http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/opinion/woman/0303/14.html

The woman on the left doesn't know what the heck she is talking about. One paragraph that really fired me up was this:

No doubt, many men (and women) will choose to fly Hooters. They choose shiny objects over safety. But no worries. This is just the Darwinian way of weeding out the weaker of the species. They have to go someway, why not die while having some hot wings and eye candy on the way down? We euthanize animals in pain, surely we can spare the mentally challenged a few blessed last moments of life.

She hardly backs anything up with facts and most of them are either lies to the public so they will not fly them, or her own twisted opinions. I just thought I would share that with you, I will be sending her an email tomorrow to express my views on her stupidity.

Justin

Another blowhard trying to sell newspapers! What I caught as funny was that "Air Rage" is something (from her point of view) that is strictly a male thing. Remember the twin sisters a few years back that caused such a ruckus on a westbound trans-Pacific flight out of ANC, that they returned to ANC and had then forcibly removed from the aircraft and arrested? (I forget the airline involved). Also, she neglected to mention (while touting safety) that the Hooter's girls on board, were also backed up by three fully-trained, FAA-qualified Flight Attendants and two fully-trained, FAA-qualified Pilots, and backed by a gaggle of fully-trained, FAA-qualified A & P Mechanics! Small oversight, I'm sure!

I, for one, am a male and I do not frequent Hooter's as I am not that fond of their wings, or other fare. Sure, I find some of the girls attractive (and they get paid pretty well with tips and all) but I bear no ill will towards them. They just wouldn't be my first choice for an airline (but I'm also not flying ATL-MYR either).

She reminds me of Mary Shavio a few years back, declaring unequivocally, "Any airplane that is 25 years old or older is unsafe!" Bullsh*t!

MxCtrlr  
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  

I subscribe to Maxim, watch the Man Show every Sunday at 10pm, eat at Hooters, and work for Hooters Air. What is she going to do about it?

Everyone should email her and knock her off her high horse.

Brian - SPOT THIS!

HORRIBLE ARTICLE!!!

What - are these radical feminists going to start an airline called NOW? (Natl Organization for Women).

JR FlyingTexan

Like any other hotly contested issue, there are two sides...

As a normal red-blooded American guy, sure, a cute girl in a skimpy outfit will understandably get attention...

That said, and understood, one can still see the overall female point-of-view, i.e. being viewed as sex objects. This rather obviously doesn't seem to be an issue with the Hooter's girls themselves, but with other women.

Personally, I think the women are dead on. While I enjoy the female form as much as anyone, that still doesn't (and -shouldn't-, as a Christian) give me the "right" to ogle and otherwise act like an adolescent in heat. I mean, let's be honest, how would some of you feel if your sisters/daughters were Hooter's girls, and the guy next to you was salivating over your loved one?

Make no mistake, each of these Hooter's girls made their own choices, just as Hooter's management did in coming up with both the restaurant and airline concepts involved, and many others don't like it, as is their choice.

One of the thing that bristles is the claim that all this somehow makes Hooter's Air "unsafe", which is utter crap. The aircraft still has 2 pilots, and 3 F/As, and none of the 5 wear hotpants. They're trained just like any other airline crew, and the public (and media) should not confuse the 2 Hooter's girls onboard with anything having to do with safety. They're strictly ornamentation, and are not functional crew members.

I didn't hold back on this one.......

Dear Diane,

Very nice article considering most of this was based on your opinion and hardly backed up by any facts.

"No doubt, many men (and women) will choose to fly Hooters. They choose shiny objects over safety."
I don't even know where to begin there. "They choose shiny objects over safety"! You've got to be kidding me?! Their maintenance is handled by Delta Airlines, which is one of the best in the industry. They have certified flight attendants on board, the girls are only there to assist them, that's it. The crew is trained just like any other airline crew, don't forget that. I find it ridiculous that you would come off as if Hooters is not safe, once again you had no facts behind that comment.

"They have to go someway, why not die while having some hot wings and eye candy on the way down? We euthanize animals in pain, surely we can spare the mentally challenged a few blessed last moments of life."
Any airline at any time could have an accident, nobody is perfect, that's just how it works. That's the most asinine thing I've ever read. So are you claiming anyone who flies on Hooters Air is going to die and is retarded for flying them?

"But those of us who care to spend our money more wisely, and expend our cash for services that cater to us, there is one outstanding factor that will turn away most women: Hooters caters to men."
What is important is that you got a good fare, and you arrived to your destination safely. Are you really that insecure with yourself that you cannot have a woman in a tank top and short shorts serve you a drink? OBVIOUSLY most men would love this idea, and I've talked to some women who would not mind either. Have you ever been in a Hooters restaurant? There are many women who enjoy the food and the atmosphere, so saying that Hooters only caters to men is false.

