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Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 11:31 am

I have a question for everyone:

TransGlobal2 mentioned in a similar topic that a Delta 763 diverted to CLE and was noted in the USA today that it was the possible 5th hijacked aircraft. Does anybody know any other possible hijacked Aircraft that happened that day? If so, then what were the other possible targets? All idea are welcomed.

TransGlobal2, got a question. Where was the DL 763 going before it was diverted?
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 11:40 am

I don't believe the story had any merit. Nor did several 'stories' which appeared on the news that day, such as a car bomb explosion in the capitol.
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 11:51 am

I'm sure there were more UAL & AA planes, I know there were some rumored on CO & DL.
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:05 pm

A Fellow co-worker of mine was the Purser on Flight 142 Going to LHR on 9/11 (B777). The plane returned to the gate after the crashes into the WTC and the Passengers were let of the plane into the terminal.Upon deplaning a Passenger stopped and said, "your pretty calm considering what happened to your co-workers,we'll get you next time." Shortly afterwards it was becoming clear that it was a terrorist action and a number of the passengers went missing after they deplaned.She was interviewed by the FBI about the whole thing and she said that they believed that her flight was going to be another flight hijacked.

[Edited 2003-09-06 05:11:03]
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:10 pm

Supposedly there were very suspicious people on a UAL flight at JFK that was "supposed" to depart for LAX, apparently the flight was delayed and after everything happened the flight crew notified the Port Authority Police.

However supposedly these suspicious persons were able to escape the terminal, never heard anything more.

I believe however that there were no other plans for hijackings, all the flights had the same number of hijackers "EXCEPT" UAL flight 93 which had one less than the other flights.

The person missing was Mussoui (sp?) who the FBI had grabed before 9-11 in Minnesota, he would have been the fifth hijakcer on flight 93. The fact that the terrorists went ahead without replacing him on that flight indicates that they had no one else "on deck" (for lack of a better term) to take his place.

There were 20 hijackers, 1 was caught before hand. They had no one else to replace him, I think that's obvious.

SO most likely the four flights were all they were capable of hijacking, and that they only had 20 hijackers. 1 was caught, 19 went on to murder 3,000 people.
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:26 pm

I heard a lot of talk on 9-11 and shortly afterward about 6-8 planes total were supposed to be hijacked. Then again a lot of rumors were going on that day
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:27 pm

The DL flight that diverted to CLE was also going from BOS-LAX...took off roughly the same time as the doomed flights. I believe the plane had a mechanical problem though, which caused the diversion...can't remember for sure though.

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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 12:39 pm

There was a lot of talk about some jumpseat riders disappearing on a Continental flight to San Antonio, but I have not been told this with any conviction or from anyone in the know, just another rumour on the day.
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:51 pm

I heard from a co-worker that DL had a 738 going JFK-PDX later in the afternoon. It was scheduled later to wait for DL's international connections into JFK. Of course, the plane never left but according to my co-worker five people were booked on the flight......one way. All five connected from a Saudia flight into JFK earlier in the day and 2 had connected from a MEA flight to the Saudia flight. All had seperate seat assignments. As I was told the FBI in conjunction with the Port Auth of NY contacted DL to get a pax list for this flight. Makes sense, fully loaded 738 from East Coast to West Coast. Thank goodness this never happened.
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 4:44 pm

There's a lot of indication that the hijacking "cells" which took over the individual flights knew little about each other... even so far as to think that the groups knew nothing about how wide the plot would be; the isolation would be vital to ensuring integrity of the plot if one group was compromised.

It would be 'standard' al-Queda operating procedure to have it organized this way..... years ago, there were actually several independant groups involved in the East African embassy bombings.... and the people involved knew very little, if anything, about other groups involved and didn't talk to each other about their "operations."

It's entirely possible that other "cells" would have been involved, but either were delayed or were foiled due to the shutdown of the airspace.
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 4:45 pm

Tu154m,

I have not heard this story posted anywhere. Were the five Saudis detained or arrested? And did they have any similar materiel (boxcutter knives, etc.) which were used on the hijacked flights?

If your DL 738 JFK-PDX story is valid, I (and probably many others) would like to know more about it.
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:15 am

I remember hearing on the news one night that there was a planned attack on the House of Parliament/Big Ben in London on Sept. 11. It was abandoned thankfully to Europeans shutting down their airspace as well.
Anyone else heard anything about this?
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:26 am

There was a report that onboard a Delta 767-300 that was scheduled to do ATL-JFK-BRU on 9/11, several box cutters were found under seat cushions when the plane was searched after returning to ATL when the airspace was sealed. Nothing else was ever mentioned about it, of course the rumors were running rampant that day anyway.
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:33 am

This is the one that heard to. The only "difference" was that the boxcutters were found in the magazine pockets.
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:34 am

My mother was telling me -- and she heard this from her friend who is a flight attendant for AC -- that they found some boxcutters underneath a seat on a New York-bound AC plane at YYZ. I haven't heard anything more about that since.
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:43 am

My mother was telling me -- and she heard this from her friend who is a flight attendant for AC -- that they found some boxcutters underneath a seat on a New York-bound AC plane at YYZ. I haven't heard anything more about that since.



