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Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:23 am
by US A333 PIT
Can someone please tell me where I can find information pertaining to this topic. Statistics I'm interested in are the routes with the most passengers flown, average ticket prices for these routes, flights per day/year, seat capacity. Thanks a lot. This will really help me out.

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:32 am
by TWFirst
I know the most heavily traveled city pair in the country is NYC (all airports)-FLL, but am not sure where you can get the precise numbers.

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:37 am
by JAL777
FLL???

I would imagine it would be NYC - Florida (maybe MIA), but FLL?

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:39 am
by jeffie813
it is definitely not just FLL. it is a combination of NYC - PBI, MIA, and FLL, all of which are in one metropolitan area.

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:41 am
by potomac
why wouldnt it be NYC area - BOS? hourly service on US, DL, AA, and CO?

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:43 am
by TWFirst
Yes... believe it or not, FLL. The number of passengers flying between FLL and NYC is amazing. That's why there are so many competitors in the market... consider B6's (depending on time of year) 10 daily roundtrips, plus CO, Delta/Song, AA, Spirit all with non-stops, not to mention all the connecting possibilities (US, UA, AirTran, etc.). It's the #1 city pair in the country.

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:45 am
by TWFirst
Sorry Jeffie 813... I know you live in Palm Beach, but it's JUST FLL... not the entire South Florida metro.

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:54 am
by ntspelich
What I found said that it's NYC-LAX.

1. New York – Los Angeles
2. New York – Chicago
3. New York – Boston
4. Honolulu – Kahului
5. New York – Miami
6. New York – Washington, DC
7. Dallas – Houston
8. Los Angeles – San Francisco
9. New York – San Francisco
10. New York – Orlando

NS

RE: Ntspelich

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:59 am
by TWFirst
How old is that Ntspelich?

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:01 am
by jeffie813
TWFirst, i know you live in ft. lauderdale, but this discussion has already been had on this board at least 5 times. if you can produce #'s that show NYC - FLL is tops, i'll change my mind. but you're just wrong. the combination of the entire metropolitan (MIA, FLL, PBI) area does combine to create one of the most frequently travelled routes in the country.

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:02 am
by ntspelich
I found it in lecture notes for a Human Geography class from 2001 at the City Univerity of NY.

http://web.gc.cuny.edu/ees/osleeb/EES707/Lecture3.pdf

NS


RE: Jeffie813

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:09 am
by TWFirst
Of course adding MIA and PBI to FLL creates "one of the most requently travelled routes in the country"... that's logical considering NYC-FLL is THE most heavily travelled route. I invite you to provide the links to either a) the 5 threads you mention previously discussing this, or b) statistics from external sources proving YOUR point. And, then, once you do that, perhaps I'll change MY mind.

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:11 am
by MAH4546
When you combine all airports in a metro region, it is San Francisco to Los Angeles with about 18,000 passengers a day. Miami to New York City, excluding Islip, is about 15,500 a day, placing it at second.

When you go by what the DOT says (DOT does not count Miami, LA, and San Fran airports together; but does count Chicago, NYC, Houston, and Dallas airports as one) it is Ft. Lauderdale-New York City with over 8,000 passengers a day.

I am not on my home computer right now, but later today I will post the link to O&D traffic numbers proving that Ft. Lauderdale-New York City, not including MIA and PBI, is indeed #1.

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:11 am
by TWFirst
that should say "frequently", not "requently", btw.

RE: MAH4546

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:12 am
by TWFirst
Thank you MAH4546. Jeffie813, you may eat your foot now.

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:14 am
by ntspelich
It sounds like this will be argued time and time again.

https://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/709343/

RE: Ntspelich

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:21 am
by TWFirst
That thread is almost 2 years old.

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:22 am
by ntspelich
Whether or not it's two years old, I was just saying that it looks like people will always be arguing over this. So, I gave an example of a past thread to show my point.