"I'd rather lose a few dollars on a flight than sell my self respect and barter my dignity."
Which you've completely lost after writing this article.

"Besides, there are other discount airlines. Airtran is still around and they don't require women to wear hot pants. Airtran is known for "delivering the best flying experience to smart travelers." Hooters air is known for "the beach girl next door" who "puts the fun back in flying." Hmm. Let me think a moment. Do I fly on a post 9/11 airline because they offer safe travel or do I fly on an airline to see women in tight T-shirts?"
Once again this whole comment is based on your opinion without any facts backing it up. Airtran has had it's share of problems in the past too. After the Valujet merger there were a few incidents, such as the fire on the taxiway in Atlanta, which 13 passengers received minor injuries. Hooters Air wants to put the "fun" back in flying because traveling by plane is more of a hassle than an enjoyment these days with all the security measures. Nothing should suggest to you that Hooters Air is not safe, I do not know where you came up with that statement.

I am amazed that you would publish such rubbish, which for the most part is untrue to your readers. Sure, there are a select group of ignorant people who will believe what they just read from your article and think that "Hooters Air is an unsafe airline which has unprofessional non trained girls in short shirts skipping across the cabin like bimbo's". Hopefully most people are smart enough not to believe that and/or will reserach it to find that it is false. Sad thing is a majority of these girls are just trying to make an honest living while going through college.

Rgds,

Justin Cederholm

What a bunch of Feminazis.

I bet they wouldn't complain if an Airline called "Peckers" started with scantilly clad men on it... or wait they don't have interest in men, they like other ugly women in pant suits.

Again, they are just jealous because they weren't born beautiful like most Hooter's girls were

"Again, they are just jealous because they weren't born beautiful like most Hooter's girls were"

Or didn't spend the $ 2500 to get those much needed boob implants.

Frankly, this airline will end up being a tiny niche player if it survives at all. If it does get to be too successful, the majors will undercut their fares and no amount of T&A will save it from the dustbin of airline history.

Hmmm... those chicken wings sound good, better than whatever today's airlines give you.

Dazed767,
I am assuming that is what you e-mailed the author of that article? If so VERY well said. I cant explain how much stuff like this gets on my nerves.
Thanks

What a bunch of Feminazis.

EXACTLY. They are free not to fly Hooters of course if they don't like the product.

Hooters Air is not forcing anyone to do anything. All Hooters girls are voluntary.....if it ends up being a successful airline venture....more power to Hooters Air.

that still doesn't (and -shouldn't-, as a Christian) give me the "right" to ogle and otherwise act like an adolescent in heat. I mean, let's be honest, how would some of you feel if your sisters/daughters were Hooter's girls, and the guy next to you was salivating over your loved one?

Well, this is a broader non-airline issue. However, if your daughter is cute enough to be a Hooters girl, she's being ogled ANYWAY, wherever she is.

Hooters Air is just a harmless & fun airline venture...no different than Southwest Airlines in the early 70's (with their hot-pant clad FA's).

They are free not to fly Hooters of course if they don't like the product.

EXACTLY – and as a journalist this tarn hag has the obligation not to insinuate foul safety issues with this carrier.

I think the AJC is going to be getting some nasty letters.

JR FlyingTexan

WHAT a stupid aritcle, written by a feminist who probably has not been laid in 20 years....I think I am gonna head right down to HOOTERS for a couple of cold ones!

Hey if any of you email her, make sure you post her response up in this very forum.

Regards..

Mick

Wow, two "journalists" hoping that a company goes out of business. Sad.

I'd rather lose a few dollars on a flight than sell my self respect and barter my dignity.

Get real   Basing your "dignity" or "self-respect" on an airline that flys with women wearing hot pants? I am glad we have people like these two tackling the tough social issues that plague our country  

Guys, the best part of press like this is a large percentage of the population is going "Huh, Hooters has an Airline?!" Man I gotta check that out!

Women fly as frequently as men and their consumer power is often considered more influential.

Good thing women don't eat fast food or Hooters would have gone out of business a long time ago.

I wholeheartedly agree the article is complete rubbish. The author is obviously inflamed about Hooters to begin with, but unfortunately, can't get beyond her own outrage to express anything intelligent.

I don't care for the idea of Hooters or Hooters Air...but then, neither are in my taste.   I wouldn't fly with them, but that's my choice. As it should be anyone's choice...objectively.

Kudos, Dazed767. Your response to the author was excellent!

OPNLguy:

While I agree that women have every right to equality and self-respect that any man does, and I would not like anyone salivating over my sister just because she happened to be attractive, I do not go to Hooters to ogle women. I go there because they have good food (contrary to popular belief) and good service.

