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ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 4:32 am

Did you hear, the city of Chicago approved a 6.6 billion dollar expansion plan for ORD. Projects include renovation of some of the terminals, adding an 8th runway, and many other projects. Now the FAA needs to approve the plan before construction can begin. To check out how the airport layout will be change go here. http://modernization.ohare.com/misc/submittal_book.pdf The changes are drastic. Hope you enjoy.

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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 4:37 am

Thanks for the those information about ORD airport epxansion.  Smile

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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 4:55 am

I agree that ORD needs some upgrades and improvements, but exhuming 1,500 or so bodies seems just a bit extreme to me. http://www.cnn.com/2003/TRAVEL/08/06/bi.ohare.expansion.ap/index.html
And with Rich Daley running around unchecked by the state and neighboring communities (which will bear most of the impact this expansion will bring), I have to admit that I'm somewhat afraid.

Too bad they never could get that third airport to ease congestion, at least for private a/c. Oh, wait, it was called Meigs Field...
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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:04 am

WHAT, NOO!! I knew about the expansion and all but I didnt realize they would be eliminating 14L and 14R!!!!! I live under the approach path for these runways out in the northwest suburbs. 14R is probably one of the most, if not THE most used runway at O'Hare. If they arent landing on 14R they are taking off using 32L T10 intersection and full length. So is this true was I reading the pictures correctly that those two runways will be elminated?
 
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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:14 am

Yes, TrnsWrld, 32L/14R will no longer exist under the new configuration.

And as I understand it, Governor Rod Blagojevich approved state legislation yesterday at a ceremony at ORD. The FAA still has to approve of the project, but yesterday it took a big step toward being a done deal.

I also have mixed feelings on this. I think the region needs more and better air service, but I'm not keen on the idea of moving two cemeteries, 500 houses, and 50 businesses. I spot from the St Johannes cemetery and will miss it when it's gone.

Personally I would prefer to see the Rockford and Milwaukee airports better utilized, and expansion of Gary would be far simpler than expansion of ORD.

But Daley is indeed unchecked and has seemingly limitless power, and I believe the ORD modernization plan will actually occur. And all in all, the region will be better for it.
 
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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:26 am

Wnfan,
At least Rockford will finally be returning to having scheduled service again at the end of this month with TransMeridian's flights to MCO and LAS.

It's not much, but it's a start.

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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 6:16 am

Anyone in their right mind knows that Gary would be the best option for a 3rd airport for the Chicago area. The area is close to the city, has a small aorport in place, and ample room to grow. Also the area in and around Gary has severe problems and the economic development could only improve the area. I think Gary is 3rd place on that list of worst cities to live in, with only Flint and East St. Louis beating it out. If nothing else they could begin by utilizing it mainly for cargo and gradually phasing in passenger service as the demand grows. I think remodelling O'Hare is a good idea, but I am not too sure about moving the cemetaries and such. Also the entire Peotone idea is ridicules, and lets just hope they dont build out there, but like I said Gary is the ideal place, but because its in Indiana, the politician cant work out a deal.
 
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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 6:19 am

WNfan,

I sorta disagree with you in that you think other airports such as Gary can use an expansion. The point here is that ORD needs an expansion not Gary Indiana. People fly to ORD not Gary! (generally speaking). With the current setup at ORD and also being one of the top airports for aircraft movements in the world it needs a better runway configuration something sorta like ATL or DFW's setup. Which ORD is exactly doing. What happens at Gary or Rockford will hardly put a dent in the traffic at ORD.
 
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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 7:22 am

It can now be said without argument that Chicago is the state capitol of Illinois. Rod Beluga-vich or whatever you call him is Demolition Dick's puppet. Rod has plenty of connections to the Mayor. No surprise that MeigsKrieg went unchecked and many people will loose their homes for ORD. I agree ORD needs expansion, but Daley's tactics are intolerable! We need regime change in Chicago!

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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 7:35 am

While I hate Daley and the things he's done... I'm fine with the fact that his unabridged power is being used in favor of ORD.

If you look over the Modernization website (which I have, exhaustively) I think you'll find its an amazing refit. It'll make Chicago capable of triple simultaneous ILS arrivals even in inclement weather, drastically reduce the noise footprint of the airport, and really help improve longhaul operations.

