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Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 2:40 pm

British Airways is my guess!
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 2:45 pm

I also think British Airways.........  Big thumbs up

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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 2:51 pm

A joint Japan Airlines and All Nippon Airways order. And it will be massive. (100 + widebodies!  Wow!  Wow!)
 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 3:02 pm

If JAL + ANA were smart...they should combine their orders to get the much needed / helpful extra discount $$$ that a large order (50-70+ aircraft) can get...this is exactly what STAR ALLIANCE in doing in purchasing 100+ 70-100 seater aircraft for their alliance carriers.
 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 3:23 pm

NH, JL, BA, QF and SQ.

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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 6:54 pm

Isn't it a little early to think about this? Not even the guys at Boeing know for sure what this plane will end up to be. Before it get's launched there will be massive changes yet in it's specifications as the plane will end up to be not as perfect as Boeing claims today...

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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:02 pm

BA and CO have already been talking about the 7E7. BA announced this week that they are considering the 7E7 and the A330 as a replacement for the 767. CO's Bethune has discussed the 7E7 and the merits of such an aircraft.
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:16 pm

Im gonna guess (even if it sounds wierd) Delta.
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:37 pm

Depends, will the first series be short/medium variant or the long haul variant.

short/medium : US carrier (DL needs a 767 replacement) and/or JAL/AnA (governement in over its neck)

Long haul variant : DL (transatl), BA (needs 767 replacement), Emirates/Quatar/SQ (prestige at least as important as functionality)

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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:38 pm

Funflyer, I think you're right. Delta is likely to be among the early customers to place orders for the 7E7 if not the launch customer. Delta has, like American and Continental, a very good relationship with Boeing. Delta was an early customer for the 767 20 years ago and now has a large fleet of those, one of the largest 767 fleet with American and ANA. I beleive Delta has the largest 767 fleet worldwide, followed by American, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them ordering the 7E7 to replace the 767-200's and the early 767-300 non ER aircraft next decade. Those will soon be approaching their replacement time, the 200's are getting old.
Next year we'll see in the media a Delta spokesperson announcing: "We do beleive that the Boeing 7E7 is the right airplane for us and will perform very well in terms of economy, environment and efficiency. Our customers will enjoy flying on a new airplane that will exceed FAA requirements in terms of safety, noise and pollution. The Boeing 7E7 is the airplane of the future and will revolutionize the air travel industry in the XXIst century".

Yes, Continental also is seriously considering launching the 7E7.

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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:39 pm

I think there's a good chance it will be CO. With Bethune's ties to Boeing, and CO's need for more longer-range A/C, they'd be a logical choice, although it's way too soon to predict who it will be.
 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:45 pm

Next year we'll see in the media a Delta spokesperson announcing: "We do beleive that the Boeing 7E7 is the right airplane for us and will perform very well in terms of economy, environment and efficiency. Our customers will enjoy flying on a new airplane that will exceed FAA requirements in terms of safety, noise and pollution. The Boeing 7E7 is the airplane of the future and will revolutionize the air travel industry in the XXIst century".


Delta is I think a rational airline, to give away a negotiating position like this would be very unprofessional IMO.

BA is smarter telling around they like both 7E7 and A330 very much and haven´t made up their mind...

7E7 ... will revolutionize the air travel industry
well lets not get over excited now .. a plane is a plane, certainly the A 7E7.
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 10:31 pm

Probably CO.  Big grin

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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 10:47 pm

British airway's colors would look awsome and yes they will probably be the lanch customer. Either JAL or BA.

http://diecast.web.aplus.net/jp/7E7200_BritishAirways.jpg --- 7E7 BA
http://diecast.web.aplus.net/jp/7E7200_JALnew.jpg---fictional 7E7 JAL.
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 11:06 pm

Hey!

I have been hearing rumors of LOT ordering the 7E7 in a few years as a replacement for their fleet of 767's. Now, I also heard they might go with the A330-200, I guess we will see, but since the 7E7, in many ways, is similiar to the 767, the 7E7 seems to be the natural choice for LOT. Unless LH puts the pressure up ... If you know what I mean  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 11:18 pm

BA, JL, NH, CO, DL.

And perhaps AA for a short range version to replace their A300s, 767-200s and a long range version to start replacing their oldest 767-300s when the times comes. However I think first priority is A300 replacement, a short range version for Latin America/Caribean.
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sat Sep 06, 2003 11:21 pm

i think that the LOT scheme would look good on the 7E7. i have begun to like the plane more and more lately. BA would be cool to. probably it will be an airline with a very large order for the plane. maybe 50+ aircraft.
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:28 am

I think Emirates. They are always initiator of buying new aircrafts!
 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:51 am

I think, CO, given Gordon Bethune's enthusiasm over the airplane, I wouldn't be surprised if Continental was first in line!
 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:00 am

I wouldn't be shocked by a CO purchase at all.. financially, they're a bit better off than the others.

