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Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:07 am

With the possibility of new used 757's, Where Will ATA add routes to next any informed guesses? Another Trans-con from SFO?
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:12 am

I am guessing a couple of new routes from here to build the "mini" hub that they have going here. Possibly a new trans-con route. My guess is an SFO-BOS. Although with HP entering into that market it gets a little crowded (UA,AA,HP). Possibly an SFO-MCO non-stop. UA is the only one with a NS out of here. I would also look for some seasonal Mexico routes.

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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:29 am

If HA goes under, we will definatly need them! Look out for SEA/PDX to Hawaii in case, possibly more. I'm a little suspicious to our transcon attempts, but if they're a success I guess we'll see more!
And MCO is a pretty safe destination, although it's mostly 'Disney-money' and loooow yields...

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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:34 am

I had heard about the SFO-BOS but was not sure that was true. SFO-MCO is a great route and a great idea. They may also do well with SFO to FLL. Any news about STL?
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:35 am

I work for ATA.

We are instructed NOT to tell any information to anybody even family, but I can tell you this. We are getting ready to expand like there is no tomorrow, and I cannot tell you where, so I will just tell you this, keep your eyes on the West coast and our friend to the south.

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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:42 am

MSY has been hitting up both TZ and WN for a nonstop to MDW lately, so they might find an interest here as well.
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:44 am

Well that is very vague. But understand. I know SFO is the target but what about the south you refer too? South east or west? Can you give a period of time as to when?
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:55 am

I think the "friend to the south" refers to Mexico.
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:58 am

I agree with LN-MOW to watch the HA bankruptcy very closely. Pleasant Holidays would love to have us carrying their pax out of SEA/PDX. (more likely SEA).

I think our trans-cons are a very good idea. Our MDW hub is pretty much maxed out in terms of gate usage. Our IND hub is good for connecting traffic only...And upper management only seems interested in building the IND to Florida/NYC presence. The rest of the stations are left wanting. I think a SEA-IND non-stop would fare, well as would a Denver non-stop.

But I think for now the focus is on the west coast (SFO in particular) and building our presence there. We have recently increased our gate space here in SFO bringing our number of dedicated gates to three and available gates to five. Using 8 turns a days per gate as a basis (and that's conservative) we are poised for anywhere from 24 - 40 flights per day. Not that that is going to happen. But the expansion room is there. So I would look for expansion from SFO to happen before the end of the year.

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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:59 am

I know that PDX, SLC, MSY are on the list of possibilities of seeing scheduled ATA service. Also I do believe that we are going to work more at connecting the dots on popular routes as Southwest has done. I to have heard that SFO is going to see a few new routes. We are getting the ex National 757's so i'd look for those to be used as well as the 2 737's that are going to be coming online. Now if ATA Connection could either get some jets or a few more SAAB's life would be grand.
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:00 pm

Your right WNfan. The following text is necesarry for the server to let me post the message Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:12 pm

There are lots of possibilities then from SFO if there is gate space. Mexico looks like a good idea. I must say ATA is actually thinking most of this thru. The only thing they have to change is that whole "Honest" thing. Its so small town like. They need something more catchy like " On your way with ATA" or "Travel the ATA way" to create an image. If other airlines expand are they doing it dis-honestly? Sorry for the rant.

These post are very informative. Gives a good idea of the direction they are headed in. Although I do not know about expanding like there is no tomorrow. They do not have the planes..
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:31 pm

We don't have the aircraft to expand like there is no tomorrow right now. But I have heard rumors about acquiring used 757's that are parked in desert. That could put a HUGE infusion of seats into our system. So if we get the planes we have to fly them somewhere...And the company seems pretty focused on SFO expansion.

So we will see how it all works out in the next few months.

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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:40 pm

I don't know about the whole "expanding like there is no tomorrow" as TZSFO stated. We'll see more seats but not a lot of new destinations.
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:44 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if ATA looks to build out operations at EWR and do there what jetBlue has done at JFK. The same may apply at SFO as well, but I think EWR represents the better opportunity.

