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Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Thu Nov 20, 2003 5:57 pm

From spring 2004 SAS will operate 3 weekly flights between Copenhagen and Shanghai, CEO Jørgen Lindegaard told standby.dk today. The move has been made so that SAS will not see customers go to close competitor Finnair on the important Chinese market. On the other hand Lindegaard stated that further cuts in the routes and schedules from Norway and Sweden to the USA is very likely.
 
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:19 am

Very good news for SAS! Its great to see them expanding and this route will be a strong plus for the business travellers. Did Lindegaard mention specifically which routes to the U.S. will be cut?

SAS at one point was looking at Boston, Atlanta, Miami, and San Francisco...Does this mean those routes are dead too?

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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:26 am

I don't think those routes are dead, but perhaps SAS is waiting for the market to stabilize before they start more long haul routes. Keep in mind that SAS' previous strategy was to start a new long haul route every 5 years.
 
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:10 am

From what he said, it seems like only routes from OSL and ARN are in danger.
 
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:31 am

This is great news for a frequent SK flyer like myself, any ideas of possible stops on the way or which plane they will use ?
 
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:36 am

Sounds interesting. What about HKG??? Will SAS return one day?
 
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:42 am

SAS should look at MIA and SFO due to a large UAL Star Alliance presence there...yes I know AA dominated MIA but UAL is 2nd and has a lot of nonstop domestic and Lat-Am flights from MIA too. Theres no need for SAS to fly to ATL as they have no hook up with DL to warrant that move...same applies to BOS!!!
 
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:50 am

Um, perhaps they want to serve ATL and BOS so that Scandinavians can travel their native carrier there?

Foreign flag carriers do not exist as global feeders for US airlines.

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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:57 am

The route OSL-EWR are loosing a lot of money. I do not hope they will stop it, but think so. Maybe they will expand their routes and use their planes to Asia instead, I could se Delhi again, maybe...... Finnair are making it very well on their Asian routes, why should SAS not take some of their passangers?
 
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 8:02 am

SK to MSP  Smile Most of Minnesota and both the Dakotas are all Norwegians, Swedes and Danes anyway  Big grin Should be able to fly their "home" carrier  Smile
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:44 am

The OSL-EWR route is only flying 3 times a week now, and the other 4 days the route operates from ARN-EWR. If the route is indeed losing money I would probobly discontinue the OSL service and change it to 5 or 6 times weekly via ARN. I think though that OSL is a very seasonal service and it generates a lot of revenue during the summer months. Shanghai should be a good route and hopefully it eventually gets expanded to 5 flights or daily. SAS flew to Delhi a couple of years ago, but from the information I gathered the route had pretty good loads, but the yield just wasnt there so I guess it didnt make a profit and was discontinued. A few months ago there were rumours about service to Johanesburg, but I am unsure if anything is going to come out of that. SAS will only have 11 long haul aircraft when the next A333 arrives and the last 767 is discontinued from service, so their expansion may be limited by a lack of aircraft.
 
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:23 am

I have a question:

Why does SAS operates the majority of its longhaul flights from Copenhagen instead of Stockholm or Oslo?
 
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:04 pm

Lan_Fanatic

Copenhagen has been established at SAS's primary airport for several reasons. First of all the facilities at CPH are very nice (recently renovated) and the airport is probably ranked as one of the top airports in Europe in terms of travelers opinions.

CPH is also nicely located at the crossroads of European commerce, there is a lot of shipping ports, and other large businesses that come to Copenhagen. More airlines fly to CPH which gives better connections for travelers who are in transit. There are other reasons but these are the main ones...

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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:05 pm

Maybe it's because I'm from Oslo, but I think it is important that SK keeps the EWR to OSL flight. SAS should keep a direct flight between the three Scandinavian capitals and the US
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:19 pm

I sure hope that SFO is next.
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Fri Nov 21, 2003 3:25 pm

Maybe it's because I'm from Oslo, but I think it is important that SK keeps the EWR to OSL flight. SAS should keep a direct flight between the three Scandinavian capitals and the US

Sure they should, but times have changed, SAS has changed into some kind of divisions, Norway, Sweden and Denmark. Every country have to make the money, and if a flight is loosing money and they can't see it will improve it will be canceled longhaul or shorthaul. Lindegaard has stated that from now on it is usual business, and not as before, where they should please everyone and loose a lot of money, flying where the yield is love. In a way sad but also common sense, SAS will be driven as any other airline, did't Lufthansa cancelled a flight to USA because they loosed money on it? They didn't continued because Berlin is the hauptstat of Germany
 
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:21 am

SAS had plans prior to Sept. 11'th top start the routes from CPH to:
Shianghai, Hong Kong, San Francisco and LAX and start a direct route to SIN indstead of the CPH-BKK-SIN route...

After Sept 11'th SAS stated that they would simply prospone the routes, so it seems as if they are on their list of destinations that are due some time in the future...

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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:16 am

I don't think that the OSL route should be upheld for all costs, even though I'm from Norway. However, if both the OSL-EWR and ARN-EWR routes are losing money, a good shot could be to try ARN-OSL-EWR. Then if the plane still isn't full, sell seats from ARN-OSL and make money that way too  Smile
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:35 am

Gigneil: Foreign Flag carriers do exist as feeder carriers as long as they have a US airline flightnumber on it as well. This probably contributes to why SK flies to ORD and IAD where UA has many connecting flights, feeding SK the easterly direction.

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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Sat Nov 22, 2003 9:13 am

No more than United is a feeder for domestic SK flights as UA flights going to Europe will also have an SK number.
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:12 pm

KaiGwyer: Very true! The feed works in each direction for both carriers.

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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:18 pm

However, its not their primary goal. The feeder service is a benefit.

If SK offers flights to ATL, for example, its so that Scandinavians can travel there online. It is not a prerequisite for it to be a major UA city to warrant nonstop service.

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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Sun Nov 23, 2003 11:54 pm

Does SK's A330-300 have the range to serve destinations such as LAX, SFO, or PVG non-stop? Or would they have to use the A340-300s? I've never been sure why SK didn't order the A330-200 instead, since their intercontinental routes are pretty long and thin. The only market I can really see the A333 being good for is EWR/JFK and maybe ORD, or MIA if it started.
 
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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:30 am

The A330's are preferably used on the shorter routes across the Atlantic such as EWR, ORD and IAD. The A330 should be able to make it to SEA and PVG as well, but probably not without payload restrictions. SAS has a few A340's that are currently used on the EWR and ORD run out of CPH, which cold be redeployed for longer missions if needed.

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RE: Confirmed: SAS To Shanghai From Spring 2004

Mon Nov 24, 2003 12:37 am

As for the feeder thing, does anyone know if SK still have the agreement with CO, which prompted their move to EWR?

As for ATL, I remember that DL used to have a flight to CPH, but I can't remember if it was to ATL or JFK (might have been CPH-JFK-ATL), because my dad once flew with them when he was in his old job.

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