The women are attractive, yes, but most of them are in relationships of some kind. Further, I look at more in women than just their body parts. I also find that most of the Hooters Girls are attractive, intelligent and articulate. Some of them, also, are not and frankly wouldn't be able to keep a job anywhere else other than a topless bar. That doesn't change the fact that they are people who desrve respect.

Dazed767:

I wrote similar comments to both authors. Your final paragraph is absolutely true. Most of them are trying to pay their way through college and to say that they are nothing but play-things is asinine, stupid, and disrespectful.

Jaysit:

Actually, very few of the Hooters Girls who's chests are, shall we say, less impressive, choose to get implants. Some do, but many of the Hooters Girls are all-natural.

Workbench:

My sentiments exactly. I've been going to Hooters pretty regularly for the past two years, and the past three months away from that delightfully tacky, yet unrefined atmosphere that I enjoy so much is sorely missed.

If I can retrieve them, I'll post the letters I sent to BOTH authors in this thread.

Just noticed, there's an opinion poll that you can participate in (link is "I agree with..."). Right now, the votes are:

I agree with Vernadette: 6%, 31 votes
I agree with Diane: 8%, 38 votes
Neither one has it right: 58%, 290 votes
I agree with parts of both: 28%, 138 votes

Notice that the other three combined don't even measure up to the people who disagree.

Cheers!

TrnsWrld, yes that is what I emailed to her. I was trying to be professional about it, but still trying to make my point that she is stupid.  

Wow, two "journalists" hoping that a company goes out of business.

Just because their words appear in public doesn't make them journalists. Don't insult professional journalists by sticking the label on this pair of self-obsessed idiots.

Backfire, hence the use of quotes around the word journalist.

No women are forced to work for Hooters. If they choose to do they, fine. If they choose not to do so, also fine. In a world where women have equal rights, they also have the right to choose the job they want. If they want to be hooters girl and were hot pants and tight shirts, they can.

"Imagine yourself trying to maintain a serious conversation with a man about a job you've applied for, a commercial real estate deal, a medical treatment, or a program for troubled kids and despite all your knowledge, preparation and articulate presentation you simply cannot get him to focus attention north of your chest. And when you turn to leave, you're departure is rewarded by a pair of eyes that only continue to travel south."

Judging from her picture, I doubt she has never had this kind of experience.

I think the entire concept of HOOTERS is missed by women. MOST of the girls that work there are no different than a girl that works in any other restaraunt. They are working to put them selves through school, pay the rent etc....I remember my girlfriend a few years ago went ballistic on me because i went to HOOTERS for a few beers and watch the game with a buddy of mine. She thought (and still does) that all the girls that worked at HOOTERS were s***s.....,bimbos, etc.......that would sell their bodies at the drop of a hat.....

Although the silly woman on the left spewed some shoddy arguments implying that the airline had compromised safety in the name of busty women in orange shorts, the childish and stupid comments coming from the posters about feminists, women in general and the overall dismissal of women's experiences of feeling objectified and degraded show that some of you have barely evolved beyond the cave. In regards to the previous posting that stated "Judging from her picture, I doubt she has never had this kind of experience," you should realize that sexual improprieties towards women of all ages, races, and sizes occur - not only to those you may find attractive.

And please, Hooters is a T&A establishment. Nothing wrong with that, but lets call a spade a spade. If the women who work there are comfortable with the job, and the patrons are comfortable ogling them, its a quid pro quo. Sexual stuffiness from the left is just as annoying as the sexual morality of the right. But don't gloss over the fact that Hooters is basically soft-core porn served with a side of fries - or a bag of peanuts as the case may be on a 737.

I read their Sunday article evry Sunday just for a good laugh, and they gave me a good one yesterday with that article. One good thing about Hooters Air was mentioned in the AJC's Vent several days back:

Hooters Air: the only airline you hope for turbulence on.

Here was my email:

Dear Mrs. Glass,

Your editorial on "Should women fly Hooters Air" is
a prime example of irresponsible journalism. You
blatantly disregard the facts to promote your own
agenda.

Where are your facts to back up your assumption that
Hooters Air isn't safe? The Hooters girls are NOT
flight attendants and perform no safety related
functions. There are three trained flight attendants
(male and female, young and old) on board for that.
The aircraft have the exact same emergency equipment
as any other FAA certified aircraft. You lie like that
and insinuate that Hooters Air isn't safe to try and
form peoples opinions who otherwise wouldn't know any
better. The way you abuse your power to have your
opinions published to me is truly disgusting.

Let's take a look at that last sentence: "The way
you abuse your power to have your opinions published
to me is truly disgusting." The important words: TO
ME. I am taking ownership of my opinion. You should
try that. Regardless of what you want to believe, you
don't speak for women, men, or anyone. You speak for
yourself. You are presenting your opinions as facts,
and you have absolutely no grounds for believing
Hooters Air isn't safe.

