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Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Thu Sep 11, 2003 2:45 pm

In the B747X proposal, Boeing suggested using the space above the cabin for sleeping berths. Is that a good idea? Perhaps F/As who have worked on the 744 & 777 can tell us what it's like - after all, these a/c have their crew rest compartments above the cabin. IMO, the space above the cabin represents an opportunity for some more "innovation"..... And would there be enough space above the A340 cabin for sleeping berths?
 
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RE: Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Thu Sep 11, 2003 4:31 pm

No space above A340 ceiling for berths. I think they were also talking about galley storage above the ceiling on the 747, to make more room for passenger seats in the cabin.
 
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RE: Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:59 pm

With the 777 crew sleeping quarters are located below main deck with access located in the mid galley economy cabin.
 
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RE: Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:01 pm

Some carriers have crew rest on 744 in the ceiling above the rear cabin, with access by a very narrow staircase that looks like coat storage, on the sidewall of the cabin.
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RE: Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:27 pm

Boeing maintains an Interiors Display center with Teque (sp?) in Tukwila, WA. I had the privilage of getting a walk-through there this summer.

The stairway access for the sleeping berths for the 777 (at least on the mockup), was located between the first and business cabins, in the center of the fuselage inbetween the 2 aisles. Like JGPH1A noted, it was accessed via a camoflagued set of stairs that appeared to be a simple closet.

I think some airlines (especially given their current state of financial distress), would be well-advised to consider renting out the overhead section by the hour for those who wish to join the mile-high club in style!  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Fri Sep 12, 2003 1:13 am

take a look at this link -
will give alittle more information as well as a few photos

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/osu/
 
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RE: Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Fri Sep 12, 2003 1:46 am

One nit picky thing about the "over cabin" rest area on the 744 is that it's rather noisy. It happens to be right undter the strake of the tail where the airflow splits and is quite turblent.

Sounds like a windtunnel basically. I got to witness it firsthand on a UAL flight from MEL -LAX.

I knew it was there so I went poking around for the staircase just to see how tiny the staircase was. A FA noticed me looking around and asked me if I needed help. I blushed, told her I was a airplane geek and I was looking for the stairs to the crew rest area to see how tiny the stairs were.

She told me to hold on one sec and she could possibly do one better. So she disappeared into the stairs, checked with the occupants up there if they minded a PAX taking a look, they said no they didn't and I got to see it.

Best of all they were playing poker and invited mt to join for awhile. It was a nice way to kill some time on a long flight.

Funniest bit was when the FA handling my part of the cabin noticed me being gone for 2 hours, went off shift, came to the crew rest area and saw me there. He said to me "I was wondering where you went, thought maybe you decided to take a nap in a toilet or something."
 
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RE: Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Fri Sep 12, 2003 2:09 am

There are a couple of different designs for overhead and below deck Crew Rest areas on both the 747 and the 777. DL has an overhead crew rest area on some of their 777's designed by Boeing with a Vestibule near door 3 for the F/A's and another vestibule near door 1 leading to the Pilots bunks. El Al purchased the B/E Aerospace design for overhead crew rest on their 777's. Boeing 747-400's typically have a Door 5 over head crew rest with the vestibule just aft of door 5R. There are also crew rest designs flying on both the 747 and the 777 that utilize a stair well down to a cargo container that has bunks in it.
 
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RE: Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:43 am

So far, the discussion appears to have been on CREW REST compartments. What do you think if Boeing were to extend the idea to making the overhead area along the entire length of the fuselage sleeping berths for PASSENGERS? Low ceiling? Claustrophobia? Some of you might know what it feels like to be in such an overhead area..... Or would it be a great idea for squeezing in more seats into Business Class, and compensating those pax with a full bed upstairs?
 
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RE: Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:56 am

As far as I know (and that's not much) Airlines are considering it.

There was some documentary on the Discovery Wings Channel (US) on the 777 and they briefly showed a mockup of a proposed passenger sleeping area over the main cabin. I think they mentioned SQ and CX being interested in it.
 
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RE: Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:57 am

AA's B777 crew rest is on the main deck. Some have 2 seats on both sides of aircraft, and others have a room in the middle at door 3 with four bunks. All aircraft will be configured with the bunks...
 
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RE: Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:19 am

Anybody know exactly (or approximately!) how much vertical space there is in the 777 overhead crew rest compartment? Can't really tell from the pics...
 
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RE: Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:29 am

I imagine that evacuation in the event of an emergency is a major issue with these overhead berths. I haven't ever seen one, but as far as I know, the only way out is via the small staircase. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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RE: Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:18 pm

I would suspect that the overhead rest areas are only to be used during the cruise portion of flights and all crew must be in the cabin/cockpit for takeoff and landing.
 
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RE: Sleeping Berths For 747 & 777 Above Cabin?

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:35 pm

Vertical space? Very little. I had to hunch over to get around in there. Granted I'm 6'4", but still. I'd say 4 or 5 feet maybe; at least in the 777 I was able to look around in.
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