Article About JetBlue's Fleet And Future Routes.

STT757 · Thu Jun 19, 2003 6:18 am

The print version has a detailed map with future expansion cities listed as..

Toronto, Montreal, St.Kitts, St.Thomas, Indianapolis, Charlotte, Raleigh, Greensboro, Columbus, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Portland Maine, Cancun.

http://nj.com/business/ledger/index.ssf?/base/business-4/105596010133360.xml

scottysair · Thu Jun 19, 2003 7:39 am

Is that was true about future jetBlue will expansion of nonstop from JFK to CUN, CLT, YUL, YYZ, STT, IND, RDU, CMH, CLE, PIT, PWM in 2005. I am hope so will hear about anything more news soon into the future. Which one of the city will be next announced nonstop from JFK this year? Thanks! Smile

STT757 · Thu Jun 19, 2003 9:59 am

Definetly going to see JetBlue in Montreal , within the next two years. Earlier if they are not waiting for the ERJ-190s, they could start with two A320 flights.

flyguy1 · Thu Jun 19, 2003 10:36 am

This is good news. Hopefully now JFK can compete more effectively with LGA, and EWR for the short haul traffic.

ken4556 · Thu Jun 19, 2003 12:34 pm

Do you all think that at some point JetBlue has to open a more centrally located hub? Having hubs on the East Coast (JFK) and one on the left coast (Long Beach) kinda limits one. I understand the logic in building-up JFK, but does that limit the growth in mostly the east/west direction when all flights head to JFK (except flights tor Long Beach)? For example, is a person in North Carolina going to fly to JFK to go to Cancun or to Denver?

Maybe I am thinking of JetBlue as one day being a hub type airline. To me, the latest order of 100 seaters confirms this trend. It seams to me hard to build a true network with hubs just on the coasts.

Thoughts anyone?

Flaps · Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:00 pm

There was also an article today in the Pittsburgh Tribune Review regarding JetBlue's intentions for their ERJ order. It is well known that US's Siegel has been doing a lot of posturing and threatening with regard to the PIT hub. JetBlue has acknowleged an interest in PIT. The article hinted that Siegel is now expressing concern that PA government officials may be working behind the scenes to offer JetBlue the same incentives at PIT that they have offered to US. If true it would offer JetBlue an opportunity to drive an enormous wedge between US's PHL and CLT hubs.
Rumors and stories in and of themselves generally make for nothing but interesting speculation. I raised this same idea in another thread before the article came out. While nothing may come of it, it would be a very interesting and possibly devastating development for US. Note to Siegel, its never a good idea to sh*t where you eat.

jmacias34 · Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:04 pm

Did anybody else get an AAL add in the middle of the page?

tekelberry · Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:06 pm

Did anybody else get an AAL add in the middle of the page?

Yep. Coincidence? I think not.... Big grin

jmacias34 · Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:09 pm

I don't think so either...

chrisnh · Thu Jun 19, 2003 8:28 pm

As a business traveller who started flying when skies were awash with DC-10s, L-1011s, A300s, 767s, and 747s, I have to chuckle when I see the A320 (which is really nothing more than a 737 on steroids) refered to as a 'large' plane. Oh, to have back the 'old days.'

Chris in NH

SegmentKing · Fri Jun 20, 2003 12:25 am

EMB 190, not ERJ190. The IATA code is EM9, not ER9 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

-n

IslandHopper · Fri Jun 20, 2003 3:37 am

Yeah, that's great...my AA ad was advertising "JFK to LGB, $299 or less"...EXACTLY the fare that JetBlue offers. Does American even offer direct service to LGB from JFK? Who would fly AA with a stopover, old planes, and no PTVs?

STT757 · Fri Jun 20, 2003 4:56 am

AA offers three daily nonstops between JFK and Long Beach on the 757.

ORD Boy 2 · Fri Jun 20, 2003 12:53 pm

WHY WONT THEY SERVE ORD YET WE NEED THEM TO LOWER PRICES AT ORD

STT757 · Sat Jun 21, 2003 6:28 am

They quite possibly will be flying to Chicago, flights to Chicago from JFK are severely lacking.