A Delta purchase would not shock me either.


But I expect to see SQ with the first order.

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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:06 am

Don't rule out any US carriers being launch customers.....several of them (CO, AA, DL) have large numbers of 737/757 aircraft on deferred order....these could be "converted" to become launch 7E7 orders.

I see the following customers as being likely 7E7 launch customers: AA, DL, CO, BA, ANA, JAL, SQ, ANZ, KAL, Asiana, Emirates, EL AL.

It woud also be a major coup for Boeing if LH ordered the 7E7 but I think it's unlikely.




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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:10 am

I'd like to see DL being the launch customer. Was DL ever a launch customer for any other a/c? Since DL doesn't have many 777 maybe they would just and another a/c to it's huge fleet.
 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:33 am

I THINK Delta was lauch customer for the DC-9. Or maybe they were the first to put a DC-9 into service.
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:41 am

AA if they will be in a much better financial situation by production date.
 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:55 am

MIAT Mongolian.

 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:24 am

MIAT Mongolian.

lol.....how about Northeast Bolivian?


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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:31 am

i think Air Exel, the airline operating Klm-Exel, will be a LC.
they could use 7E7's for scheduled service between KLM-Exel and BonairExel.
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7

Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:34 am

Maybe UA. They were the launch customer for the last all-new Boeing plane (777). Plus they have a lot of 767's and maybe some early 757's getting close to retirement age. The 7E7 could be a nice replacement for both of these planes.
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:36 am

In terms of present fleet composition, UA would seem to be an ideal early 7E7 customer...but their finances are so weak, it's unlikely to happen.
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RE: 7e7 Launchers

Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:57 am

G'day

Sources close to Biman Bangladesh intimate the airline will buy the smaller craft to supplement the A 380 in developing long and thin routes as well as to boost regional feed. The total requirement is likely to be for two each short/medium and long range. As to whether or not Biman will be considered a launch customer for Boeing largely depends on how many airlines will line up to actually launch the 7e7 Thing with firm orders.

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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:58 am

I think that if UA manages to turn itself around within the next few years they could be a potential launch customer. UA has always had very strong ties with Boeing and they will need a 767 replacement within the next few years. I agree with BA and DL being another strong possibility, as they will also need a 767 replacement. I'm a little skeptical as far as CO is concerned, however, as they just recieved new 767s in 2000, and it would seem a little premature to buy a replacement for 3 year old aircraft.
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 6:55 am

I don't think it will be any US airlines, being that they really are not in great financial shape right now. I going to give it to a Asian, or European airline..
 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 7:03 am

Well In my opinion
1-AA (Short and long range would be very usefull in their routes system)
2-CO (Lot of 767 to replace)
3-BA (Same than CO)
4-Virgin Atlantic (well i know they're shifting to an entire Airbus fleet but they sounded interested in Sonic Cruiser so why no 7e7?)
5-LAN Chile (well they're using A340 to long range routes but 7e7 range can get these routes and be cheaper than A340 and safer in economic terms but has they're shifting to entires Airbus fleet is a thing to consider but in counter part they're expanding fast in LA and that still uses Boeing so these airlines would use 7e7 and LAN has a lot of participation by DAL)
6-DAL (lots of 767)
7-Air France (well this is the most imaginative but if they "changed" A340 for 777 and even they have 777-300 why shouldnt chang A330 to 7e7?
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 7:22 am

Airlines that could possibly order it assuming all are in business by then...

American
Delta
Continental
United
American Trans Air
British
Air France (because they order everything built hehe)
Alitalia
LOT
Aeroflot
Malev
KLM
Aeromexico
Avianca
Trans Brazil
Varig
Lan Chile
Japan Air
ANA
Korean
Air China
China Southern
Air India
Thai
Malaysian
PIA
Qantas
Kuwait
Saudi Arabian

 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 7:29 am

I'd say BA,JAL or SQ.
 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 7:31 am

CO would be #1 in my opinion, it could potentially be a good compliment to their fleet and replace the older a/c. Not to say Bethune's good ties to Boeing would vamp it up. Then again as BR715-A1-30 said earlier in the thread, with as much time as it will take to produce the 7E7, one of those sneaky LCC's might take advantage of the opportunity.
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 11:33 pm

Here's who I think will be the launch customers for the Boeing 7E7:

1. Continental Airlines (CO). CO could use the plane for increased capacity on transatlantic flights from EWR and IAH and increased capacity on Latin American flights from IAH.

2. Delta Airlines (DL). DL could use the plane to replace their oldest 767's (short fuselage version), plus increased capacity for transatlantic flights from JFK, ATL and CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO.