I read about that in a swedish paper in the days after 9/11 aswell. I don't recall if it was on a YYZ-NY flight but it was on a AC plane.
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:19 pm

I also remember hearing about the Delta 767 in Atlanta with the box cutters found under the seat cushions.
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:24 pm

JAYSIT, I find your post out of line, and totally disrespecful of those who lost their lives on 9/11. There have been numerous stories of things that have happened post 9/11 and pre 9/11, I too have had some...
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:23 pm

A friend of mine works for Delta here in Cleveland and is one of the only rampers here that had received training for larger aircraft, considering CLE never gets anything bigger then a MD80/732 except for charters and diversions. He was the first person to touch that aircraft on the ground, obviously after it was pushed back in Boston. Obviously not a easy thing to do with the rumors running rampant about a bomb being onboard and/or the aircraft being hijacked. The FBI was obviously also involved with that aircraft on the ground in CLE.
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:29 pm

WNfan.......
As far as I know, the men were never located by the authorities. If they were, it was after 9/11. When the airports got closed, everyone had to leave the terminals and they probably just blended in. I did see the PNRs(passenger name records.....i.e-reservations) from the 5 men mentioned. It was, to say the least, quite unsettling. As mentioned in some of the other posts, I remember hearing about the 767ER with the box-cutters being found, but never heard anything else on that story.
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:34 pm

The topic title for this thread is totally misleading – it makes it appear as though the thread is speculating about upcoming attacks on September 11, 2003 – totally distasteful. I’ve sent the moderators a couple of notes but did not receive a response – I’m disappointed.
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:35 pm

I don't believe the story had any merit.

It does have merit, insofar as it DID happen. The DL 763 landed in CLE just before I arrived at the airport that day-I left and tried to go to work early when I heard about the attack on the Pentagon, much to the fright of my wife, whom I called at her work. The plane had landed there just a few minutes before I got there.

I got to about 100 yards from the entrance of the airport, and all traffic was stopped, and about 50 CLE PD cars went screaming by us. I turned on the radio, and AM100 WTAM was saying that DL 763 had diverted and landed, because DL had reason to believe it was possibly going to be hijacked, since it was flying BOS-SFO, and fit the profile for the earlier attacks.

Remember, this was before the airspace was officially closed down, I believe, so DL was really on the ball to land that plane just in case. No hijacker was onboard, but it was a smart play by DL.
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:37 pm

IndustrialPate: I don't think the thread title is intentionally misleading. 9/11, of course, is shorthand for that particular day, and while its use in the title can easily be interpreted as referring to the upcoming 9/11 (that's how I read it at first), it's all clarified within the thread. Nothing of a thread about either interpretation would strike me as particularly distasteful.
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:18 pm


Do people here actually believe the box cutter stories on other aircraft? It seems like we only really heard these stoires in the news once or twice. They were never mentioned again?

Have these stories actually been officaly confirmed?
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:37 pm

Many things have gone on post 9/11 and you only hear about them if you are in the industry..things are no doubt kept hush hush as far as not making to the news etc.....I've heard many stories from pilots and FAMs (federal Air Marshals. My roommate was approached outside of the airport terminal by a man claiming to be from the FAA, asking him ridiculous questions such as where do the airline crews sign in? , how long before the flight do the crews sign in?,where does the crew meet for a briefing?.All these questions an FAA inspector should know already.Shortly after the guy took off in a car that honked at him when it approached the terminal..He was carrying nothing with him not even a briefcase.Once home my roommate called the FAA and they said that it was indeed strange and would conduct an investigation.This happened about 5 months ago and still no word back.
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 9:28 pm


I met an AA flight attendant in Nov 2001 who told me that he was working a flight (JFKLAX?) which diverted to MCI due to the attacks. They landed uneventfully. According to him, the Captain received a message from the authorities (AA? FAA?) that there were possible hijackers onboard their flight-- he said their names matched a list of possible hijackers. The Captain was told to have the crash axe ready, and if anyone tried to gain access to the cockpit, the crew should abandon the a/c and escape through the cockpit windows. Supposedly the FBI/police took the suspects off the flight.

Never heard anything about this anywhere else. AA people-- is this true? Or was someone trying to impress me!?

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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:45 pm

There were allot of rumors running rampant on 9/11/01 Don't take any of them too seriously. Things were crazy that day, to say the least. If there was another aircraft to be hijacked, believe me, the FBI would have found out about it that afternoon, after traffic was halted - and surely it would be based on FACT, not conjecture or rumors.

The presumed "Fifth Plane" would be another part of the tragic 9/11 story - No credible facts abound to support that theory.

People were being taken off planes by SWAT teams at JFK, just because they "looked funny" - The authorities were on high alert and nothing was taken to chance that day.

I believe there were no other planned hijackings - if there was, the perpetrators would have been arrested in their seats! No one would have simply "walked away".

By the way, who's the idiot who made the crack about the SW A380 on this thread? A discussion of the tragedies of 9/11 is not a place for your bland/tasteless sense of humor ... Grow up.
 
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RE: Other Possible Hijacks Planned For 9-11?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 3:22 am

I thought Jaysit's post was funny and not at all disrespectful, but I knew there'd be something said. Come on down, AA777MIA.

Anyway there were lots of rumours (CNN were saying for hours that there had been a carbomb on the Mall in Washington, and that the Old Executive Office Building was on fire). I never bought into the story about boxcutters being found on an Air Canada flight (although it was a widely circulated rumour), the whole point is that they didn't need to have weapons pre-loaded (machine guns in food trolleys et al, Passenger 57 stylee). The box cutters used were (legally) in the hijackers' handluggage. If they'd been stopped by security they would have been allowed to proceed.
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