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Dtw757
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Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:28 am

If NWA now has 5 330's, where are they using them? I can see on the current schedule 3 to AMS and 1 to FRA. Are they rotating them with the 5th aircraft on these routes. How often does one need servicing. It seems that if you had 5 new aircraft, you would want them to all in the air every day. Also, how is it widely known that no more will be delivered this year. Where do you find that out?
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:36 am

NWA plans to eventually put the A330s on pretty much all the international routes served by the DC-10-30s. They will soon be serving LGW as well as NRT. And I would expect they will eventually reach HKG and CDG as well. Believe me, expect a massive expansion of the A330s on international routes. As more A330s enter service, the route expansion will increase If I were you, I would go to google.com or airbus.com. They are sure to provide answers about the delivery schedules. (oh yeah)! Try checking out nwa.com too! I'm sure the A330 is all over the NWA website right now considering it is a brand new aircraft in NWA's fleet!

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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:38 am

DTW757,

I am not sure the routings for the 333s, I know that most of them fly DTW-AMS and FRA. All A330s will fly soley from DTW to European destinations until the 330s are flying to all of the European destinations from DTW. Then, NW will add the A-330s to other European destinations (i.e. MSP-AMS, MSP-LGW...).To answer your second question, the NW Employee News Line reported that the last 330 of the year was delivered today. That is where I get the majority of my information. I would assume that the next 330 would come into the NW network in Jan of 04 (not sure though).
 
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:50 am

Nwcoflyer,

Thank you for that information. That's what I was wondering is how it's known that 805 will be the last for the year. I've kind of got the total number and the routes from nwa.com and the copy of WordTraveler magazine that debuts the 330. I've looked at airbus.com and couldn't really find anything out about the upcoming deliveries. You've got the inside info.

They must be using 4 for the flights right now while maintaining the 5th. I guess this insures 330 service for all flights to AMS and FRA.
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:56 am

Any reason they decided to give MSP the shaft? Seems a little weird to give one hub all of the attention.

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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:01 am

Well it could be considered a first that NW is giving DTW preference over MSP. Maybe the airline industry is changing??? hmmm...
 
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:06 am

MSP is going to be the MX base for the A330s, so my guess is we will be seeing more than any other hub once all planes are online. Also, when the delivery is taken, we take them into MSP before they enter service. They are not giving us the shaft because we get to keep the DC-10-30s longer.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Watch the flight trackers and you will see an A330 at MSP about once a month.

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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:15 am

Number 6 is due in March---
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:21 am

What are they going to do with the DC-10 hangar at DTW they just built a couple years ago once the DC-10s are gone? ARe they going to be used for the A330s?
 
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 11:08 am

They were backing 802 out of that hanger just over a week ago when I was there. Any ideas what they would be doing to it there?
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:11 pm

The fifth aircraft will enable NW to have a spare... one A330 had problems yesterday, so NW had to fly a DC-10 DTW-AMS, then AMS-DTW today... this caused a lot of problems...
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The DTW base received the A330 first b/c DTW is NW's transatlantic hub...
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HKG is not A330-bound -- I don't know why that keeps getting posted here.

[Edited 2003-11-05 05:13:01]
 
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 7:52 pm


Northwest A330-323 c/n 552 N802NW Delivered TLS-MSP 2 nov 2003.

Ivo
 
Dtw757
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 8:11 pm

Northwest A330-323 c/n 552 N802NW Delivered TLS-MSP 2 nov 2003.

I think you might be thinking of N805NW. I think N802NW was actually delivered in July.

The fifth aircraft will enable NW to have a spare... one A330 had problems yesterday, so NW had to fly a DC-10 DTW-AMS, then AMS-DTW today... this caused a lot of problems...

That's what I was sort of thinking that the 5th a/c would allow them the spare and they wouldn't have to switch to a DC10 at all on either AMS or FRA.

I take it that 805 is not actually in service yet?
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 8:12 pm

Ivo

NW802NW d.d. was 8th of July c/n 533 so i guess N805NW c/n 552 has been delivered on the 2nd of November.

Correct me if wrong,

Virginia
 
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 8:20 pm

DTW757

Amsterdam actually has 3 NW flights with A330's all DTW, delightfull to see them with this lovely wintersun when they taxy from the Polderbaan to the terminal on v.v. to the runway.

Nice clean shot with 80 mm.

Greetings Virginia

 
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:56 pm

Does anyone know What NWA cities will be served by the A330-200's once they enter service next summer. I would assume they would be used over the Pacific because of thier longer range but hoping to hear someone confirm this!?


