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Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:35 am

The day is arriving much closer....

The day that we have most feared....

Our beloved Concorde....


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The “Civilized Lady”, is going to be flying into Hitsory!

It is so very sad. The Concorde stood for so much. It was the epitomy of wealth, of luxury, of civilization. Soon, she will leave us.... or will she? Nothing will ever replace the grace and speed of this mighty and elegant lady.

The days are gone, that from Windsor Castle.. you would see her as she elegantly descended to homebase London Heathrow.


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The days are gone, that from Howard Beach you would see her rocket into the sky.. On yet another of her globetrotting journeys.

The days are gone, from which civilzed flight was created.

Nothing will replace Concorde, Nothing!

No one aircraft has claim to be home in the sky to royalty, to celebrities, to jet-set.

It is true Concorde was and will always be - Aviations dream come true!

So.. This is for you... our beloved, sleek and elegant “Civilized Lady”


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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:43 am

There are limits.

It's just a plane.
Your bone's got a little machine
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:44 am

and Boeing is just a company...

please leave this topic to CONCORDE!
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:46 am

Ok, Concorde is just a plane.
Your bone's got a little machine
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:50 am

Nice post, KI777jfk.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

And you are so right, Concorde is more than just a plane, just as aviation itself is more than a means of getting from A to B. It's all about the "romance" of it all, the "passion" many of us here share about the industry and the sleek, graceful aircraft that fly the globe.

Cheers!
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 6:54 am

I agree with 777236ER

It is just a plane.
You can cut the irony with a knife
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:00 am

Not to be rude....


Why is it that there seems to be anti-Concorde comments from the Americans?

i.e. Luv2Fly, 777236ER

The Concorde program is very important to the New York economy!

Dont discount the Concorde!

This website and this forum are dedicated to aviation... not the depletion of!


Concorde - "Civilized Lady"



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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:01 am

It is just a plane.

Just like the Mona Lisa is just a painting, the Empire State Building is just a structure, The Grand Canyon is just a hole in the ground, or Stonehenge is just a collection of big rocks.

Concorde may be a plane...but she's an extremely special one that means a great deal to people throughout the world.
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:04 am

Well KL777JFK since your in NYC then your analogy is all wrong since you seem to love her. And since this is a discussion board everyone is entitled to there opinion. Even if it not the same as yours, and your most expert opinion on anything aviation as you seem to be an expert on all things, by the sheer volume of all the threads you have started.

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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:08 am

I don't want to get into any anti-Boeing (or Airbus) thing here but it is an extremely sad day when a plane retires and is replaced by technology that doesn't even approach it in sophistication. Whilst I'm not quite as emotional as some it does concern me that the future of air travel is more of the same, albeit with more economic engines.

In addition it is a monumental day for the British (and French); never again will they lead the world in a field such as aviation, they face a future of being on the periphery and it is now upto nations such as China to find the same spirit that drove Concorde forward. The reality of a domestic market of 2 billion makes this inevitable.........

Just my thoughts, disagreements welcome!
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:08 am

Please...


Luv2Fly...


This conversation has to do with the Concorde and not outlashing at others!


Concorde - "Civilized Lady"



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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:12 am

Boeing has many wonderful products as well...


747
777
767


All have bridged the World closer...


Thank you for your knowledge!


Concorde - "Civilized Lady"



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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:13 am

Kl777jfk,

777236ER is from the UK.

I have to agree that the Concorde is not your typical aircraft and I surely will miss it.

But to be honest, I'm getting annoyed by all these "Farewell Concorde" posts.

It's one hell of an amazing plane, there is no question about it and it will deeply be missed. But this is over doing it.

Regards
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:16 am

Then at the same time lets cease

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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:30 am

What time in US Eastern time will Concorde depart and land for the last time on 10-24?
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 8:23 am

Who came up with "civilized lady" anyway? They synonymous, no? A "lady" already implies sophistication and well-mannered demeanor. A chickenhead, pigeon, or skeeol would be the opposite of a lady, but the 'Corde could best be associated to one of those WWF broads.
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 8:55 am

last concorde departs JFK at 7am Friday morning

Let me tell you, for the first time i watched the concorde take off this past Sunday, and it was amazing. I was in awe several minutes after it took off. Can't believe i waited this long to see it. Now i plan to watch come back and land at JFK where it will be housed at the Intrepid Air and Space museum. It's an amazing plane.
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:20 am