3. Japan Airlines (JL). JL will use a shorter-range domestic variant for Japanese domestic flights. They will also buy a longer range version to fly from AA), Japan">NRT and KIX for regional routes across Asia.

4. All-Nippon Airways (NH). In similar situation as JL.

5. China Eastern Airlines (MU). They could use the long-range version to expand flights to the USA and Europe from PVG. This is especially important given that Shanghai (MU's home base) is now becoming the commercial center of China.

6. British Airways (BA). Not only to replace most of BA's 767-300(ER) fleet (which will be transferred to the RAF for air-refuelling tanker conversions), but also to provide expansion on routes that don't demand a plane the size of a 777-200A or 777-200ER. The 7E7 would be more economical to fly routes like LHR-SAN.

7. TUI AG (Hapag-Lloyd, Britannia, Corsair). They desperately need a modern plane to fly on vacation charters from Europe to the USA, South America and eastern Asia on inclusive tour packages.

8. Lufthansa (LH). LH really wants a true A300B4/A310 replacement, and the Airbus A330-200 is way too heavy a plane for the type of intra-European and thinner international routes LH wants to fly.

Further down the road (depending on economic conditions), I see these airlines buying the 7E7:

American Airlines (AA). Not only to replace the rapidly-aging 767-200 fleet, but also to replace the older 767-300's on transatlantic, Latin American and maybe even transpacific routes. The 7E7 could be the perfect plane for SJC to AA), Japan">NRT, where much of the traffic is premium passengers and the 777-200ER is probably too big a plane for this route.

United Airlines (UA). Replacements for 767-200's and older 767-300's.
 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:33 am

I'll agree with BA..they have the need and the money.
JAL will jump onboard immediately since Japan will likely be the largest subcontractor.
Also, TUI will be there...they would likely be ideal to replace the 767's.
 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 5:50 am

JAL ; ANA and BA plus Malaysian are just some potential customers for the 7E7.
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:15 am

CO would be #1 in my opinion, it could potentially be a good compliment to their fleet and replace the older a/c.

Continental's entire longhaul fleet is less than 5 years old, if I'm not mistaken.

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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:37 am

I believe CO's fleet of 767's are almost brand new. It will probably be 15 years before they are replaced. I think the first 764's and 762's only arrived about 2 or 3 years ago. Currently, the oldest planes in the CO stable are the MD80's - many from the early 80's (which still isn't THAT old).
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 10:56 am

And perhaps AA for a short range version to replace their A300s,

Their A300s are less than 15 years old. Don't count on it.

Air France (because they order everything built hehe)

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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 11:02 am

now that i think about it, CO does make more sense. no, i'm not jumping on the bandwagon here.
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 11:19 am

And perhaps AA for a short range version to replace their A300s,

Their A300s are less than 15 years old. Don't count on it.

Air France (because they order everything built hehe)

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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:35 pm

Haven't seen Alitiala... They extended the leases on their 767s so that they will end in 2008 -2010. They have openly stated that they would like to get in on the 7e7 when they took delivery of their 777s.
 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:42 pm

well when you look at US airlines and their fleet structures.......I would say that DL, due to the fact that their whole mainline fleet is Boeing, even the M88 and M90 are Boeing now.
AA is basicly the same, except their A300 of which the 7E7 would be a Great replacement.
So that is my guess for the launch customers, I think that DL and AA will take delivery around the same time. DL for their aging 762's and 763's and AA for the aging A300's and 762's.


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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:56 pm

These Boeing hard-core carriers are very likely to be 7E7 launch customers.

-Continential
-Delta
-American
-Japan Airlines
-All Nippon Airways
 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 3:12 pm

"Isn't it a little early to think about this? Not even the guys at Boeing know for sure what this plane will end up to be. Before it get's launched there will be massive changes yet in it's specifications as the plane will end up to be not as perfect as Boeing claims today..."

Max, the only part of your post that made sense was the part about it being a little early to speculate as the board hasn't yet authorized it to be offered to the airlines, though the sales team is in talks with many. The rest was pure garbage. I'm sure by now the plane is reasonably well defined and while their will undoubtedly be some changes in specs, I'm sure they won't be 'massive'. And as for your crack about the the 7E7 ending up not as perfect as Boeing claims, how the hell could you possibly know? Sounds to me like wishful thinking from someone who hopes it'll fail. There's always at least one who has to try to rain on a parade. As for the rest of you, great speculations, so good I won't even try to add to it. Lots of possibilities here, folks!
 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 3:59 pm

Alitalia for sure.

All the B763 fleet is on leasing and when they took delivery of the last B772 they said they are looking also to replace the B763 in the nearest future.

 
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RE: Who Do U Think Will Be Launch Customer For 7E7?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:02 pm

uh....I am going to take a wild guess here and say that I dont think it will be jetBlue

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