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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:15 pm

NWA330Tony,

In the copy of WorldTraveler Magazine it says

"The A330-200 model, with 243 seats will enter service a year from now and provide a longer-ranged airplane that can operate on the routes between Seattle-Tokyo, between San Francisco-Tokyo and in some of the Asian markets that Northwest serves beyond its Tokyo hub. "

Not sure if that answers your question or not.
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:28 pm

Thank DTW757 for the quick answer like i said thats what i was expecting them to do but its good to now have that theory confirmed. Once again Thanx
 
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:35 pm

Virginia,

Hello, AMS seems like a very friendly place to take pictures. Most of the pictures of the 330 seem to be coming from AMS. This color scheme sure looks good on it. DTW is not that friendly for spotting. Fortunately I will be taking my first trip on one in just over 3 weeks. DTW-FRA
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:50 pm

I would love to see the A330 used on a new PDX-NRT route and then maybe a PDX-Seoul route.
 
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 12:06 am

I drive past DTW every afternoon on I-94, at about 1:00pm. I almost always see an A330 parked outside (or inside) of the DC-10 hanger. I even take my digital camera with me and try to snap shots while I drive! I haven't been successful in getting a good pic - Anyway, an A330 (or 2) is usualy there in the afternoon. I assume it is getting some maintenance at the DC-10 hanger.
 
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:06 am

Don't expect HKG to see A330 service anytime soon. That won't happen until the -200 series is deployed in the Pacific. The most likely city to see the 330 this winter and spring is CDG. LGW is served by MSP and DTW so those flights can be accomplished by a MSP crew (pilots) as MSP-LGW-DTW-LGW-MSP. It is also very likely to see FCO added to the schedule this Spring from DTW. Minneapolis is scheduled to fly the A330 but not for at least another year until there are more in the fleet. The West Coast bases like SFO/SEA will see the -200 late Spring, early Summer for trips to NRT. MAYBE you will see the -200 flying PDX-NRT if NW can get a deal with the Port of Portland. Stay tuned...
 
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:29 am

Just a slight bit of clarification:
N805NW arrived in MSP on the afternoon of November 1st but left for DTW on Novermber 3rd.

Pretty quick stop.

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Dtw757
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:53 am

The website mentioned above www.mspupdate.com claims that aircraft 805 is making it's way to DTW and will start service with LGW. Anyone know if there's any truth to that?
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 3:49 am

I was under the impression that the first -200 wasn't planned until 2005.

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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:02 am

Sorry about that. I didn't get a chance to change that. I had heard, a while back, that it'd start on the LGW route (I was wondering why I couldn't find a A333 it in the schedules to LGW). It's changed now, however.

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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:10 am

I understand the first -200 is c/n 614 due '04.

618,620,621 and 631 are all -223's due early'04.

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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:24 am

618,620,621 and 631 are all -223's due early'04.

It pleases me to be wrong on this topic.  Laugh out loud

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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 5:53 am

Dtw757, Virginia


Sorry for the typo. I was in a hurry. Yes it was N805NW that was delivered 2 nov 2003.

Ivo
 
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:46 am

Just got an e-mail with some news from the NWA pilots union about the A330s. Here's what they're saying:
  • "The HNL base will open early… March 1… with 12-18 crews. Ultimately it will have 60 crews"
  • "DTW DC-10 base will close April 1. 15-20 positions will move to MSP for February flying. (Might keep half of DC-10 base until May 1)"
  • "Early delivery of 3 A-330’s in 2004. All DTW-Europe flying except LGW will be A-330’s. This includes DTW-Rome."


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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:08 am

Any idea what the plan for LGW is? That says all DTW-Europe flying will be A-330's except LGW.

Also maybe it's been discussed before and I missed it, but where are the pilots coming from for the A-330? Are they being transitioned from DC10's and 742's or maybe upgrading from 320's or 757's? Maybe a combination of all that?
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:21 am

"The HNL base will open early… March 1… with 12-18 crews. Ultimately it will have 60 crews"

I thought the HNL base was to be DC-10s. Is it to be A330s?
 
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:08 am

The HNL base is to reopen with DC10 crews as the 747 base closes. Why would NW base 330 crews when no 330s even fly to Hawaii?


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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:14 am

I'm guessing the majority of the A330 pilots come from the DC-10 - to keep seniority levels similar, etc...

I'm glad to see that NWA seems to be accelerating their introduction of the A330.

And 60 A330 crews to HNL - does that mean that ultimately all of NW's flights out of HNL will be A330?
 
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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:51 am

Yep, sorry about that again. It was a little missleading having that stuff about HNL in there. No, A330s are not going to HNL!

But I believe Azjubilee has got it. HNL is switching from B742s to DC10s.

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RE: Northwest 330 Plans

Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:14 pm

To sum up.....

5 A333 have been delivered. All DTW-AMS is A333 and so is DTW-FRA.
For the time being the 5th A333 will be used as a spare.
DTW-CDG will be the next route to go A333, sometime in early 2004
DTW-LGW will remain DC-10 for now, since MSP-LGW is also DC-10, and allows for better crew/aircraft rotation.

The DC-10 hanger in DTW, will perform overnight work on A330's. Heavy maintenance will be in MSP.

First -200's arrive in mid-2004. NW is only deploying a few in the Pacific. For the most part, the A330 will be used to replace DC-10's across the Atlantic.

Remember the A330-300 has 20 more seats than the DC-10-30's do.

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