I also take issue with the fact that you have some
desire for the passengers and crew of Hooters Air to
die in a plane crash. You go even further by stating
that it would somehow be justified because they are
"mentally challenged". How absolutely evil! Shame on
you for even thinking something like that! Shame on
AJC for letting you print that! These people would
have families and friends, but what's a hundred or so
lives as long as you get what you want, right? I feel
so sorry for you. Sooner or later karma is going to
knock you off your high horse.



Her reply:

You obviously read everything literally and your "Mrs." salutation
speaks
volumes about you.

--Diane

My reply back:

Wow, nice come back. You can't say anything of value because you know I'm right.

I am however sorry, it was stupid of me to assume you were married. No guy with half a brain would want to touch such a disgusting person like you.

I subscribe to Maxim, I watch The Man Show every Sunday night, and I eat at Hooters. What are you going to do about it? Nothing. You can't change a thing. You are an angry little person, and I feel sorry for you.

Oh, and I hope you get hemmeroids...But don't take that literally.

Hooters Air: the only airline you hope for turbulence on.

ROFLMAO!!!

NonRevKing, You go! Lol, how stupid of you to assume she was married! That is all she had for a reply – one sentence? She did not even attempt to recant anything?

JR FlyingTexan

Aa777flyer:

I've been trying to get people to see that every time Hooters comes up on this forum. Their nice girls with no more interest in being sl*ts than my Jesus-Freak mother.

Jaysit:

If we're calling a spade a spade, then Hooters is not soft-core porn. Playboy is. I've never seen a Hooters girl take off her clothes.

My responses to the articles:

Ms. Glass:

Hi. Your ill conceived notions aside, Hooters is not the root all evil. It is actually a quite respectable place, if you ever happen to go there. The women who work there are friendly, more often than not intelligent, and expect to be treated just as well by their customers as the customers expect to be treated.

I frequent Hooters and I have every respect for women--of all types. Calling me a degenerate simply because I like their Grilled Chicken Caesar Salad and their down-to-Earth atmosphere is insulting. Yes, I find the women attractive and their skimpy outfits are arousing, however I can look past those features and into the eyes of the woman in front of me.

Hooters Air will not fail simply because you and other women find it degrading, wishful thinking aside. Robert Brooks has shown a propensity for successful business ventures. The likely hood is that Hooters will continue, though it will never be a large, scheduled carrier. Further, please do not confuse Hooters Girls with pilots and Flight Attendants, who are highly trained and skilled professionals who go through months and years of training in their jobs. Just because a Hooters Girl is on a plane doesn't make the pilot an idiot. Hooters Air has had to go through the same rigorous safety and maintenance procedures as every other airline in the United States.

I realize that I will probably not change your opinion because your mind is closed to the possibility that you might actually be wrong. However, I hope that this letter encourages you to think that some men, even men who go to Hooters, are capable of thinking of women as something other than a sexual object.

Always,

#My_Name()

p.s. You may or may not be thinking that I'm the kind of man who goes to strip clubs. You would be wrong to assume that. I find topless bars and strip clubs repulsive because those establishments do not worry about service and function solely on the basis of women's physical qualities. That disgusts me.



Ms. Broyles:

I expected some kind of dissenting argument when I saw "On The Right." Granted, I am not a frequent reader either of the Atlanta Journal Constitution or your column, so I do not know what to expect from you or your colleague.

I understand that, as a woman, you have grown up with different experiences than I have. Classically, men have been in charge of the world, making women subservient and trying to stop any feminists from accomplishing the reasonable and respectable goal of equality between men and women. However, Hooters is no more responsible for that than the original National Airline's old "Come Fly Me" advertisements, where "Fly" was understood to be a euphemism for another word beginning with F. Rather, it is a result of that.

Even still, some men, myself included, are capable of looking above the neckline at the person who is just trying to make an honest buck. Hooters has decent food and friendly service. If it didn't, I wouldn't go there. It doesn't matter how scantily clad the young woman is, I won't go there if the service isn't worth it. I have, in fact, walked out of Hooters restaurants where the service was below my expectations.

I realize that I am a rare type of man, the kind who can go into a Hooters and see women for people instead of "breasts and buns," but Hooters is hardly responsible for the behavior of these other men. I am of the opinion that people should be allowed to use their talents and gifts, including beauty, for the purpose of making a living. I do not let those talents, mental or physical, blind me to the person inside.

I have been on Airliners.net, an airline-industry web site where the topic of Hooters Air has come up. I have seen posts by people who I thought were as left-wing liberal as they come express their interest in flying Hooters and joining the "mile-high" club. This upset me a great deal, since many of these young women are my friends, both women I have met at Hooters and elsewhere. I have seen people who I thought would have posted misogynist statements turn around and blast those liberals people for their ill-informed comments.

