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L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Wed Nov 05, 2003 5:11 pm

I noticed on pics of TWA's L-1011 that the bulkheads had murals on them, and they seemed to be different in each section of the plane. Does anyone know what the murals depict? (it seems to be a faces of somesort and in one you can see a guy on a horse) was it supposed to be somesort of theme of places TWA flies?

I also noticed that the celing and wall areas near the galley and doors seem to a darker color then the rest..very unusual...
 
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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:48 pm

I've seen pics of these and brochures from the period (1970s). They look like images from various TW destinations. I remember one showing the statue of David, another with a dragon motif, a third one with an African flavor (profile of a woman). And they were different colors: green, orange, red. On most of the early Tristars the ceilings had a gold plastic near the doors and intermittently through the cabin, to break up the tube look I suppose. The L1011-500 interiors didn't have that so much.

Go check out some of the TW interior pics on this site (747 and 707) from the 70s. I'm told that they had a number of different seat covers that they mixed together to make different-style cabins, so the planes looked different. You would never see that today ... just blue and grey all the way through.
 
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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:09 pm

TWA must have done away with these by the time I flew on an L1011 in 1989. They weren't on there then. I even took a picture of the interior of one of the A/C that I was on. I have been thinking about submitting the photo.
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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:30 am

I have seen those murals in photos as well, but by the 80's TWA had painted them over with either red or blue. Eastern had a mural on the last bulkhead in coach. It had all these creepy Sun dials all over it.
 
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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Thu Nov 06, 2003 11:05 am

Here are some photos that show the bulkheads.
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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Thu Nov 06, 2003 12:05 pm

TWA also had small murals on the first 4 or so overhead-bin doors in each cabin. I remember these when I flew on the Tristars in the early to mid-90s.

They were some type of coat of arms or something.

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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Thu Nov 06, 2003 12:32 pm

thanks for all the info! =)

from those pictures, I don't know if its just the angle but the celings look really high, especially since there is more space above those grids in the celing. It must have been quite an experience to ride in one.

CF-CPI, yeah I have see those pics! they are really interesting too, some wall panels on the 747 are black. I guess by todays standards those mixture of seat covers colors and wall panels really look hideous, but I guess it must have been a way to break up the tunnel effect? I also noticed on the overhead bins on the L-1011 there is some sort of crest design (where the cabin is a different color) I wonder what that is?
 
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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Thu Nov 06, 2003 12:40 pm

Jetboytwa: you mean like in this photo?
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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:46 pm

It´s always been a heck of a ride on the L1011´s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very high ceilings indeed!
I never ever felt cramped inside!

I just love the beutiful old lady!
Too bad most major carriers have already phased her out!

I should try to fly on her at least one last time!!!
Does anyone know if ATA is operating scheduled service on the L1011?
As far as I know, they only fly military and holiday charters with her!

Best regards,

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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:41 pm

I also noticed that the celing and wall areas near the galley and doors seem to a darker color then the rest..very unusual...

Most L-1011's came from the factory with dark gold laminate on some ceiling panels and all door surrounds. Most Carriers chose to paint these white later on to give the cabin more uniformity.

TWA must have done away with these by the time I flew on an L1011 in 1989.

I first flew on a TWA L-1011 in 1977, and the interior shown above (including the coach bar) were long gone. Bulkheads were either dark blue cloth (forward bulkheads) with two mirror strips running horizontally or red cloth (aft bulkheads).

Eastern had a mural on the last bulkhead in coach. It had all these creepy Sun dials all over it.

We still have an EAL closet with those faces on it floating around DL and yes, it is kinda creepy. The forward bulkhead had a "starburst" pattern on it.

I also noticed on the overhead bins on the L-1011 there is some sort of crest design (where the cabin is a different color) I wonder what that is?

Along with the overhead bin "crests," I remember seeing a "seal of the city of Indianapolis" on a cross aisle closet in a TWA L-1011 around 1990. Very strange..............


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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:36 pm

I think I know why the ceiling looks so high. There were no overhead bins for the center 5 seats. At least on the TWA models that I was on. It was horrible. I remember we were seated in 16 8 and 9. That's how the numbering worked on TWA L 1011's at the time. There was no 1 ABC......

Anyways it was the window and aisle seat just past the 2nd a/c door. We made sure to board early to get our stuff in the overhead bin before the middle seat passengers got on and started cramming their stuff in there. Nothing worse than flying overseas with your carry-on on the floor in front of you.
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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 4:43 pm

yeah, I think the lack of overhead bins contribute to the celing spaciousness. I think some models had a partition between the center section seats (when they were a 2-4-2 configuration) and I was told it was a coat closet. Perhaps this center partition tried to make space for the lack of overhead bins.