FLAIRPORT · Sat Jun 21, 2003 2:13 pm

I got a continental ad!

LV · Sat Jun 21, 2003 3:48 pm

Thank Goodness for an ad blocker program...I didnt see anything.... Smile

L-188 · Sat Jun 21, 2003 6:14 pm

So when are they comming up to Alaska?

Lets give AS some competition on the SEA-ANC run.....PLEASE!!!

atcboy73 · Sat Jun 21, 2003 10:22 pm

ChrisNH

I know what you mean.

Can you imagine a little kid going to the airport to watch planes, ooooooing at a 757 (departing for LAX of course) and thinking, man that is so big, because all he sees most of the time is RJs and 737s.

I would love to see B6 come to HOU with n/s to major north eastern business centers.

Does anyone else see another focus operation for B6 coming with all these a/c. Time sure are exciting. The majors are hurting and the little guy is winning and with airlines like AirTran and B6 going on a buying spree there are going to be just that many more planes to watch Smile

UN_B732 · Sat Jun 21, 2003 11:15 pm

I posted an article about their markets where there is growth potential.
It look slike what they will convey.
-UN

foxecho · Sun Jun 22, 2003 2:40 am

I know off topic, but do they still shut off the Direct TV on international runs?

Andrew

ConcordeBoy · Sun Jun 22, 2003 2:51 am

what international runs??

STT757 · Sun Jun 22, 2003 3:03 am

They shut it off on the JFK-San Juan flight because they are not getting good enough reception over the Ocean, or something like that.

Or perhaps it interferes with navigational aides needed for long over water flying.

foxecho · Sun Jun 22, 2003 4:00 am

STT757

thanks for the quick reply...I for some reason thought they were flying to Dominican Republic already, I dont know how I would have gotten that idea..my error..

Andrew

caribb · Sun Jun 22, 2003 5:52 am

It would be nice to seem them in Toronto & Montreal. Some stiff competition to the NYC area would stimulate traffic. I know some Montrealers use Jetblue from Burlington Vermont. The airline has even advertised in local Montreal newspapers on occasion (using $USD prices which is a bit deceptive given the exchange rate).. I would imagine similar things have happened in Toronto with respect to their flights from Buffalo. Right now American Eagle flies YUL-JFK and has developed it nicely but it's only an ERJ-135 size market.. The A320 would likely be too large for the YUL route so maybe it will come once the ERJ's are up and flying. YYZ most likely could handle the larger plane. Anyone know who flies YYZ-JFK now?? Also American Eagle?

gigneil · Sun Jun 22, 2003 8:31 am

I know off topic, but do they still shut off the Direct TV on international runs?

There are licensing issues with receiving domestic satellite programming over international waters.

It may also have to do with reception... but on JFK-SJU that wouldn't be too terribly big an issue.

N

Guest · Sun Jun 22, 2003 8:34 am

I don't believe there is any JFK-YYZ service. AirCanada serves YYZ from EWR and LGA and AA from LGA (Maybe AE now or not at all)

I may be wrong.

Jeff G · Sun Jun 22, 2003 9:08 am

There are licensing issues with receiving domestic satellite programming over international waters.

There are no licensing issues with LiveTV over international waters. Most JFK-FL flights go well out over international waters, and there's no problem with that. The SJU flights just go too far east for reliable reception, as the satellite becomes too low on the horizon for the antenna to track properly. LiveTV is usually turned on, but it loses lock about an hour out.

There's no issue with LiveTV interfering with navigation or aircraft systems. It's been specifically shielded and tested against that possibility.

flyguy1 · Sun Jun 22, 2003 9:20 am

ASA operates JFK-YYZ.

STT757 · Sun Jun 22, 2003 12:00 pm

" Right now American Eagle flies YUL-JFK and has developed it nicely but it's only an ERJ-135 size market."

