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Delta DC-8 Questions

Wed Nov 19, 2003 2:19 pm

I have a few questions regarding Delta's DC-8 fleet. First of all, I heard that the DC-8s unusually large windows were designed around a 39" seat pitch in Coach. Did Delta's DC-8s ever have this great a seat pitch and if so, for how long? After the seat pitch was reduced was it impossible to see out the windows from some seats?

Also, when were the last DC-8-51 flights operated, and on what routes were they generally assigned to in their last years of service? Delta: An Airline and its Aircraft by R.E.G. Davies states that they were all sold by 1981, so I presume that the last scheduled services with the DC-8-51s occured around this time?

Finally, what routes were the DC-8-71s usually assigned to in their last years of service, before being transferred to UPS? Were they comfortable aircraft to fly aboard in their last years?

I look forward to reading your replies.


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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Thu Nov 20, 2003 9:57 am

Delta's last DC-8 revenue flight was (I want to say) in August 1987, MCO-ATL- BWI-ATL. If I remember correctly, there were only the stretch's left-DC-8-62, and I know they were re-powered and hush-kitted. And for a short time referred to as the DC-8-72's because of the upgrades.(Somebody please correct me if I'm mistaken). They went to UPS and trying to remember if they were sold to UPS and then leased back to Delta. The seat pitch was still pretty good. I remember it fondly, because my last DC-8 flight was FLL-ATL in June of that year and remember talking about the 8's retiring very soon.
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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:03 am

According to Delta: An Airline and its Aircraft by R.E.G. Davies which answers some of these questions but not all, Delta converted their -61s to -71s in the early 1980s, sold them to UPS in 1986 and then leased them back until 1988 or 89. Apparently they were retired with "due ceremony" but it gives relatively little insight on the whole process.

So in general what routes would you most likely find a DC-8 on in the 1980s?

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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Thu Nov 20, 2003 10:24 am

I have that book and it's great! Too bad I'm at work, Missing my point of reference. They flew routes such as ATL-MCO, ATL-BOS-YUL, ATL-BWI, ATL-FLL, ATL-SAV, ATL-JAX, ATL-EWR and those are only a few that I can think of off the top of my head. TPA, PBI and MIA come to mind as well...There were several, but shrank as the Eighties progressed.
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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:43 am

From my September 1988 schedule, DC-8-71's show up on the following routes:
BWI-ATL-FLL
ATL-FLL
ATL-MCO
FLL-EWR
EWR-ATL-MIA
LAS-DFW
ATL-JAX
BWI-ATL-MIA-FLL
TPA-ATL-BWI
FLL-TPA-ATL
LAS-DFW-ATL-EWR
ATL-LAS

They show the aircraft with 18 first class and 194 coach seats.

By June of 1989 they were gone from the fleet.
 
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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:54 am

Delta's last DC-8 flight was May 1, 1989
ref: Atlanta Airport/A Pictoral History by George Clearly
 
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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:01 pm

I flew on a lot of DL DC-8's in the 80's .... to the best of my recollection (in addition to the above):

ATL-JAN-DFW
DFW-SEA
ATL-DTW
ATL-SAV

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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Thu Nov 20, 2003 12:07 pm

I flew a DL DC-8 (re-engined to a 71 I believe) in the early 80s ATL-EWR. From what I remember, it didn't seem old and ratty at all. In fact the only thing I do remember that struck me as odd was how many of the rows were located between the windows! I was fortunate to have a row lined up with a window.
 
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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:55 am

While were discussing the DC-8, what routes would you be most likely to find United's DC-8s on in their last years of service. If I remember correctly they were used fairly extensively on services to Hawaii. Also, when did Eastern retire their DC-8s?

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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:29 am

Eastern retired their DC-8's before Delta, in the mid-70's. They were all gone by end of '75.
 