Living by DCA with family in COS, I find myself trapped at O'Hare more than any human being ever should be.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

ORD isn't so much in need of an expansion as a redesign - and unfortunately, they're gonna need to take over some extra space. Don't know how I feel about the bodies, however.  Sad

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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 7:36 am

I dissagree with Jaws707. I think the Peotone Airport is a good idea. It will draw a lot of passengers away from ORD and MDW (especially from the south suburbs) It would be a lot more convienent and faster to drive out to Peotone instead of all the way up to ORD. My two cents.


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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 7:46 am

With or without Peotone, ORD needs its retrofit. Gigneil is right on that count. And as for the bodies, better to move them than pave over them. Afterall, it's the soul you should worry about.  Smile A proper reburial is achievable.

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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 8:04 am

i was gonna say, that runway plan looks remarkably similar to DFW.  Smile
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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 8:25 am

The Peotone airport site is currently surrounded by acres of beautiful and peaceful rolling farmland, and it should stay that way. The site is 50 miles from downtown Chicago, while Gary is more like 25.

Gary already has the airport in place, and adding a runway and extending the current one would be relatively simple exercise. The main things in the way are abandoned warehouses and empty factories. Some rail lines will need to be detoured, but that's the case with O'Hare as well.

Gary could be a great cargo destination, and the populations of the south city, south suburbs, and northwest Indiana are rather substantial. These people could be on the Tri-State a whole bunch less if GYY had scheduled passenger service.

To fight against Peotone when it was initially proposed, the City of Chicago teamed up with the Gary airport. It was officially renamed Gary/Chicago and PFCs from MDW and ORD were shared with the facility, as I recall. The airport has information at http://www.garychicagoairport.com.

There are charter casino runs to Elko NV out of GYY, and it is used for the Chicago Air and Water Show, which is next weekend. Fixing up this airport and making it the Third Airport seems like a slam-dunk good idea to this aviation observer.
 
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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 10:02 am

Is there still commercial service out of Gary? I knew that PanAm v3.0 was going to Orlando-Sanford for awhile, but thought that they discontinued that service. This makes sense to me, after hearing some of the experiences of friends of mine who had the misfortune of being booked on these flights.

Other than that, isn't it just mainly charters and private aircraft?

Besides, while Gary is located closer to the Loop, I think that Peotone is a better site, not for city pax, but think of the outlying areas. Growing up 80 miles from the city, I took plenty of trips up to ORD and MDW to go on vacation; now think of how many other folks from North Central IL (all the towns along I80 and over by I39) do this. Heck, even if you go down towards Cham-Bana, Peoria or Bloomington-Normal, people will drive to CHI so that they don't' have to pay an arm and a leg for that 20 min flight to feed into O'Hare (9 times out of 10). Having something down by Peotone, I feel, would free up a lot of congestion at both airports and sure make the Stevenson Expy between Joliet and the TriState a lot more pleasant to drive on.
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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:42 am

Daley to the guvna behind closed doors: bl-wj-bm-b--ch (add an o, o, e, i, and a 't' to decode, I will not say any further, but you get my point  Acting devilish)

Anyway, being right in the epicenter of all this I think the state has become by the most crookedly run state in the nation. There is absolutely no counterbalance in the gov't that stops Daley and Rod from doing whatever the heck they want, and as long as dead people keep voting in Chicago, a Daley will always be in office. Back to the O'hare expansion, I hear there's a clause in the bill that totally keeps the bill from being undone. You want to talk crooked politics, there it is right there. However, I'm suprised nobody ever mentiones LOT, Lewis University Airport in Romeoville, IL. The runways might not be the biggest, but the room for facilities there are ample, and it could take some corporate and general aviation load off MDW. Superfly would kill me for this, but I personally fear the Gary, IN area based on stories I've been told. Then again, my job requires me to drive through Robbins just south of Chicago (they shoot you for no reason there in that part of the town). Some other possibilities are to use DuPage for regional traffic such as American Eagle, Northwest Airlink, or make use of other available facilities such as Palwaukee or even Aurora. Then again, Daley just wants to leave his mark on the city, and Rod's big ugly mouth is Richey's stamp to do with it. Can you tell I'm frustrated with Illinois' politics yet?
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RE: ORD Expansion Project Approved By City

Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:46 am

Peotone will never be a reality. Namely that no airline wants to fly there. GYY already exists anyway.

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