should know that there are many in the USA, and other countries, who are sharing your pain.

Third, the space business is inherently dangerous. Each time an astronaut goes aboard the shuttle, even for pre-flight tests, there are a thousand ways that something could go wrong and result in death. The fact that they continue to do their jobs speaks volumes. I have always admired them and I always will. They are doing something that I could never do, although I have dreamed about it many times. I don't have the requisite abilities. I believe that God gave us the desire to explore the unknown, and it is something we must do to advance the human race. Where would we be without the Columbus, Magellan, or Lewis and Clark? We must continue to explore, and we shall. It is our nature.

I hope that NASA doesn't go into paralysis, as they did after the Challenger disaster. We have a space station with astronauts on-board. We must mourn, determine what happened, and fix it-if possible. Then we must move on.

My condolences to the families of these astronauts. They slipped the surly bonds of earth in the service of mankind, and they shall never be forgotten.

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