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Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Tue Jun 17, 2003 8:51 pm

Sweet! First WestJet now WN.

Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-700 Fleet Takes Wing with Sleek New Look
Tuesday June 17, 6:01 am ET
- Aviation Partners Boeing to Provide 169 Blended Winglets Shipsets - Boeing Offers Blended Winglets on In-Production 737-700s


LeBOURGET, France, June 17 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV - News), one of the world 's most successful airlines, will add performance-enhancing Blended Winglets to its current and future fleet of Boeing (NYSE: BA - News) 737--700s.

The visually distinctive winglets improve performance by extending the airplane's range, saving fuel, lowering engine maintenance costs and reducing takeoff noise.

"Southwest, the industry's low-cost provider, is keen on finding innovative ways to keep our operating costs in check so we can continue to provide low fares to millions more Americans," said Laura Wright, Southwest's vice president of Finance. "This technology is one way we can gain efficiencies in our operation and save money while we grow."

Aviation Partners Boeing, a joint venture between Aviation Partners Inc. and Boeing, will provide 169 Blended Winglet shipsets to Southwest. It is the single largest sale for the venture since its creation. The first Blended Winglet installation for Southwest is expected to begin October 2003 with all 169 installations to be completed within two years. Southwest has options to acquire 373 additional Blended Winglets through 2012. For an image of the winglets on the Southwest livery, go to http://www.southwest.com/about_swa/press/0306_blended_winglets.html .

"Southwest 's commitment provides further testament to the aggressive uptick in Blended Winglet sales worldwide," said Aviation Partners Boeing CEO Mike Marino. "This landmark order demonstrates to the airline world, in no uncertain terms, that Blended Winglet technology is not just for the long-haul carriers anymore."

Dallas-based Southwest Airlines currently operates 133 737-700s, and is scheduled to begin receiving in-production winglets in fall 2004 when it will have 373 firm orders, options and purchase rights remaining. Previously offered as a standard option on 737-800s and Boeing Business Jets (BBJ), and as a retrofit on 737- 700s and 737-800s, advanced winglets now are available as standard options from Aviation Partners Boeing on 737-700s.

"Southwest Airlines' history of success is built on taking people directly where they want to go, when they want to go," said Carolyn Corvi, 737/757 vice president and general manager. "The aerodynamic benefits of winglets will allow Southwest to serve its passengers with greater efficiency. By expanding this option to in-production 737-700s, Boeing can enhance the value of an already great airplane family."

Boeing continues to assess the applicability of winglets on 737-600s and 737-900s.

Unlike traditional winglets that attach at abrupt angles to the wing, Blended Winglets gently curve out and up from the wingtip, reducing aerodynamic drag and increasing performance. The 8-foot high winglets add about 5 feet (1.5 meters) to the airplane 's total wingspan and allow the 737-700 to fly up to 115 nautical miles (213 kilometers) farther and reduce fuel burn. As a result, Southwest is expected to save an average of up to 92,000 gallons (348,258 liters) of jet fuel per airplane per year. Improved performance will permit payload increases out of high, hot and obstacle-limited airports, as well as shorten the time its takes to climb to cruising altitude. Besides improving range and fuel savings, winglets offer excellent environmental benefits including reduced noise and emissions.

More than 28 carriers currently fly nearly 300 737s equipped with winglets.

Southwest Airlines, the fourth largest domestic carrier in terms of customers
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Tue Jun 17, 2003 9:51 pm

It will be interesting to see if they ever decide to do the same for the 733 fleet now that Aviation Partners has certified winglets on that model too.
 
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Tue Jun 17, 2003 9:58 pm

Do you suppose we'll end up seeing new blue winglets on old brown 737-700s or will the aircraft be repainted when they receive the winglets?

The artist's rendition is very attractive. Look forward to seeing these planes!
 
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Tue Jun 17, 2003 11:14 pm

Doesn't come as a surprise, and I will enjoy taking photos of these birds out in KSAN when I'm there for one of my frequent long stays. Kudos to WN.

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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Tue Jun 17, 2003 11:32 pm

This makes no sense to me.