Anyone who says that Concorde is just a plane is apparently not very into aviation because they would know both the historical and other various aspects that have influenced their hobby/interest that have spawned from the Concorde.
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:30 am

Very well said, EA_CO_AS. The Concorde is special, and the well-written eulogy by KL777JFK definitely brings to mind many of the emotions those of us that enjoy commercial aviation, as well as those involved with the Concorde and have flown the majestic bird feel.
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:01 am

What time will it land for the last time?
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:14 am

BA I agree with you 110%

...enough already
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 10:29 am

lol..

I don't think this thread is going to produce the result Kl777jfk is looking for.

Sorry man.. This thread is a bust.

This has got to sting
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:22 am

Concorde...


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Was a magnificent dream....

It is a pity not all of us flew on her....

Dont knock something... if you havent tried it!


Concorde
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 12:28 pm

Concorde..


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It was once stated to me that there are three things to aspire to in life!

1/ Wealth
2/ Notability
3/ Concorde

It was explained to me by a relative while on holiday in Australia. When I asked why Concorde. The very simple discreet responce was -

It is all three in one!

You see the Concorde, was not just a plane... It was -the- plane!

 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 1:06 pm

It is just a plane. But a special plane. A rare plane. An amazing plane.


Good bye, Concorde, You have served us well.
And we all salute you Concorde, and Concorde's crew, you've definetly made it into the history books for a long time to come.


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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 1:16 pm

Bye, bye Concorde. I will miss seeing you at JFK, something I've seen since the mid 70's.

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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 8:36 pm

OK, Concorde Bashers in this thread - Tell me the last time you saw a Boeing/Airbus/McD or any other manufacturers plane land or take off and people viewing it were cheering, clapping or crying about it? That was the scene at Birmingham (BHX) on Monday that I witnessed.

I for one have been feeling pretty sad all week about the retirement. Nothing will beat Concorde in my mind concerning civil aviation.

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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:08 pm


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Oh concorde, never again will you grace the skies. With such noise, power and beauty. No plane has ever done what you have before and will never again for a long long time.

You are the only civil aircraft that people stopped for and gazed in awe. You are the only aircraft to ever have been respected in the way you are, and you are the only aircraft that thousands of people turn out to watch.

You are our Concorde and goodbye. May you rest in peace

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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:15 pm

Hi Everyone...

Something that I just saw which you might be interested in.

These are pictures of the radar screen as the 2 Concorde's are being vectored onto the localizer together.

Amazing!

http://www.tamarweb.net/xwatch/photogallery/concorde.htm

[Edited 2003-10-23 14:15:54]
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 9:46 pm

I was one of the lucky ones to fly as a passenger a few years ago. Great giveaways, no doubt worth quite a bit now
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:07 pm

it is an extremely sad day when a plane retires and is replaced by technology that doesn't even approach it in sophistication

Er...I think you'll find that Concorde is 1960s technology and that today's aircraft are far superior. Just because they don't look as pointy and charge umpteen thousand dollars for a three-hour bus ride doesn't make today's aircraft less sophisticated - it arguably makes them more so.
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:35 pm

Backfire,

Er.... you havent flown on CONCORDE have you?

It was one hell of a bus ride.....

I must ask you as well.... How does it feel to have everyone at Sydney, or Cape Town look at your flight as it roars past? How does feel the travel as such immense speed? How does it feel to sit next to a celebrity? How does it feel to fly on "The Civilized Lady"

CONCORDE
"The Civilized Lady"


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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:45 pm

she may just be a plane to some, but for me is more than that. farewell beautiful lady....
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:49 pm

Backfire,

a lot of the technology that Airbus now employs is as a direct result of the development of the Concorde, elements of fly-by-wire, carbon brake units.

Just because the cockpit was analogue rather than glass does not mean the systems behind the dials were not advanced.

Tomorrow marks one of the saddest days in British aviation - others include
a) cancelling of the Miles M52 which almost certainly would have gone supersonic before the Bell X1, b) cancelling of the TSR2 - another aircraft way ahead of its time c) retirement of Concorde (before time) the most graceful aircraft to take to the skies.