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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:35 am

There is a photo in MEM airport of an overhead view of the ramp in the mid-70's. The photo shows a DL DC-8-61. I know DL had a bigger presence in MEM in the 70's than today.  Smile

 
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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:38 am


While were discussing the DC-8, what routes would you be most likely to find United's DC-8s on in their last years of service. If I remember correctly they were used fairly extensively on services to Hawaii. Also, when did Eastern retire their DC-8s?


UA's DC-8s where flown extensively on the EWR-LAX, EWR-DEN and sometimes the EWR-CLE routes.
 
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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:02 pm

United retired their DC-8-71's after Delta. The last flight was operated OGG-SFO. While Delta only had 13 DC-8-71's, United had 30. It is true that Eastern retired their DC-8-61 and 63's in the mid 70's, but continued to own them and leased them to other carriers.

Delta retired their last DC-8-51's in 1981 and at the end they were used almost exclusively on charters. In 1989, when Delta flew the last EIGHT, there was coverage on the local news in Atlanta.

The last DC-8-71 flights I took were ATL-EWR and ATL-DTW.

The windows in the 8 were much larger than the Boeing windows or those in a DC-9. In the original configuration, there was one per row, with 38 inches of pitch. The other unique thing about the Eight's windows, at least on the short Eight were there were no shades, but rather curtains just like in the Douglas DC-6/7 aircraft.

Delta never operated DC-8-62's. The only major US carriers to every operate that aircraft were United and Braniff.
 
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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Fri Nov 21, 2003 3:26 pm

Regarding the late great DC-8; If I'm not mistaken, I remember DC-8 service as late as the summer of '87 with Delta. They handled BWI-CVG-MIA and also BWI-ATL-MIA. I flew on DC-8's twice when I was a wee lad. First on Eastern from MIA to BWI (then known as Friendship) in the summer of 1963. And, in August of '66 from ATL-MIA. That last flight was supposed to be a DC-9 but, that bird was having issues so, a DC-8 which had arrived from JFK took out this segment (flight). Both of these 8's had the big windows and curtains instead of the pull down shades. In addition, the seats were cool. The gaspers (air conditioning vents were in the seat back in front of you along with the oxygen and tray table. There was also a light mounted in the seat back. But wait! There's more! These early jets featured a rectangle fluorescent reading light mounted on the upper right corner of each passenger seat. These early DC-8 cabins were a hybrid of classic prop and jet age 50's modern.
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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Fri Nov 21, 2003 3:36 pm

For what it's worth:

In January 1987 I watched a Delta DC-8-71 take off from EWR's short 6,800' east-west runway, 11-29, to the west. Was surprised to see that big a/c on that short runway.

United flew the stretched, DC-8-61 or 63's, to ROC during the spring and summer of 1978. I remember seeing them circle over my suburb, the Town of Greece, on the way in, which meant they were almost certainly coming from ORD.

Delta seems to have liked to fly that big honkin' plane into small-medium markets--JAN, SAV, and there's a picture in the database of a -61 or '63 at LIT in the early '80s. Were there any other small-medium markets that saw the DC-8?

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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Fri Nov 21, 2003 8:40 pm

UA was operating DC-8-62's LAX-OGG in 1991 Right ??? I thought DL was still flying the DC8 in 1991 out of LAX..So when was the last rev flight on a DC-8 by a US major ??
 
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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:02 pm

I flew on a "stretch 8" in the mid-'80's from ATL-EWR. It was a comfortable flight. I LOVED the sound the engines made! Don't remember too many seat rows that didn't have window views...

I lived in BHM for a while, and I know they had at least one flight thru there from ATL-BHM-JAN-DFW. Was replaced by a 757 later. I believe most DC 8-61/71 flights were ATL-northeast, ATL-Florida and northeast to Florida.
 
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RE: Delta DC-8 Questions

Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:30 pm

DC8-72 still going strong. Look at this baby :

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Range : 11.000 km,

IMO BBJ's are for beginners ...

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