It is a complex world we live in. We have to learn not to blame symptoms for causing illness.

Please post the replies elwood64151 when you get them.

I didn't read any of the comments but i'm sure i'm not the first to say, What a load of feminist bullshit!

What annoys me the most is this:

oh man screw that, the whole lot annoys me. They are basically saying 'women shouldn't fly Hooters air, because its degrading'. This is just her opinion, neither want to fly Hooters air because they know that those girls are earning money just because they look good, and not because of their intelligence, and they are obviously jealous! .

With whom do you agree?
I agree with Vernadette. 7% 60
I agree with Diane. 6% 53
Neither one has it right. 43% 365
I agree with parts of both. 43% 364
Total Votes 842


Hey all,

looks like the voting has taken a turn - for those of you who don't believe this rubbish, vote now!

Man Elwood64151, you put it a lot better then I did. I was typing a lot more with my heart, because when someone has a "not literal" desire for a plane that my coworkers, friends, or even myself could be on would crash, I take it personal.

I feel exactly the same way you do. The girls at Hooters are so friendly and positive, why wouldn't a guy want to be around them, as opposed to someone like Mrs. Glass.

The real problem is though, these are just not two women's opinions. These are two women's opinions who have the power to publish them and sway the publics thoughts who otherwise would be undecided. The real evil is that Mrs. Glass is lying to do just that.

I don't think she'll reply anymore.

What if the airline (and the restaurant) was called "Tits Air?" Do you think it would create a hue and cry? After all we all know what Hooters is a euphemism for?

Frankly, I think that Hooters is just a more approcheable, egalitarian version of the now defunct Playboy Clubs. As men and women become more comfortable with their own sexuality, such places won't even raise an eyebrow.

Until Tony Soprano starts "Bada Bing Airways."

I went to Hooters for the first time a couple of days ago in YOW, and like any other horny teenager I couldn't stop smiling. I loved that place, beautiful women, great food, and I was treated with unbelievable service.

I emailed both of these "ladies" and yes I put ladies in quotes. I sent them last night.

Here is a copy of my email to Ms. Glass...

Where did you research your facts before writing this article?

I understand that you are one of those NOW members that are upset when men have a little fun, but there is more to this airline than a cheap peep show.


""If gratuitous associations with half clad women next to a basket of wings isn't demonstrative of women as props, what is?""

Ok, again where do you get your facts? Half clad? They wear short shorts and halter tops. Half clad means they would be walking around in bikinis or topless. What are they supposed to do? Walk around in pant suits? If you look in most bars, women are dressed far less than the women in Hooters, even a lot of other restaurants the women are dressed just as scantily clad. Why Hooters? Because they are a successful business? Does it bother you that they are successful?

""The clientele aren't going there for the wings and they aren't reading Playboy for the articles.""

I do go there for the food. Yes, the women are beautiful, I am a straight 28 year old male. If Hooters served terrible food, there are plenty of other restaurants with beautiful women I could go to instead. Most nude bars serve some sort of food, and the women are dressed far less. Would I go to a nude bar for food? Probably no. I happen to think that Hooter's hamburgers taste far better than McDonalds, Burger King etc. Yes, I do like Hooters Wings and I have not found another restaurant that serves as good of wings as Hooters. Like I said, if men went to Hooters just for the women and not the food, they would be out of business by now because the men could go to a nude bar and get food and see naked women.

""You start to think that maybe the small things --and the small companies --do matter. Small things multiplied have an effect.""

Hooters isn't exactly a small company. They started out with one restaurant in Clear Water Florida in 1983 and have grown into a huge multistate restaurant chain. If I am not mistaken they are international.

""No doubt, many men (and women) will choose to fly Hooters. They choose shiny objects over safety.""

Once again, you did no research before writing this.

Delta Airlines is contracted to do maintenance in Atlanta for Hooters.

I want you to find an Aviation disaster history book before you try to spout out that this is an unsafe airline. Delta mechanics are some of the best in the aviation business as a whole and Hooters Air is lucky to have them working on their planes. The last time that Delta has had a fatal crash was in 1985 in Dallas and that was due to windshear during a thunderstorm.

**But no worries. This is just the Darwinian way of weeding out the weaker of the species. They have to go someway, why not die while having some hot wings and eye candy on the way down? We euthanize animals in pain, surely we can spare the mentally challenged a few blessed last moments of life.**

You just discredited this whole article with this asinine statement, not that this article had much credibility to begin with. Basically all that you really are saying in this article is that you are a man hater. That is all that you have proven.