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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:54 pm

One factor in EWR...CO has a major presence. In SFO there is no real major hub but just a number of airlines with large operations. I know UA considers SFO a hub but it is no where close to as big as ORD or DEN.
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:55 pm

Dear ATA fans and employees,

I hope your airline does well. I really do. And I'm not posting this to badmouth anyone here.

But I have a serious question. Given ATA's debt load, do they have the credit or the cash to buy or lease airplanes that are being stored in the desert? (As well as the ex-National 757s?)

I know they posted a small profit last quarter, and even after considering the money from Uncle Sam, they were in the black. But 2Q is a strong travel time. Will the profits continue this quarter and next?

Those are my questions and I look forward to your answers. By the way, I think SFO is a great place on which to focus new activity.
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:57 pm

I could easily see a couple of daily 738's between MDW and MSY. ATA would own the market as Southwest has chosen not to add it thus far. ATA would be the only low-fare nonstop option between Chicago and New Orleans...good competition for AA and UA which dominate the market. MDW-MSY-CUN seems like an interesting idea doesn't it?  Smile
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:57 pm

ATA767, just curious, but where would you even think they would fly out of St. Louis? I mean SFO would work perfectly, my dad's client is a UA744 pilot and he said that SFO-STL on a A319 is a very imminent possibility. Hope TZ could jump on this route before UA can. What about EWR?

I think PDX could be coming next to MDW however, along with hopefully a IND-DEN flight, I would love to see those as I am in college in Indiana and make my way down to Indy occasionally. Discussing SFO-BOS, HP just jumped in...I dont think we'll see ATA on this route due to competition. Big thumbs up

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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 2:24 pm

To answer WNfan's question: Yes ATA will post a profit in the 3rd Q as well as the rest of the year.
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:32 pm

Well it seems like ATA is taking advantage of cities that feed well their MDW served cities. I am not sure if STL would fit but know there is a void there as a result of AA reducing flights. As for EWR, That is a perfect place for them to expand and do runs to Florida and back to MDW. CO has the market but ATA can grab some business from them and give the people more choice.

They could even do runs to the Caribbean. The comment from upper Management was that they did not have the planes so now that they are looking to get the planes, maybe they will run with SFO and EWR as a platforms to build on.
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:32 am

Does anyone know how many ex N7 B752's ATA are considering taking on? Will they have to revamp the interior? Did N7 have two class config? Am I not a financial expert, but would lessors rather arrange financing with a carrier like ATA to generate some income or just park the planes in the desert?
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:46 am

I believe it was 5 752's that they were looking to acquire.
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:49 am

ATA has shifted from considering the 767 for their fleet at this time. That means that they may have some change to acquire at least 5 or so older 757's. I am sure they will get them so we will see where they put them. I know they seems to be spending more on Ads these days. I saw a commercial for ATA while flying on Jetsbule (direct-tv).
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:39 am

perhaps ATA connection will pick up a few rjs and expand to smaller markets in west or the east.
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:53 am

Copa, exactly what I was thinking. A CRJ-700 or even on a slightly larger scale some 717's. The number of new markets a smaller A/C could present is numerous. COS, SMF, SAN, DTW, you name it.....Filling a 738 or a 752 seems to be a pretty tough task, especially out of IND. Even though I don't see it likely happening.
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:22 am

You won't see any CRJ-700's or 717's for ATA Connection for a bit now. ATA won't give us the financing to get the new aircraft. I know that there is a deal that is being worked out for some new aircraft but you guess is as good as mine as to what. But i can garuntee it won't be a 717. Come December ATA is going to fly another 738 between MDW-IND so that will free up a few aircraft but i don't think it will be enough to open a new station. I keep hearing rumors about the SAAB 2000 being a top continder for the new aircraft. Maybe we can even pick up a few of USEX's Dash-8's that they are getting rid of.
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:29 am

couldnt ATA Connexion get the EMB145? that way their new focus city, SFO, could use those to fly to regional destinations. FAT, MFR, EUG, LMT, SBA all come to mind. SFO wont allow Dash8s in, and if the saabs were in, theyd have to use the remote commuter terminal, creating a nightmare to connect thru..
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:41 am

Styles - National had all of their planes in a Two Class config.
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:44 am

Aa757first: thanks for the information.

