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SIA_B777
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When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 12:48 pm

when did BA start flying to heathrow from phoenix?

for some reason i always thought the flight flew into gatwick but i just checked today's flight schedule and it said heathrow
 
ssides
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RE: When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 12:52 pm

If this is true I'm irritated! I wish they could fly to LHR from DFW! Gatwick is too far out and too delay-prone!
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WNfan
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RE: When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 12:57 pm

My friend flew this in May and he loved the run. I'm not sure how long they've had it but it's 777 service, once daily I believe.
 
jmc1975
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RE: When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 1:09 pm

It switched from LGW to LHR on October 26, 2002. LHR is also far more delay-prone than LGW.
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usairways85
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RE: When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 1:36 pm

BA's SAN, PHX, and DEN flights were all switched from LGW to LHR several months ago. somehow BA found a clause in the Bermuda 2 aggreement stating that if any US city has no US carriers flying between that city and London British Airways may fly to either LHR or LGW. DEN, PHX, and SAN all don't have any other carrier flying to London besides BA so therefore BA was able to switch the flight to LHR. However, this fall BA is dropping the SAN flight.

If you look at ATL and DFW, Delta and American both fly from those respective cities to LGW so therefore BA can't switch their current flights in those cities to LHR.
 
SIA_B777
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RE: When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 2:15 pm

thank you Jmc1975

If you look at ATL and DFW, Delta and American both fly from those respective cities to LGW so therefore BA can't switch their current flights in those cities to LHR.

what's the deal with this? who made the bermuda agreement and who benefits from it?

thanks
 
David_itl
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RE: When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:50 pm


SIA_B777

Look at this thread which provides some links.

David
 
gigneil
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RE: When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:23 pm

The Bermuda 2 agreement is a fancy name for the US-UK Bilateral Air Services Agreement.

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virgin744
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RE: When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:51 pm

Well i remember flying to PHX from DFW back in Aug. 2001 and remember taking a pic of a BA 777 parked up at PHX, and saying to myself after getting back to the UK 'I think I will fly BA to PHX next time i go there' and checked it up on the web & they did fly direct from LHR-PHX so it must be a getting on 2 years now....

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RE: When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 9:05 pm

Indeed, I flew LHR-SAN back in November - for those of us who live north of London, Heathrow is more proximate and therefore the preferred choice.
 
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E: When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Thu Aug 07, 2003 10:26 pm

I believe they started service back in October 2002.
 
ssides
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RE: When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Fri Aug 08, 2003 1:35 am

So, if BA could switch their service, could both AA and BA decide to switch their service from LGW to LHR? That way, there would be no other service to the other airport.

I guess DL and BA couldn't do this from ATL, because DL doesn't have rights to serve LHR, right?

I know LHR can get crowded and delay-prone, but it is closer to the city and actually has more than one runway!
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MAH4546
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RE: When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Fri Aug 08, 2003 1:38 am

So, if BA could switch their service, could both AA and BA decide to switch their service from LGW to LHR? That way, there would be no other service to the other airport.

No. Under the loophole, the only way a carrier can fly to -LHR from a non-LHR city is if there is no American carrier flying from that city to -LGW. AA flies DFW-LGW, so BA cannot fly DFW-LHR. If AA were to drop DFW-LGW (not happening), BA could fly DFW-LHR. If BA were to drop DFW-LGW, AA is still stuck with DFW-LGW, because I'm pretty sure that the exception is only for a British carrier.
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ssides
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RE: When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Fri Aug 08, 2003 1:49 am

So AA and BA couldn't do the switch at the same time? Would that be viewed as collusion or something?
"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
 
MAH4546
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RE: When Did Phx-lhr Start?

Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:14 am

So AA and BA couldn't do the switch at the same time? Would that be viewed as collusion or something?

No, AA can't fly DFW-LHR period. For an airline to fly from a non-LHR US city to LHR they...

...must be the only one offering London service from that city.
...must be a British carrier.
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