I agree, those eastern sun dials are really creepy....
 
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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 7:55 pm

That´s right, when the L1011 was first introduced, most airlines used to have a much roomier interior, resulting in lower passenger capacity!
For example Eastern's version of the L1011 was configured to carry 229!!! passengers, but as we all know there was enough space on board to cram in 400 people!!! Imagine how roomy and huge it was!
The early L1011´s had so many luxurious and interesting features!
Boasting eight-foot ceilings, indirect lighting, individual temperature control, music headsets and living room comfort, a chandelier decorated the front of the cabin and there were 2 stand up, padded bars one in the front and one in the back!
And yes, there was a kind of coat closet in between the 4 center seats, containing 4 coat-hangers!
They also served as a divider between the 4 center seats, giving passengers more privacy! (now unimaginable in any economy class section!!!)
Most customers of the early L1011 versions had them installed (inluding EAL and TWA)!
These were also the versions without any center stowage bins!
Back then they were simply not needed, there was enough room in between seats, in the closets and also under the front seat, while still allowing passengers to stretch their legs!
Also passengers didn´t bring that much carry-on luggage back then! Mostly purses, briefcases, hats and beautycases! Remember, at this time in history the ever popular trolley-suitcase had not yet come into fashion!
Some airlines later refittet their L1011´s (at least some of them) with center overhead compartments when putting more seats on them!
DL´s L1011-250 and 500 series for instance all had center stowage bins! While most 1 series had none!
On the 500 series I think they already became standard!

Oh I miss my L1011! She´s my baby!!!

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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Fri Nov 07, 2003 11:46 pm

Aaaaah, the L-1011. Very fond memories of my FA L-1011 days at WG in Canada. Beautiful aircraft, and a joy to work on; the crews especially loved the idea of the lower galley design.

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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Sat Nov 08, 2003 4:19 am

"I think I know why the ceiling looks so high. There were no overhead bins for the center 5 seats".

At Worldways, our 2 Lockheed 1011's had no centre bins, and yes, it made the cabin look immense. However, no centre bins created bitchin scenes during boarding, when pax would literally scramble and fight for the use of the side bins to stow their cabin baggage. FYI, the Worldways L10's were the only 2 in the world that had a spacious lower lounge, accessed by a staircase in A cabin-centre. This lounge was connected to the lower galley by two doors on the port and starboard side of the lounge. The galley also had the 2 service elevators (of course). The rule at WG was that cabin crew were allowed to use the service elevators to get themselves up/down to/from the main deck. We had to use the staircase only.

WG leased 2 L-1011's from BCAL (British Caledonian) for the winter seasons.
These BCAL's had the centre bins, and quite honestly, they did not take away any from any sense/degree of spaciousness in the cabins. Also, BCAL had beautiful interiors on their L10's, and there was a small centre galley at doors 3L/R. A real joy to work on.

Unfortunately, WG also leased an L10 from Eastern Airlines; the WG crews referred to this particular aircraft as "the roach coach"; Eastern delivered this leased L10 to WG straight from the tarmac at Miami, where no grooming had been performed on the aicraft all the time it sat there. Oh well....

Anyway, as I stated, I have quite fond memories of this aircraft type. Very comfortable ride, and the pax loved the spaciousness.


 
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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Sat Nov 08, 2003 8:45 am

thanks Canadi>nBoy! =)

hey, do you if movies were still shown with film projectors on ur airline's fleet? If so, how did they change the reels of film. I imagine it must be a tough job if someone had to change it from the celing?

L1011Lover, that is really some really great info! btw, how did the individual temp controls work? did every passenger get their own air vents? (like on 747, which I think are adjustable but only inthe direction of the airflow). I also heard some seats offered an inflatable adjustments, I guess for cushion firmness?
 
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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Sat Nov 08, 2003 9:41 am

Back in the days of the film projector on aircraft, how this worked was a reel of film was placed at the front of the aircraft, and the film ran the entire length of the plane going through multiple projectors as it traveled to the take-up reel at the back. The film was installed and threaded before passengers boarded, meaning to start the show, all you needed to do was push a button. If the film broke or otherwise did not work properly, you were basically out of luck. Some airlines, notably Pan Am, would give passengers a choice of movies (usually a family film and one slightly more sophisticated one) running in alternating cabins on a 747. We've come a long way on IFE...

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RE: L-1011 Bulkhead Murals?

Sun Nov 09, 2003 3:54 am

Unfortunately, WG also leased an L10 from Eastern Airlines; the WG crews referred to this particular aircraft as "the roach coach"

Every EA L-1011 that DL got from EA was infested with roaches. If you pulled back the carpet you would see lots of extra "passengers" on the carpet tape. No wonder they had dark brown carpet.
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