Considering WN's average segment length is something like 450 miles, and the winglets work better the longer you fly, I can't see any advantage to WN for operating them.

AA and DL did not buy winglets for their 738 for this very reason, the average segment length would not be long enough for the fuel savings to offset the added costs of the winglets, or so I was told by a member of AA management.
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Winglets

Tue Jun 17, 2003 11:49 pm

Well, the 737-700s are the long haulers for the fleet. They are beginning longer and longer routes; particularly from Las Vegas, Baltimore, and Phoenix--I can see the benefits. The -300s, -500s, and -200s do majority of the short haul flights anyway.
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Wed Jun 18, 2003 1:17 am

Drerx7,

Eventually the -200s will be gone, in 10 years, you might see a phaseout of the -300s and -500s as well. At some point in time, this planes will (inefficiently) fly shorter routes.

Oh well, I'm sure WN has done their homework. I would bet they got the winglets at 50% or more off of list.
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Wed Jun 18, 2003 1:21 am

Brons2,

I think WN's 737-300/500 fleet will stay around for another 15 years. Boeing could develop a quieter engine nacelle design for the 737-300/400/500 series that can be retrofitted to current planes and the planes will meet the upcoming ICAO Stage IV noise standards easily.
 
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Wed Jun 18, 2003 1:40 am



Looks very good.

[Edited 2003-06-17 18:46:31]
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Wed Jun 18, 2003 1:42 am

... about the segment length and why WN would get winglets.

I fly WN a lot and although I have no idea how they fleet out their schedule, I have hardly ever been on a 700 on a short leg, and almost always when flying over many states. And the times I have been on a 700 on a very short leg, my getting off point was just a stop on a route that most others stayed on board for - like heading on to PHX or LAS or something like that.

Seems to me that WN wouldn't do this unless they KNEW it would save them $$$.
 
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Brons2...

Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:25 am

I'm sure Southwest is not going into this in the dark, dont'cha agree? Like mentioned above, probably 100% of WN's long hauls, and there are plenty, are done with the 73G, which will have the winglets. Their short hauls are done with the 3's and 5's which, for now, wont have the winglets. It makes perfect sense. And why wouldn't Delta and American get them for their -800's? They do long hauls with those, don't they? You say they didn't get the winglets for that very reason...that's slightly contradicting.

Anyways, I've said it before and I'll say it again, WN's management knows what's up!

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737NG Winglets

Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:31 am

"ten years-phase out of -300s and -500s" I doubt it; the 500s are fairly new aircraft, I believe you will see -300s and -500s in the fleet as long as you saw the -200s.
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:37 am

Our Management has said themselves that we expect to be an entire 73G fleet by 2011.....but who knows until that date gets closer.

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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:42 am

I seriously doubt the other NG operators have the funds lying around for installing the winglets on their fleets. At a list price of $1,000,000 per ship set. That can be a big chunk of change. Especially so when just the survival of the network carriers is in question during these troubled times...

I had heard that we were looking at getting the winglets about 6 months ago. So its been something that corporate has looked into pretty indepth. I'm sure our management has made the right decision.

[Edited 2003-06-17 20:43:52]
 
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Wed Jun 18, 2003 3:48 am

Do you suppose we'll end up seeing new blue winglets on old brown 737-700s or will the aircraft be repainted when they receive the winglets?

I would think that we will see the the winglets in the "Puke" and "Canyon" liverys.
At the rate the 169 winglet sets installed in two years (7 aircraft a month) it would be unlikely that South West would repaint "Puke's" with perfectly good paint jobs.
 
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Wed Jun 18, 2003 5:15 am

Our Management has said themselves that we expect to be an entire 73G fleet by 2011.....but who knows until that date gets closer.

Thank you, that is what I was talking about.

And why wouldn't Delta and American get them for their -800's? They do long hauls with those, don't they? You say they didn't get the winglets for that very reason...that's slightly contradicting.

According to my source, the average stage length at AA for the 738 is between 900 and 1000 miles. I suppose that isn't extremely short haul, but it's not exactly long haul either.