I flew JFK-YUL last August, the flight up was a ERJ-140, the flight back was a ERJ-135.

The A320 is not too small for YUL, B6 flies A320s into BTV which is smaller than YUL.

I think they would launch twice daily flights from JFK to YUL, with the frequency increasing when the ERJ-190s replace the A320s on the shorter routes.

caribb · Mon Jun 23, 2003 1:53 am

Hi STT757 - I supose it could work with an A320 given Jetblue's onward connections especially to Florida. BTV-JFK probably has no other competition and I was also thinking more along the lines of Air Canada into LGA & EWR, Comair and US Airways Express into LGA and Continental Express into EWR... the NYC area is well served from Montreal and adding another airline would be cutting the pie into slightly smaller pieces.. Only the JFK run has a monopoly and an ERJ monopoly at best.. To fill an A320 they'd have to promote their southern destinations and California all of which are also well served from Montreal.

flyyul · Mon Jun 23, 2003 3:35 am

JetBlue should consider Montreal-Fort Lauderdale.. this market is literally a gold mine.

Air Canada flies there with expensive fares, JetsGo flies there twice a week, Air Transat flies there also... there are just so many people wanting to go to FLL, and at cheap rates such that JetBlue would offer, I have every belief that this will a succesful market.

If not, do a lot of promoting for YUL-JFK-FLL.

Mark

Noise · Mon Jun 23, 2003 4:52 am

What about the possibility of a Montreal-Long Beach route? There are 200 passengers going to the LA region every day, and a daily Air Canada A319 is not enough, maybe a 2nd flight with JetBlue could work. It is risky, but Long Beach airport is in a great location.....I feel it can work.

as739x · Mon Jun 23, 2003 7:57 am

Noise: LGB is not international....I know your arguemtn already and here it goes! Even though passengers are prescreened in YUL, doesnt mean they can go into LGB. There has to be Customs in LGB also. Example is Alaska started YVR-SNA, and the route was topped within 1 week. Thso is what INS.Customs told us. We had no way around it. This would be the same thing that would happen in LGB. Maybe YUL-LAX one day though!
ASSFO

luv2fly · Mon Jun 23, 2003 8:11 am

I guess until JetBlue makes a formal announcement it will all be wishful thinking on our part! Tho I did read where JetBlue is meeting with the Boston airport authority, Massport I believe it is called. So I think BOS could be in the quick list for service.

caribb · Mon Jun 23, 2003 9:36 am

I am a bit surprised Chicago is not in their network...

AS739X, I don't really understand why there has to be customs at Long Beach.. Once passengers are precleared at YUL they are technically in the USA. I fly every now and then to Grand Rapids from Toronto.. I get prescreened at YYZ and I walk out of GRR as if it were a domestic flight arrival. YYZ is (or was ) the only international route out of GRR and I'm pretty sure there is no customs facilities at that airport... so Long Beach wouldn't be any different, would it? Prescreening implies by definition no need for customs processing at the arrival city.. (PS: I'd love a nonstop to Long Beach... beautiful part of the world...)

STT757 · Mon Jun 23, 2003 10:31 am

There's no customs at DCA or LGA, the passengers are prescreened prior to departure from YUL, YYZ, Bermuda, Nassau.

When I flew back to JFK from YUL we were screened at YUL, even though JFK has Customs.

as739x · Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:48 am

Caribb: They have Customs on call in GRR then. I knew this argument would come up, that why I gabe the example. SNA doesn't have on-call cause they are at LAX/ONT. I doubt they will go to LGB for one flight then. We did YVR-SNA and they said no, we then had to re-route the flight through Seattle till the schedule could change. The needs to be Customs on-call for Intl flight, that told to me by SFO Customs! Another example is our YVR-PSP, we prearranged Customs for all flights. I'm just saying what we learned the hard way.
ASSFO

Noise · Mon Jun 23, 2003 11:17 pm

I still don't really understand why there is a need for customs in Long Beach. Why would there be a need for them if passengers already go through customs in YUL?

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