""But those of us who care to spend our money more wisely,""

I have flown almost every U.S. airline that there is and have received bad service or bad experiences at one time or another on most carriers. You are judging this airline before you even have flown on it. Do you know the facts ma'am?

First of all, the flight attendants are not scantily clad women, or necessarily women. The flight attendants are going to be dressed in rather conservative but casual clothing. There will be two Hooters girls on board the flight to act as Ambassadors, but they are not the flight attendants. I am sure the airline will not have a barlike atmosphere. I have no idea when I will get the opportunity to try them out because they do not serve Detroit yet, but I am willing to give them a chance. This airline might offer the best service yet. If the airline takes off on time and lands on time, doesn't lose your luggage and gives you good service, isn't that good enough for you to fly them? Or would you rather fly through a major hub airline who departs an hour late, loses or breaks your luggage because they don't have scantily clad women?

In other words, you say that your ultra liberal Feminist views are more important on your flight than you getting good service and not losing your luggage. Since Hooters Air right now does not have a hub and it is a point to point airline, it is likely not to lose your luggage.

""There is one outstanding factor that will turn away most women: Hooters caters to men.""

Most women? No, just the women that hate men and are very militant feminists.

""But when airlines are going under, limiting your passengers to a single demographic seems very small picture.""

Are you sure about that? That's actually a pretty big demographic of 30 years and I am sure that the demographic could go higher too than 54.

British Airways caters mainly to the upper class and businessmen and that covers a smaller demographic than what you described and yet they are one of the most successful airlines. I mentioned earlier about Hooters Restaurants being one of the fastest expanding restaurant chains in the past 10 years. Who says they couldn't do the same with their airline?

""Not only does Hooters repel women by not embracing them, they insult them with stereotypes.""

Again, maybe not the pantsuit briefcase toting man hating type of women that you are. Everytime that I have gone to Hooters I have seen a lot of women as patrons there, whether with their boyfriends or by themselves. I suppose that you would dismiss all of the female patrons as lesbians before you would consider that yes maybe they happen to like the food.

As for stereotyping, you are stereotyping the company and making it sound as if it is a cheap peep show nude bar that happens to serve some food.

Have you ever been inside a Hooters? You seem to like to judge things before you know the facts. Where did you take your journalism courses? How did you pass?

""Besides, there are other discount airlines. Airtran is still around and they don't require women to wear hot pants. Airtran is known for "delivering the best flying experience to smart travelers""

I have nothing against Air Tran, although I never flew them since they do not fly to Detroit. I would like to give them a chance.

But did you know that Air Tran is Valujet in disguise? Remember Valujet? You know the airline with some of the worst safety records in the 90s? You remember the crash in the everglades in 1996? The company that loaded tires next to oxygen tanks resulting in a fire in the cargo hold bringing the plane down in the everglades, no survivors. Valujet had many other incidents before and after too. This is the airline that the government shut down for almost a year. It just so happens that Valujet took over a small Orlando based airline called Air Tran and took their name to cover up the Valujet name, and then they repainted their aircraft.

Would you rather crash in the everglades because someone misloaded some cargo or would you rather arrive safely on "God forbid" Hooters Air?

""Do I fly on a post 9/11 airline because they offer safe travel or do I fly on an airline to see women in tight T-shirts? That's a tough one -- for some.""

Read above. Do your research on Air Tran and you will indeed find out that they used to be Valujet which was the most unsafe airline in the 90s. Hooters Air is operated by PACE Airlines which has had no fatal crashes as of yet. PACE Airlines has been around for a while before Hooters got involved.

I think if you do your research better, you will find that Hooters Air who has their maintenance done by Delta is a safer airline than Air Tran.

""I'll just have to pray that this too shall pass. Besides, maybe they'll go bust.""

I feel that I am really lowering my standards responding to some of your statements. I thought you feminists were supposed to be intelligent thinking women, but you are proving that you are not. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I am a supporter of freedom of speech, but I find this to be one of the stupidest articles I ever read. I rarely respond to articles, but I had to with this one. I had to let you know how ridiculous this was. Keep Praying that it will pass, because if this airline has the track record that their restaurants do, they will be competing with Southwest Airlines.

I am posting the second email to the other lady here, I didnt want to make a long post.

Here is my email to that Bernadette Lady on the right hand side...

Although I did not agree with your article and I do not really care much for radical feminists, you at least made your article sound plausible unlike Ms. Glass who took cheap shots at Hooters Air and posted false and unresearched "facts".

You at least sounded intelligent until your ending statement.

""Hopefully, then, this ill-conceived venture will go out of business before it ever really gets off the ground.""