As for WN, I guess as long as they have 3/5/700, they have a viable strategy, NG long, classics short, but what happens when the 3/500 go away? Maybe Boeing will have developed a narrowbody replacement for the 737 and 757 at that point?
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:17 am

A 1000 miles flight is about two hours- I consider that a long flight, for domestic, anyhow.
Additionally, AA flies the 738 on even longer routes, like DFW-BWI and such. I think it would be a cost saving retrofit in that case.
However... I will let American make that decision, AFTER they figure out how to stay in business. I flew them this past weekend. In spite of all the bad experiences I have had with AA, I really hope they survive to become a better airline... and everyone keeps their jobs.

I am THRILLED Southwest is going for this. It's great to me- winglets on 737NG's look so... sporty. It ALMOST turns the 737 into a sporty-looking aircraft! Haha.

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Brons-

Wed Jun 18, 2003 11:22 am

I don't think you have been paying close attention to Southwest's "growth" these past couple years. We haven't been opening up stations. We have been connecting the dots, opening many long haul flights; LAX-BWI, SJC-BWI, PHX-PVD, PHX-DTW to name a few. These long haul flights are done on the -700 exclusively. Those -700's need somthing to make them more fuel efficient, and that is why we have ordered winglets. How can this not benefit us? As we build our fleet of -700's and shrink our fleet of 2,3, and 500's (hasn't happened with the 3 and 5 yet), we will at the same time be opening even more long hauls. The start of these winglets on most of our -700's is a start to such expansion.

I personally think AA and DL haven't gotten the winglets for their -800's simply because AA and DL do not have the means to. SJC-ORD isn't exactly short haul (AA), and winglets would definitely be of benefit. Same with CO and their NG's.

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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Wed Jun 18, 2003 11:30 am

"Puke" and "Crayon".

At times, the amount of respect in these forums is nearly overwhelming.

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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Thu Jun 19, 2003 12:26 am

Ummm.....didn't you folks think the they have plans to expand and start longer hauls? Come on people.

I think they have the moeny to do it, and the opportunity to expand is getting closer as we get nearer to one of the big 6 dropping out of the skies for good. I give them credit. I think it's smart.

Also, it's great news for photographers.
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Thu Jun 19, 2003 12:29 am

"Puke" and "Crayon"

He "Canyon", not "Crayon".

"Canyon" is the actual official name of the WN livery with the blue.

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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Thu Jun 19, 2003 4:07 am

Good move by SWA. Like the new c/s too. Looks good and brightens up airports as well as the ugly brownish-green color they used to have. It'll look good on the winglets.

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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Thu Jun 19, 2003 8:02 am

Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but the winglets aren't benificial on just long haul flights. They also allow a slight increase in payload. Something that Southwest will take advantage of on those full cattlecar flights.

BTW, I just flew Southwest for the first time a couple days ago. Very good flight.
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Thu Jun 19, 2003 8:12 am

I'm glad WN decided to go with the winglets. Its going to be great seeing them at SFO and OAK.
 
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:41 pm

Seems everybody is now following ATA's lead with the winglets on the newer 737-700 and -800's. They save so much money as far as fuel efficency goes on the longer flights. I do believe that the winglets also improve takeoff performance and do allow for an increase in payload. Something the ATA is known for needing. Look at our 757's being concidered "Heavies" by ATC. Good and smart move by WN to upgrade the -700 fleet
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:39 pm

Those winglets do look nice on the WN 73G. Now, if AQ would just get them for their 73G's. If anyone would benefit from the use of winglets, it would be them. They fly 2500+ miles from some airports with short runways and noise restrictions. There have been some cases where the flight had to be weight restricted.
 
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Thu Jun 19, 2003 4:16 pm

"I'm glad WN decided to go with the winglets. Its going to be great seeing them at SFO and OAK."

They don't fly to SFO anymore.
 
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RE: Southwest 737NGs To Get Winglets

Thu Jun 19, 2003 4:29 pm

My error- read Canyon wrong. Nontheless..."puke" isn't a kind way to describe anything.

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