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SJCguy
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Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:26 pm

Last night, during our mini-rain storm at SJC, the pilots were apparently all using the de-icers on the engine cowlings/wing leads. The plane came in (N511SW) and we offloaded/loaded. We had a couple pieces of baggage left by the number 2 engine which I went over to pick up, using the engine to brace my bending over...the cowling on full de-ice mode. My left hand now has 16 individual blisters. A word of advice...don't touch that cowling, rampers, if it's raining or snowing. I learned the hard way!

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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:33 pm

Metal conducts heat. Engines get hot! Engines are metal  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:54 pm

I think that anything that produces that much thrust and and move a serveral tons of aluminum 500 mph through the air would be just a bit on the warm side  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Sun Apr 27, 2003 3:24 pm

Yeah, there is some heat comming off those engines.

I swear you look at the cowls on a Lear 25 and you can see the white paint cooking brown from the temps.
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Sun Apr 27, 2003 3:32 pm

in my expereince the engines dissapate heat very quickley, anything heated though with the heat turned on doestnt... static ports.. pitot tubes... not good things to touch.. try blowing in a pitiot tube thats turned on.. big whoops
 
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Sun Apr 27, 2003 4:00 pm

This reminds me of an old David Letterman "Top Ten" list. The category was "Top 10 signs you wont win the Physics Nobel Prize" and one of the items was

Your thesis title: "Yee Ouch - Them Pins is Pointy"

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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:05 am

You should try frying an egg on the top and then take a picture for us.
 
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:51 am

Did anyone call the darwin award people?



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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Mon Apr 28, 2003 1:03 am

Re: Darwin award: He didn't die, just a burn. Maybe if he leans on the engine to take a smoke break or something...

[Edited 2003-04-27 18:03:54]
 
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Mon Apr 28, 2003 1:32 am

Yeah that anti-ice will do it to ya... don't touch the pitot tube either. :p
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Mon Apr 28, 2003 2:53 am

>>>the cowling on full de-ice mode.

Before you leave folks with the erroneous impression that something was left "on" when it shouldn't have been, allow me to point out that the anti-ice on the engine cowlings is provided by engine bleed air, which is present ONLY when the engines are running. As they were not during the ground turn, what you were feeling was residual heat. Note that the pitot-static and other probes are -electrically- powered, and should never be touched.
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Mon Apr 28, 2003 5:27 am

and for those of you trying to figure out what SJC did, the "cowling" part he touched was the lower lip of the air intake...

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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Mon Apr 28, 2003 5:33 am

SJCguy:

Sorry to hear about it -- good thing you're reasonably OK.

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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Mon Apr 28, 2003 5:52 am

L-188 - if you ever want to see something really cool, get one of the night mx guys to uncowl the 25 and pull some power. If you watch the hot section, it gets translucent. You can actually see the blades of the T-wheel spinning. A little unnerving, but very, very cool. Of course, you might have to wait til October for it to get dark enough for you to see it now.  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:02 am

2 words...DIP SHIT!!! hope your hand gets better...
 
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:03 am

sue! sue! Call the tough, smart lawyers!  Big grin
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 6:03 am

Next time go up and test the Pitot Tubes and then report to us.
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 6:23 am

Don't feel bad... Back in 1994 I was a fueler at CLT. I wasn't using my brain, and while fueling an EMB-120, I got the bright idea to rest my hand up on the pitot tube. Allot of screaming and 10 minutes later, I managed to pry my hand off of the tube minus a few layers of skin and plus a few second and third degree burns.

I also got myself blown off the top of a fuel truck, but that is another story.
 
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 6:33 am

Ok...this is kind of funny, could have been serious but it wasn't....

My freind Don used to work for US here in MSY as a ramp agent and then as a CSA for several years. Anyway, one day on the ramp, he crawled into the bin of a 737, and started unloading the jet. Once he was finished, the guy helping him back the belt loader away from the aircraft, as Don was just about ready to jump out. Well, he didn't jump out, he fell out, right onto his back. He said he lost balance and all of the ramp agents started laughing. Could have hurt himself nicely, but he was ok. I always tell him "man at least it was a -300 and not an Airbus!" Ouch!!! That story still gives me a chuckle and I like to tease him about it all the time. All in good fun of course, he's a good guy.  Smile


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Give Him A Break...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:02 am

SJCguy- I feel your pain. It's funny how some of these responses are from people who probably have no clue, or had no clue that the engines have that capability in the cowling. Plus, at least out West, 99.99999999% of the time, the pilots do not use them therefore, touching the engine for whatever reason is routine. Get over yourself people....

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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:05 am

Sea NW Dc10 I think you need to step back a little and think. Some of us might know what we are talking about, we are busting his chops so what? Maybe some of us know what we are talking about more than you.
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:46 am

Apathoid.

Personally I think we ought to leave the cowls of for flight and mount some helicopter style cable cutters on the airframe.