I thought that was uncalled for in this day and age with our bad economy. Basically what you are saying is that you want people to lose their jobs- that means - pilots, ground crew, luggage handlers, ticket agents, flight attendants (who are not Hooters Girls) would lose their jobs. But guess what? Those two Hooters girls on each flight probably wouldn't, they would just be put back to work waitressing at the nearest Hooters Restaurant.

I thought that was a really inappropriate remark from a woman who is supposed to be a good journalist.

Would you like it if Atlanta Journal came up to you and said "we are dropping the woman to woman column, we don't have another column for you to write- we don't need you bye bye."

Its not nice wishing the loss of jobs on other people like that.

Actually, your statement's about AirTran being unsafe are a little unfounded, but you make a good point. ValueJet is AirTran, and she's making the statement that she'd rather fly AirTran and feel safe than Hooters and feel like she was going to die do to unprofessionalism and incompetence.

Obviously, she's speaking out of an ultra-liberal feminist (nay, Femi-NAZI, as Rush Limbaugh puts it) view point.

(Not a fan of Rush, but he's got some good points occasionally).

Actually, AirTran is pretty safe. But Hooters isn't going to be crashing because it's run by Robert Brooks.

Oh, yeah. No replies from either woman yet.

I am lazy and I feel all those words bashing hooters, I am not gonna use any words to say why men should fly on them, I will just show you this



Now, would you fly em? I know I would  

Ben Pritchard

Those that continue to equate the current AirTran to ValuJet, somehow insinuating that it is unsafe, (Dazed767, HlywdCatft, et.al.) are just as uniformed as the women you criticize. Even Elwood64151, a former AirTran employee, says "ValuJet is AirTran". You must not have learned much during your time there.

Let me ask this question of anyone on this board about "Hooters Air". Does anyone know who actually operates these aircraft? In other words, who are the pilots and FAs employed by? And even though Robert Brooks recently bought this company, he doesn't "run" it, as has also been suggessted in this thread.  

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M717:

I'm thinking your question is rhetorical but I'll answer it anyway. "Hooters Air" is operated by Pace Airlines. The aircraft belong to Pace, and the name on all the employees paychecks is Pace.

Also I don't think anyone here was implying that AirTran is unsafe because it merged with Valujet. They're just stating the fact that Valujet is a big part of what AirTran is today. It doesn't make them unsafe, but it is a fact of life.

M717:

The flights are operated by Pace Airlines, and the maintenence is handled by Delta. We've been over this earlier in the post.

Dazed767 is my best friend, and we're best friends with a supervisor for Air Tran. Research my username and see how mant times I've (we've) stuck up for Air Tran.

You are new, so let me give you some advice. Before you post, read all the replies.

Ben (LGW)

Come on now, using my photo w/out giving me credit? You know better!  

I don't wanna have to put a copywrite across that pretty face.  

Brian - SPOT THIS!

I would not post something if I did not know the facts. I know some insiders, that's how I get my info.

I wasn't saying that Air Tran was unsafe, because I am sure it is very safe now that the government probably is watching over them a lot since the Valujet days, plus they are flying new 717 aircraft.

But that one woman is implying that Hooters Air is unsafe just because it is "Hooters".

I was informing her on the history of Air Tran just to make her think next time before writing the bull$*** that she wrote.

We all agree that Valujet took the Air Tran name because of its reputation before as Valujet, and didn't want to keep that name, am I correct?

Anyone here from Detroit and hear the Drew and Mike Morning show on 101.1 FM WRIF call up Hooters Air yesterday? It was pretty funny.

In regards to post 36...don't those overheads have weight limits of like 80 lbs. or something??

With regards to the topic at hand...based on the woman's original article and the replies received from your excellently phrased emails to her...it appears this woman is completely misinformed, more naive than (insert typically naive organism here), and is probably just out to flame people with sexist remarks...I have a few more choice words to describe this woman, notably a 7 letter word whose first three letters are a synonym for a donkey...you can figure out the rest...

Greg

This is my response to Ms. Glass:

Ms. Glass,
My name is Bryan Painter, and I am an avid aviation enthusiast. I recently came across an article written by you, "Should women fly on Hooters Air". To say the least, I am very distraught at your bias, tunnelvision, feminist views. Allow me to take a second to analyze and critique a few excerpts from your article in which your ignorance to the facts negate:

"Still, Hooters does have it's unlikely supporters. Hooters isn't the root of sexism or objectification my neighboring male co-worker argues confidently, as I tilt my head."

So you're saying that just because there are two Hooters gals on each flight as representatives from the restuarant chain objectification automatically becomes a prevalent factor in enticing passengers? I think not. If you want to go that far, you should be discontent with Southwest Airlines. Southwest Airlines began operations in 1973, inta-Texas operations, in which their flight attendants wore very short mini-skirt cowgirl uniforms for a time.


