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G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 2:36 am

According to http://www.concordesst.com, a possible date for BA Concorde G-BOAD's ferry flight to New York was today, October 27th. Does anyone know if this still remains true? How is it going to be transported from JFK (or EWR?) to the Intrepid museum?



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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:18 am

Maybe they'll take the Intrepid out to sea and have the Concorde do a Carrier Landing?
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:21 am

There putting her on an aircraft carrier? well if any airplane can do it she can.
 
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:32 am

This has been delayed, as there are problems with the Intrepid people (BA want concrete assurances about preservation standards, Intrepid wants assurances that every single drop of fuel is removed, impossible in the short to medium term), so a bit of an impasse.
The plan is to put Concorde on a barge for display next to Intrepid.
But this impasse cannot go on for long, BA has others who can take the Intrepid allocated Concorde, I'd like to see Manston in Kent get it instead.
 
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:34 am

I dont see why the Americans should get it anyway, becasue when the services were first started, the USA didnt want anything to do with them!!!!

I think all of them should stay in the UK!
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:41 am

i beg to differ.

yes, its representitive of british technological advances and enginuity, but you tell me what Concorde's most well known route was. i think new york belongs somewhere in there. NY and the USA have become just as synonymous with Concorde as London and the UK have. for a country thats quite a few times bigger than GB, the USA is only intended to get 1 or 2 Concordes.
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:41 am

Seattle will get one, and it's a fine museum with a great track record, so fair enough.
Though some of us who had visited the Intrepid already warned him, the BA guy who is dealing with the Intrepid was not happy at the condition of the aircraft on the carriers deck, in the same environment as Concorde would be in on the barge next to it.
Also, Intrepid want every gram of asbestos removed, even though the small amounts on Concorde are inaccessible (and therefore no danger).
 
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 5:52 am

The Cradle of Aviation Museum in Garden City New York is a better place then the Intrepid for the Concorde, even though they have the 1:2 scale model from Time Square. The Intrepid is mainly military aircraft while the Cradle of Aviation in Garden City is about Aviation on Long Island!

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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:46 am

AA 777 I agree 100% The Cradle of Aviation Museum is a much better place for her. Not only will she be much better protected from the elements, the museum does a much better job representing the growth of aviation on Long Island which the Concorde and JFK are a big part of.

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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:49 am

Yea, but who is gonna go out to Long Island to see the concorde? I'm pretty sure the point is to have the tourists, when they visit the Intrepid, to be able to see the concorde too, and not have to either rent a car, or take LIRR and then cab/bus on a more than hour ride to see a plane... The Long Island museum, is probably mainly for NY area residents (I'd be interested in seeing how many international, and people farther than a 150-mile radius they get per year)....
 
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:23 am

Whilst I appreciate that the USA has the greatest number of aviation museums on the planet I fail to see why they want more than two Concordes after all Air France have donated one to the Smithsonian and B.A. have allocated one to Seattle, which means that there is one on the east coast and one on the west coast what more do they want? After all they didn't want the aircraft to land in the US when it was first flown.

If it wasn't for the short sighted politicians who restricted any future development of the SST program following the launch of Concorde the European aerospace industry could be leading the world in SST technology with aircraft capable of flying non-stop across the Pacific from the USA to the far east and Australia.

Its seems so sad that the dream has died and the world's airline travelers seem destined to a future of overcrowded large passenger airliners and the subsequent delays at the destination airports that will be incurred.

 
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:48 am

According to http://www.concordesst.com does it not say that there is a delay of all the BA Concorde due to them waiting for an official announcement from BA where they are going?

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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:10 am

You know, GDB, was isn't Cradle of Aviation, a fine site, being considered? It is not far from NYC at all.


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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:18 am

Quick question...where are they going to fit the Concorde on the Intrepid? Last time I was there (August), I couldn't see anymore military jets being put on there...not to mention the fact that Cradle of Aviation does have Expansion plans. Isn't one going to the new center for the NASM in DC?
 
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:01 am

The Concorde should go to the Air & Space Museum, unless there's one there already.
 
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:10 am

Anyone want to guess how the Concorde will get to BFI when it is donated to the Museum of Flight in Seattle?

Even though the Concorde is finished with commercial travel I am sure they are in good enough shape to be ferried across. The cost of putting them on a barge and shipping it that way is insanely expensive and impractical.

I think it would be very nostalgic to witness the Concorde landing at BFI for the last time.

 
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:10 am

Futterman,

Your reference to the CONCORDE!


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The United States may have been one of many chosen destinantions for this incredible piece of aviation.. However, the United States has been one of the most critical of Concorde since day one! The reason Concorde did not grow within the United States was to due to people making every obstacle known to man happen at airports around the U.S. during the early days of Concorde.

Pan Am had ordered Concorde and later cancelled the order due to the high operational costs, and skipping it would have to do as it flew across the country.

In the end the elegant bird.. which was a home away from home for the most elite was at home with Air France and British Airways!

As recent as a few days ago - people in Howard Beach, New York were toasting Concorde as she rocketed overhead. What were they saying "be gone with Concorde".