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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 10:57 am

Accident report anyone? Did you fill out a an accident report? Yeah, I know the last thing you want to do when your trying to get those bags to the baggage claim belt but hay...tomorrow will be another day and like I was told at my last job, when I injured myself, "If you had not told us today, tomorrow you would have been SOL"
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 12:16 pm

No question about it, SEA NWDC10, this scene attracts a lot of macho-bullshit personalities who are always looking for the next smart-ass, off-the-cuff remark that they think makes them sound cool. Piss on them. The guy burned his hand badly and he didn't stick in on the exhaust nozzle or in a deep-fat fryer at the fry shop. There is nothing intuitively stupid about touching an intake cowling on a plane sitting idle with engines off. He should have been warned, that's all. Somebody is responsible for not warning him. Save the smart alec remarks for that dumbass.

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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 12:24 pm

Evidently he didn't burn his hands bad enough to keep him from typing on here. I mean I know A.net is an addiction, but please....

Then again this is why I don't tell other paleontologists how I blew my back out in december.


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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Tue Apr 29, 2003 11:19 pm

Hmmm... you're right we shouldn't take responsibility for our actions anymore. What was I thinking.

SeaNW DC10- since you feel you actually know what you're talking about - why don't you tell us what happens to the tempurature as you increase in altitude? Then tell us what happens to water when it below freezing? Then tell us exactly what engine anti/deice is for? Then you can report back that no matter where you are in the world engine anti/deice could be necessary.

How does your foot taste?

SJC - dude - sorry your hand was injured - not poking fun of the injury but WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?


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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:28 am

That's strange. I run my hands around the lip of nose cowls every day as part of my arrival check. If the plane arrived using engine anti-ice the intake can be very warm (residual heat as OPNLguy wrote) but I've never seen it hot enough to burn (unlike a turned on pitot tube, angle of attack vane, etc).

But this might have been one of those things.

I take it we're talking about a 737.
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Wed Apr 30, 2003 6:48 am

I think it's funny that everyone with "FuturePilot" and "FlightSim Captain" usernames are calling this guy a dip-sh!t. If you guys ever made it to the ramp, you would touch exactly where SJCguy did. You probably would spin the fan blades as well, possibly losing a finger in the process. What SJCguy did was an honest mistake.
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Wed Apr 30, 2003 6:54 am

Come on DL_Mech-We are going to poke fun on here, because he is a friend on A.net, whats the big deal? Get a sense of humor man.

I guess I would put my whole hand between the fan blades and spin it. Because, I guess I don't know what I am talking about.

Perhaps Southwest should teach a class about not touching an engine after it has been flying? If he had bumped into it, that would have been a different story.
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Wed Apr 30, 2003 8:06 am

Of course he's "responsible", his hand got burned. No one paid a bigger price but him for him not being warned about the invisible danger of intake cowling temperatures. He's not suing, he's not even complaining. I'm complaining. I'm complaining about the "dipshits" who think they're I.C.T.S technicians, "Intake Cowling Temperature Specialists", and thus become smart-asses and make dumbass remarks about his injuring himself. Of course, I'm just pissing in the wind trying to make a difference here. I just hope some of my piss lands on them.
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Thanks Guys

Wed Apr 30, 2003 10:55 am

I seroiusly, after years at this website, cannot fathom the immaturity running thru here...amazing. It really doesn't seem to end, and that's kind of a downfall to working in the airline industry. You deal with little girl no-it-alls, be it a guy or girl, all the time, oh well. Thanks for the support from the few out there who know that touching a cowling is a routine action being out on the ramp. I have been at WN for 5 years as a Ramp Supervisor, and at Alaska for a year before that, and have not once seen or heard of a 737 cowling being heated to that proportion while being on the ground. Good thing I didn't jump up and sit on it, eh?

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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Wed Apr 30, 2003 11:01 am

I'll ignore the first part of the previous post. But me personally, I would not touch an aircrafts engine, unless it has been idle for quite a while, how long was it idle for when you touched it?
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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:11 pm

Almost happened to me once at MSP. I was down on the ramp at the UPS section where my dad used to work. He signaled the plane in, and then the engines cut out. I almost went to touch it because I'd figure it's warm. Then this guy named "Smokey Joe" stopped me and told me the many consequences! I was very close!! That sucks that you hurt your hand......

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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Wed Apr 30, 2003 1:24 pm

In regards to the "know it all" posts, I hired a person from airliners.net a few years ago at Great Lakes. He lasted a week. That's how much he "knew" about ramp safety and customer service.

So I'll stand up for SJC and agree w/ you.. most of the people here have never stepped foot on a ramp, let alone try to turn a plane with 130 to 300 bags in 25 minutes.

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RE: Youch! Engine Cowling Very Hot...

Wed Apr 30, 2003 3:41 pm

One thing people haven't covered here is complacency. When you work day after day around anything, things can get pretty routine. I'm on the safety team at work (yeah, I know I'm a safety geek), and you should see some of the national reports I see. Someone could be the safest most knowedgable person on the ramp and just have one slip that messes everything up. [email protected] happens, get over it.
I hope you feel better sjc, I sure miss working with those SouthWest guys. A real bunch of pros.
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