Anyone have an idea how much $$ it takes to refit the 2 Class planes to 1 cabin all Y class?
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 6:47 am

Would be interesting to see ATA build out of EWR. They are currently situated in A-2. Most of those gates are continental, but also some other LCC's operate from there. To sum it all up, space at EWR is scarce for other airlines trying to expand. Continental dominates the airport!  Big grin

Maybe a EWR-LAX?
SFO-ATL
SFO-BOS
SFO-PHL
SFO-BWI

Those are some flights I would like to see
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 7:29 am

None of the pilots want to see the ERJ-145 in Chicago Express colors. The would rather see a CRJ of some type in our color scheme.
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:05 am

2 folks who work at ATA are the ones who "research" new markets and both said they love this board, and in particular this thread  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

*sssshhh* but Chicago Express isn't gettin jets .. don't mean to burst your bubble.... ATA is still payin off the Saabs & the yields haven't been that great.. if it weren't for the O/D traffic on C8, chicago express would be nonexistent...
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:54 am

SegmentKing....Pass on to them that ATA can become the next JetBlue from EWR. They really are missing the boat on the EWR to FL market. EWR-PIE would be a great start with little competition.
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:05 am

Well they know what they're doing  Smile/happy/getting dizzy They don't even tell me what they're doing (could get fired)... but it seems like PIE is of interest to them..

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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:19 am

I like the fact that ATA does not just jump into a new route, it seems as though the proper research and time is put into each city pair. With the exception of PIE-SFO I think the route choices over the last few years have been quite solid. I would LOVE to see MCO-SFO!
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:27 am

What about an MSP-SFO. Seems like a good idea. No LCC competition on the route and that gap could be filled nicely by a daily 752 or 738. Another possibility in my mind is SLC.....I could easily see a flight or two.
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:30 am

if ATA proper is going to expand out of SFO, I think that the following routes could come to fruitation:

SFO-BWI
SFO-PDX
SFO-MEX
SFO-AUA
SFO-SJU
SFO-MCO
SFO-GDL
SFO-PVR

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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:44 am

Copa - Those routes would take some major restructuring of aircraft routing as well as opening three new scheduled service stations (PDX,MEX, and BWI)

For the other routes:

PVR - that is going head to head with Alaska who has a very strong SFO - Mexico presence.

GDL - If Alaska thought they could of made money on it they wouldn't of dropped the route a few years back.

SJU - Interesting thought.....I could maybe see that as a once or twice weekly service.

AUA - I think this route is still best served through MDW.

MCO - seems like the strongest contender for a new route. But like LN-MOW said.....Disney money.....Low yields.

So we will see. It is a real interesting time to work for ATA. I can say that much.

TZ
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:56 am

Wasn't Boise(BOI) on ATA's wishlist? I have heard a lot of people are predicting an ATA flight BOI-MDW or BOI-IND. Anyone know?

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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:31 pm

No offense BOI, but BOI-IND???? Right now they are having trouble even filling the LAX flights from Indy. From what the sources at the airport have told me, its mainly connecting traffic, but some local traffic is warranted also. TZ isn't drawing as well as it should be from its local communities, so I think IND is pretty much out of the picture. BOI-MDW, long shot, I don't know where you heard its on the wishlist. I would think that you would have to see a large buildup at SFO and a smaller A/C acquisition before you will see ATA in BOIBig thumbs up
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:41 pm

"*sssshhh* but Chicago Express isn't gettin jets .. don't mean to burst your bubble.... ATA is still payin off the Saabs & the yields haven't been that great.. if it weren't for the O/D traffic on C8, chicago express would be nonexistent..."