The U.S. I do say must have a Concorde. However, since British Airways operated this piece of civilization it is for the British to decide and not the Americans.

A most suitable destinantion for Concorde would be - Smithsonian, or perhaps heavily guarded at the entrance to the JFK Airport in New York!




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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:17 am

""Anyone want to guess how the Concorde will get to BFI when it is donated to the Museum of Flight in Seattle?""




G-BOAE will fly to Seattle (with a refueling stop, possibly in Gander or Bangor, Maine) on November 3rd. It will go on display in one of the world???s leading aircraft museums??? The Museum of Flight, which includes exhibits such as the worlds first ever Boeing 747 and a De Havilland Comet 4.


It will be flown in at subsonic speed over land! And I for one will be at BFI at 12:01am on November 3rd, and remain there till 11:59pm on November 3rd, and I will be parking my semi in one of the loading dock parking lots that surround the runways ( I deliver to a lot of them)

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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:23 am

anyone know when G-BOAA will be coming to scotland?

and how its getting there?

I would presume it will fly to Edinburgh?
 
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:28 am

a340pilot,

Thanks for the information. I have marked my calendar and will be there for the arrival along with the hundreds if not thousands of fans.

I am surprised I have not heard more about this? Along with the quiet media attention and the late arrival they must be trying to keep it quiet with little fanfare.

 
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:33 am

No problem, and yes that is why I will be going there the night before to make sure that I don't miss it! Also that is why I will be taking my tractor/trailer so that no one can get in my way when I take pictures, ill just stand on top of my trailer  Big grin

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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:49 pm

Just to clarify, if Intrepid does get a Concorde, it will be on a former NASA barge next to the carrier, not on it.
 
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:43 pm

Cradle of Aviation isnt even New York City, who the hell are they to get one? They aren't even easily accessible by public transportation. It would be like hiding it in your attic. Forget that.

It should be on the Intrepid. NYC was the most important non-London destination for the BA Concorde.

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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:56 pm

intrepid is a much better place. think about it, intrepid in within nyc. it's accesable by subway. even though the intrepid is a military museum i still think it is a better home for concorde. cradle, well i think that they need to do a lot to that museum.
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Tue Oct 28, 2003 11:35 pm

Hmmmm... I've been to the Intrepid and the condition of the existing aircraft certainly leaves a lot to be desired.

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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:02 am

So, with ~20 airframes built, how many are going to be inside, and how many outside?

I guess we can count out the accident airframe in Paris and the one Air France aircraft that has already been dismantled. There is also the "spares" aircraft that B.A. has torn down over the years.

It will be beautiful to see the Tu-144 and Concorde displayed side by side outside in Sinnsheim, but I'd rather see them nose to nose in a large hangar like the Air Force Museum in Dayton. At any museum, you can judge how the aircraft are going to be treated by looking at the other aircraft already on display. Before long the AF Concorde in Sinnsheim will be a corroding hulk on stilts...

If it were up to me, I'd ensure the aircraft would be displayed inside, in at least a somewhat climate controlled environment for the benefit of future generations....


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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:55 am

NYC definitely deserves to get one, but does Concorde deserve to be put outside on an aircraft carrier deck? Or even on a "separate barge" (what else? put it in a swimming pool?)? Tasteless and inappropriate at best. Like SLCPilot said, the aircraft must be "displayed inside, in at least a somewhat climate controlled environment for the benefit of future generations". Anything else is of zero importance.
 
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 7:24 am

I can see it now - a nice storm in NY and the barge ends up sinking - bye,bye G-BOAD - the only Concorde I have flown on.

If the intrepid museum are a) not exhibiting BOAD under covers then they should be struck off the list - b) asking for BA to spend additional funds before then cna display the aircraft then strike them off the list and c) exhibiting it on a barge - then strike them off.

G-BOAD shouldn't be anywhere near the intrepid it should be on dry land and under cover.

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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:26 am

the storms here in the city have very litte effect on the hudson river. i still don't want to drive out to cradle...... prefer the subway into the city.  Big grin [going old school]
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 9:54 am

It seems that the barge next to Intrepid that OAD will be housed in, will be covered.
 
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:49 am

What if the barge sinks?  Smile

"Yea, but who is gonna go out to Long Island to see the concorde? "

You're right, why do folks from the Dakotas even bother going to Disneyland, it's too far. Who's gonna got to Seattle if one goes there? Anyone on the western part of the country. Anyone will go the distance if there are two Concordes in the US, if you don't wanna go that far, you're missing out bigtime. You should be happy you are so close to it compared to everyone else in America.

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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:04 pm

Lehpron, you obviously know nothing about New York.
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RE: G-BOAD To New York Today?

Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:18 pm

Yeah, I have never been there, but I did not display any ignorance.  Smile

I do realize there are such things as severe traffic issues in NY, that can drive a local mad, but to folk who have never beeen there...okay, i also see the opposite opinion existing in majority...but the point is: People will come regardless of it's location.
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