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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:53 pm

One of my big regrets in life is never having the opportunity to fly Concorde. My parents got the opportunity about 20 years ago as part of a promotion by a local restaurantur (for which I am eternally envious). Still, It's going to seem strange not having Concorde in the air. She was a beautiful piece of machinery, and was a sight to see coming in to land. Somehow, civil avation will never be quite the same.

Fairwell Concorde  Crying

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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:11 am

I grew up near Washington Dulles (IAD) in Virginia and heard the Concorde flying overhead many times. I was very much into aviation and was able to land my second job slinging bags for a few summers. My company served a few airlines and was lucky enough work the Concorde ever other day. (She'd fly in late and leave the next morning) At the time I didn't feel too lucky since I had to be up at 3 something to be there by 4:30-5am. I'd get my coffee and watch the sunrise under one of BA's Concordes. Me and another guy would prep her and get all the things taken care of (water, power, toe bar, lav, stairs and other details I've forgotten...) Later I’d load her with bags and help push her out.

I spent a lot of awesome mornings with her and will never forget the feeling of driving up to her at the end of the concourse. The thing I remember most was how quiet she was on those chilly clear mornings. Her just sitting there was very peaceful. Four hours later she'd be rolling down the runway with all her power that modern aviation could muster!

As G-BOAG made a final arrival at Dulles last week it was good to say goodbye. End of an era I'd say.

Yeah, she's just a plane but I felt such an honor to work her.
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:07 am

Im sorry but if you are posting here and you love aviation then I don’t understand how you could call the concord “just a plane” and not feel sad about her retirement.
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:26 am

All...

I agree, Concorde isn't just any old plane, but I'm sorry, I'm not getting all emotional over its retirement. I've only had the fortune of seeing one once, at Dulles a few years back, and it was the experience of a lifetime, even if she was only sitting still. I wish I'd had the opportunity to watch/hear/photograph Concorde in action, but life is full of disappointments.
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:03 am

The end of Concorde operations means the end of a unique chapter in commercial aviation. While the plane was not a commercial success, it was a remarkable technical achievement and a beautiful aircraft. It's retirement deserves all the attention it's being given in this forum.

If you don't like the Concorde threads, don't read them and get a life.

Long Live Concorde!

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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:13 am

I think that the very fact 10,000 people turned up at BHX on Monday to see it land represents the fact it is not just "another plane". I bet 9,000 of those 10,000 couldnt pick out an A320 from a 737, but they still came to see Concorde.

I'm sure the rest of the farewell tour has been much the same.
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 4:09 am


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When the last 727 of UAL or AA was flown.... there were no such crowds...

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Concorde
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:04 am

Kl777jfk wrote:

"It was once stated to me that there are three things to aspire to in life!

1/ Wealth
2/ Notability
3/ Concorde"


People who say that one should aspire to these three things (particularly the first two  Big grin) must lead pretty sad, materialistic and superficial lives.

How does it feel to sit next to a celebrity?

No different than sitting next to any other person I guess -- just with an interesting story to tell afterwards.

Having said that, the retirement of the Concorde is indeed a historic event. It was a product truly ahead of its time, the only plane that always drew the attention of even the most jaded travelers. And, yes, it was an incredibly beautiful aircraft.
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:58 am

Yes I have to say farewell to this great plane. I first saw Concorde for real in 1979 at JFK (1 BA, 1 AF) and again in 1983 at JFK (BA). Alas, it would be a long time before I would see 1 fly, namely last year over London. Now I have seen it take-off from LHR twice and fly over my home in Cardiff several times. Tonight I braved the cold air to look out for it on its final flight to JFK. (Alas I could not go to Rhoose to see it today - a great shame!) At about 1930HR I finally heard it go by - far to the South, perhaps directly over Penarth but those unmistakable Olympus engines made it clear what I was witnessing. It was dark and the plane was little more than a dot in the sky racing away but I stood there, looking on, still. I was seeing history.

Concorde attracted thousands to Rhoose to see it for one last time. If anybody could name any other aeroplane which has captivated people to nearly the same extent for as long as 30 years I would like to know. It was truly a great plane. Perhaps, though, it is best that it goes out while on top, while still dear to all of us, rather than see it go further into decline.

Farewell Concorde.