"No doubt, many men (and women) will choose to fly Hooters. They choose shiny object over safety. But no worries. This is just the Darwinian way of weeding out the weaker of the species. they have to go someday, why not die while having some hot wings and eye candy on the way down? We euthanize animals in pain, surely we can spare the mentally challenged a few blessed last moments of life.

But those of us who care to spend our money more wisely, and expand our cash for services that cater to us, there is one oustanding factor that will turn away most women: Hooters caters to men. Seventy percent of their clientele are men between the ages of 25 and 54. Clearly, Hooters knows their audience. But when airlines are going under, limiting your passengers to a sing demographic seems very small picture."

Choose to fly shiny objects over safety? Ummm hello! Delta Air Lines does all of Hooters maintenance. Delta has not had a fatal accident since 1985, when one of their L-1011's experienced heavy windshear on approach to DFW (Dallas-Ft. Worth International Airport). Even so, that accident was not maintanence-related. Also on the same subject of safety, all Hooters Air aircraft are piloted by FAA-certified personnel, as well as having 3 FAA-certified flight attendants on-board. As you seem ignorant to all of the other facts, I might as well go ahead and tell you that Hooters bought out PACE Airlines, which handled a multitude of sports-related charter operations. Nothing has really changed form the PACE set-up except that the aircraft are re-painted and carry two Hooters gals. The pilots, flight attendants, and all other employees are still PACE Airlines personnel. Through PACE's history, not one fatality has been caused by the airline. It is also disturbing that you call people who choose to fly on Hooters Air "mentally challenged". Nothing would please me more than for you to stand up infront of a 737-200 loaded full of businesspeople and tell them that they are mentally challenged. I can guarantee that the majority of them have more schooling and are far more intelligent than you are. It almost seems that you are mocking the mentally challenged. Come on, have a little more self-confidence! I mean, you don't have to go so far as to mock yourself! Has it ever become apparent to you that most buinesspeople are men? When you need to get from Myrtle Beach or Newark (Newark also serves the New York City market) the fastest and easiest way possible, and Hooters Air offers you great service for an excellent price, why the heck not?

"Not only does Hooters repel women by not embracing them, they insult them with stereotypes."

I have yet to hear a news release staing that Hooters Air are turning women away from the doors of their aircraft. In the airline business, every seat with an ass in it is making the airline that much more money. The last thing ANY airline would do is not encourage women or anyone for that matter to fly with them. Hooters? Stereotypical? Last time I checked most of the personnel employed by Hooters are women, so obviously they do not insult them stereotypically. If you don't want to serve food in a tight orange shirt, and pants, then don't. I can assure you, other women will do it very willingly because that's what brings the dough home to feed little Johnny.

"I'd rather lose a few dollars on a flight than sell my self respect and barter my dignity. Besides there are other discount airlines. AirTran is still around and they don't require women to wear hot pants. AirTran is known for "delivering the best flying experience to smart travelers.".....Do I fly on a post 9/11 airline because they offer safe travel or do I fly on an airline to see women in tight t-shirts."

Yeah, well there are also other low-cost carriers out there like Southwest. Go fly on them too. They at one time had such "objectifiaction" as you would say. Also coming on to the market is Delta's low-cost carrier Song Air. I can't wait to read your article entitled: "Don't fly Song Air because their parent company provides the maintanence for a sexist airline". What does 9/11 have to do with airline safety? If anything, the safety precautions post-9/11 are much higher than pre-9/11. If you look back through the years you will come across an airline named ValuJet. ValuJet had a fleet of McDonnell Douglas DC-9 aircraft, and offered price-effective travel. The airline experienced a series of accidents, and even had their certificate to provide passenger transit revoked. To resume operations and to cover up a publically-shamed name, ValuJet merged with a small carrier called AirTran. They took the AirTran name, and repainted their aircraft. In reality, it is the same thing. So don't go off on a tangent about the airline being un-safe.

"I'll just have to pray that this too shall pass. Besides, maybe they'll go bust."

Oh that's a wonderful thing to say. Go tell that to the airline's employees and their families. Without this airline, many people would be un-employed today and not have the means to support themselves. This is a positive turn in trying to turn our ailing economy around. "Small things have a multiplied effect," as you would say.

I have one more thing to say to you. Even though I promised that I wouldn't bring myself down to this level, it must be said: It's liberal Nazi feminist b**ch*s like you that go shooting their mouths off about one aspect of a situation, and then end up getting their a$$es slammed for their ignorance of the complete matter at hand. Every time people like you end up adding in their two cents, I feel like giving them change back.

Sincerely yours (yeah right),
Bryan S. Painter

(Some of the more-explicit language has been edited in this post)

I wish we had Hooters Air up in Canada.

Oh well, I have a good friend in ATL so maybe I'll get a chance to try it out.