NS

RE: Ntspelich

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:27 am
by TWFirst
Point taken.
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RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 5:20 am
by US A333 PIT
Ntspelich: Just wondering what your source is, and if you could post it. Is there for example a page on the DOT website that has this kind of info. I remeber seeing it once.

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 5:49 am
by ntspelich
US A333 PIT:
As I posted above, starting at page 15.

As it's part of a lecture I'm assuming that these rankings are factual (or at least were correct for the time).

http://web.gc.cuny.edu/ees/osleeb/EES707/Lecture3.pdf


RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 5:52 am
by bobnwa
The largest domestic market in the US is NYC-FLL.

-------------Passengers 2002
NYC-FLL-----3,179,680
NYC-MIA-----1,399,611
NYC-BOS-----1,570,460

These are figures from the DOT

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 6:01 am
by ntspelich
From the Transportation Indicators Report - November 2002
http://www.bts.gov/products/transportation_indicators/november_2002/

This is the most recent set of figures that I could find

Most Heavily Travelled Routes of 750 Miles and More
http://www.bts.gov/products/transportation_indicators/november_2002/Mobility/html/Air_Fares_and_Passenger_Volume_For_the_Top_Five_Major_Long_Routes.html
Route Daily # Pax
1. FLL-NYC 8084
2. NYC-MCO 7789
3. LAX-NYC 6592
4. ATL-NYC 5926
5. LAS-NYC 4492

Most Heavily Travelled Routes of 750 Miles and Less
http://www.bts.gov/products/transportation_indicators/november_2002/Mobility/html/Air_Fares_and_Passenger_Volume_For_the_Top_Five_Major_Short_Routes.html
Route Daily # Pax
1. CHI-NYC 6433
2. DAL-HOU 4654
3. LAS-LAX 4527
4. BOS-NYC 4253
5. LAS-OAK 3958

So, the totals are:
1. FLL-NYC 8084
2. NYC-MCO 7789
3. LAX-NYC 6592
4. CHI-NYC 6433
5. ATL-NYC 5926
6. DAL-HOU 4654
7. LAS-LAX 4527
8. LAS-NYC 4492
9. BOS-NYC 4253
10. LAX-OAK 3958

NS

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 6:08 am
by timz
As MAH4546 said, NYC-FLL ends up at the top of DOT's list due to their peculiar choice of airport groupings. But the case for it is slightly stronger than it used to be.

Some people used to claim MIA/PBI/FLL-JFK/LGA/EWR was the busiest in the US, which it never was. But people who like to think FLL-NYC is the busiest could reasonably question how many California airports can be grouped now that they've partially slimmed down their own favorite.

Maybe I'll eventually find the link to the DOT stats-- they're never up to date, but better than nothing.

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 6:23 am
by charlieduke
Just a word of caution regarding the DOT data: There is a gaping hole in the enplanement data provide by the carriers to the DOT. Only “Large certificated air carriers”, which is defined as any carrier operating aircraft of 60 seats or more, are required to provide monthly enplanement data on their T-100’s. That means that the DOT city-pair numbers don’t include enplanement data from some fairly significant carriers, such as Skywest.

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 6:36 am
by FLAIRPORT
the opinions from this topic, as discussed several times here are MIA area-NYC area and LAX Area- NYC area. It always is that

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 6:38 am
by US A333 PIT
Any place for getting average fares?

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 7:55 am
by FATFlyer
And Charlieduke's comment reflects the problem caused by the data when people look at regional-heavy cities such as Fresno.

RE: Most Frequently Traveled U.S. City Pairs

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:33 am
by ntspelich
The websites where I got the pax totals from also has the average fare prices for those routes.

NS

Until Something Better Comes Along

Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:56 am
by timz
http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/aptcomp/aptcomp2001.htm

Like I said, out of date, but until somebody does better...

This table may have left out HNL-OGG, which is (was?) the busiest airport-pair in the country.

So in 2001 NYC-Florida and NYC-LAX weren't leaders-- but FLL has presumably grown since.