Yeah duh...too much debt in the first place....the cheapest things out there are the Saab 2000s...like WMUpilot said.....hottest rumor right now amongst everyone..but it's just that RUMOR. O/D for C8 isn't that great..I hate to break it to everyone but all C8 loads are crappy because MDW is taking all of the seats on their O/D. I tried to pull connections for other airlines during IROP and couldn't give them seats because MDW is full. You can always tell when MDW is full....C8 flights are empty. Also, ATA needs C8 to fill their seats...it's been said over and over by a lot of TZ/C8 personnel.

Just need to get through this month..ugh

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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:46 pm

TZSFO.. good analysis. I think AUA is a good once a week but what is the flight time? Can that be done as a turn? SFO-PIE might of worked if they switched it to a 737-800 like they did for LAX. GDL is in the radar, I am sure. Mexicana was doing it from ORD and MDW at 1 point and ATA still went into the market and now at least has that working for them. So for now SFO-MCO has the most votes, we will have to see.
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:48 pm

As a fan of PDX, What are the chances of ATA starting service here in the near future?
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:56 pm

Doubt that would happen.
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:18 pm

As IND is my hometown I would like to se TZ quit trying to fight it out with WN from IND, IND-LAX,LAS,LGA,PHX and work on "cold to warm "flights from the north conex at IND, IND-MKE,MSP,DTW,YYZ, and beef up IND-PIE,FLL,MCO

Many folks dive in from CVG and Southern Illinois, for lower fares and $5 parking so IND has a big cachment area and BAA seem to be doing a good job

I dont think you can win a fare war with WN..of course its better than before with L1011's and 727's  Smile
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:09 pm

FlyingRyan ->

Actually some of the cities served by Chicago Express do well with O/D.

Flint, Michigan; Springfield, Illinois; Dayton, Ohio; Indy & Grand Rapids are their top markets in terms of people just flying to Chicago.

but C8's problem is their tie in to ATA, with its great fares, doesn't really cover the cost of a Saab ($2400 per hour). But throw in $200 one way fares to MDW for the local traffic tends to seal the deal  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I haven't heard any serious consideration about the Saab 2000s, considering you only have 5 available airframes on the North American continent and 10 overseas. My question for the SF2 operations would mainly be "where do you park them at MDW?"

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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:43 pm

Where to start. SPI is subsidized - strike that off your list. Indy is all non-revs - strike that off your list as well. So that leaves FNT, DAY, and GRR....3 out of 12 cities.

Do ATA fares cover the cost of the Saab? Depends. Your cost for the Saab is off by several hundred dollars, but thats ok. $200 one way to MDW? LOL...I don't think so. Maybe $100 to $150 tops.

About the Saab 2000s. The airframes being considered are in Europe - not the US, since they all (or most) are in corporate configs. Of course you haven't heard any serious consideration about the SF2s...you're in FLL. Yup - lots of Chicago Express people there.  Smile As far as parking...that is where scheduling would come in to make sure they don't have too many coming in at one time.
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:52 pm

Cospn, exactly.....They are losing out to WN. Some LF's on flights to LAX, SFO, PHX are in no way profitable. WN seems to be beating them up and down the list. One place where TZ seems to be excelling at out of Indy is LGA. Flights are consistently oversold. Hence, the WN factor. There is none (even though there is an ISP flight). Like you said, they need to concentrate on routes where WN isn't a large factor. BTW, I was driving in from Bloomington and saw an L10 take off! WOW. Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Where Will ATA Add Routes Next?

Wed Sep 17, 2003 12:02 am

FLL-SFO. AMT could pop into STL, but nothing major. They had a gateway operation out of Saint Louis in the mid-nineties to several Florida destinations. It was a waste because of competition, but now it is clear sailing.
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