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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 4:47 pm

a lot of the technology that Airbus now employs is as a direct result of the development of the Concorde


Yes, I know. But you can also say that the technology Concorde employed was a direct result of the experiments by the Wright Brothers, the jet engine on the Comet, the delta-wing of countless other high-speed aircraft...

Concorde was just another link in the chain. If it had been the strongest link, we'd still be flying it - or something similar. It's just another aeroplane. To me, there are other more successful aircraft which are just as impressive. I'm getting a little nauseous over the sentimentality and the Concorde-luvvies' efforts to convince us that we should all be in mourning. It's like Princess Diana all over again. I wish I had a 'vomit' icon.  Insane
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:12 pm

The last day is here  Sad

BBC Breakfast on BBC1 is mainly about Concorde this morning. They're at LHR with Rod Eddington and people like Judith Chalmers with plenty of Concorde footage.

The BBC website is full of Concorde stuff today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/

GMTV have someone at LHR and also have lots of Concorde footage and Richard Branson on the sofa who still thinks that he can get Concorde in the air. Then flick over to BBC1 to hear Rod Eddington say it will never happen Laugh out loud

It's a great aircraft.


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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:50 pm

How can we not feel emotional about an aircraft's retirement? Emotions are what we are as humans. Are we aviation enthusiasts because we have some other need? No, we choose this hobby because it makes us happy to look at planes and a lot of us got a great sense of pleasure from the Concorde's flights. For those of us that love Concorde, this Friday is something more like a funeral though since this plane is definitely going before its time. We know the reasons for it and this isn't the thread to debate those reasons, just to look back on past accomplishments. For a lot of us, this will be as close as we ever get to a flight on Concorde ever.

Personally, I am at least lucky I had a chance to see one up close. Kind of hard to do in the Midwest, but thankfully a rich individual decided to charter one for a birthday bash and when it came to town, it was like watching the space shuttle land (or at least Columbia from STS-1 or 2). Local television stations pre-empted network programming to show it land live and my dad took me to the airport later that day to see G-BOAG in person.

Personally, I am feeling rather sad, yet proud. I knew the day was coming, but I felt an emptiness when I heard that the last revenue flight departed LHR for JFK. Its an emptiness since it seems we are going backward, not forward (even though we have advanced pretty far since the late 1960s). We no longer send men to the moon and now, passengers can no longer feel the sensation of traveling at twice the speed of sound for more then a few minutes (like what most military pilots do). They can no longer feel the heat of friction on the windows and the increase in cabin temperature as a result. They will no longer experience a western sunrise at 60,000 feet while drinking champagne and enjoying fine cuisine. After Friday, BA, like Air France, will seem to become "just another airline" as the flagship that helped make them unique will be gone. Granted BA has other things going for it, but supersonic service is what helped make BA what it is today and chances are most people on the street would probably reply "Concorde" at the simple mention of "British Airways".

Yes, "The Civilized Lady" seems like an appropriate title, even if not technically accurate. She was born from French and British parents in a marriage that wasn't all roses. Frankly, what marriage is these days?. Even though she didn't grow up to meet her full potential, she still could make heads turn wherever she went and most everyone who met her came away with a smile on their faces. And people will still talk about her long after she's gone.
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:10 pm

Mark my words, when the A380 comes along no-one will be talking about Concorde. They'll all want to play with the new toy.
 
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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:48 pm

Backfire,

I very much doubt people will get emotional in anything like the same way they do about Concorde - sure the A380 is bigger than other airliners - but thats its sole claim to fame - it doesn't do anything special. Concorde is the pinnacle of civil aviation in so many areas, its also the pinnacle of all aviation in many others.

But far more important than all of its performance and achievements and firsts - ITS A WORK OF ART. Proof that form does follow function and look how beautiful aerodynamics can be !!

And art provokes emotion.

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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 7:21 pm

Mark my words, when the A380 comes along no-one will be talking about Concorde. They'll all want to play with the new toy.

Hmm.....the A380 won't have a drooped nose, delta wings, fly at mach 2.2 at a height of 60,000 feet. Somehow i think apart from the hardcore aviation enthusiasts like us, no one in the general public will blink twice when the A380 rolls out.

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RE: Farewell.."Civilized Lady".. Concorde

Fri Oct 24, 2003 8:58 pm

So long...

I'll grab another when she's pushing mach 2.
Indianapolis, IN

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