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Largest Fleet?

Mon Dec 01, 2003 12:52 pm

Sorry in advance if this has been addressed already, but I tried doing a search and couldn't find anything.

I was just curious as to which airline, of all existing airlines in the world, has the largest fleet? Also, of the US carriers, is AA the one with the largest fleet?
 
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:02 pm

AA has the largest fleet worldwide...prior to the USSR breakup Aeroflot had the largest fleet...

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RE: Largest Fleet?

Mon Dec 01, 2003 3:33 pm

Thanks for the reply!  Smile
 
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:00 pm

Yep, world wide American Airlines is the largest with a strong fleet of over 900+ aircraft.
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:47 pm

From AMR's web site, the October 2003 fleet statistics:

AMERICAN AIRLINES

B777: 45
A300-605: 34
B767-323ER: 58
B767-223: 9
B767-223ER: 20
B757- 223: 146
B737- 800: 77
MD80: 362
F100: 48
Total: 799

AMERICAN EAGLE

Saab 340: 37
ATR 42: 12
Super ATR: 42
Embraer 145: 46
Embraer 140: 59
Embraer 135: 39
CRJ 700: 15
Total: 250

GRAND TOTAL: 1049 aircraft

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RE: Largest Fleet?

Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:07 pm

I would assume that AA has currently the largest fleet.
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Mon Dec 01, 2003 11:37 pm

I know I'm nitpicking here, but AA 757 fleet numbers need a little correcting. AA has 124 757-223s plus 27 ex-TWA 757s. The TWA birds are being return to their lessors once the leases are up. Regards.
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 12:37 am

no folks its Canadian North with...
2 Fokker F28-1000
1 B737-2T2C/Adv
1 B737-242C/Adv
3 B737-275C/Adv
total: 7

lol ok just joking, but yes it is AA with the big fleet there...


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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:06 am

What about BA? Do they have the largest fleet in Europe?

BTW SAA has 110 planes in their fleet

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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:32 am

What about BA? Do they have the largest fleet in Europe?

I think I read in another topic that BA has around a total of 350 aircraft in their fleet. Seems to me this would be the largest fleet in Europe, but not sure.


GRAND TOTAL: 1049 aircraft

Wow! Didn't realize that this is what their fleet, incl AE, consisted of! How does this compare with DL and UA?



The TWA birds are being return to their lessors once the leases are up.

Just curious, are all these leases up around the same time. And seeing as how AA is going to remove mrtc on the 757s, and since they are going to return these anyway, are they going to spend money to put the seats back in aircraft they'll eventually be giving back?
 
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:32 am

AA is removing 57 aircraft from its fleet. But Eagle is scheduled to get more deliveries of ERJs and CRJs. We'll see how they balance out.
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:39 am

SA006 and AASilverBird

Air France has the largest fleet in Europe followed by BA then Lufthansa.

Air France- 247 aircraft with a further 73 on order
British Airways-238 aircraft with a further 32 on order
Lufthansa-217 aircraft with a further 29 on order.

In terms of passengers its Air France then Lufthansa then BA
 
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:56 am

How many planes did Aeroflot have before the breakup...say in mid 1990 or mid 1991 counting every type in service including An-2s, Mi-8, all the other helicopters and all the other planes small or big. I would estimate 15000 or 20000? Anyone have an idea? How did they manage that fleet?
 
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:10 am

How does this compare with DL and UA?

AA: 1049 aircraft*
UA: 567 aircraft
DL: 829 aircraft*


*including all wholely owned subsidiaries' regional equipment
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:40 am

What about AF + KL ?
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:52 am

Concordeboy: About those numbers....how many are mainline? Are those 3 airlines really that far apart if you subtract regional carriers?

Also any one know about CO and NW?
 
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:57 am

hey
this was taken from the jet blue fact sheet

47 Airbus A320 aircraft (6 more to be delivered in 2003), all powered by International Aero Engines (IAE) V2500 engines

JetBlue has orders with Airbus for a fleet of as many as 202 A320 aircraft and has placed an order with Embraer for a fleet of up to 200 EMBRAER 190 aircraft. The first EMBRAER 190 aircraft will be delivered in 2005.

if this is true then probaly by 2008 Jet Blue will opperate 457 aircraft which sure beats United.

I would think that Easy Jet or Ryanair would have the most aircraft for the whole world largest low-cost airline.
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 6:09 am

what's funny is that AF claims to own 3,560 aircraft... which they dont  Laugh out loud
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 6:34 am

Sovietjet,

I recall reading once that at its peak, the Aeroflot fleet comprised 12,000 aircraft. Not sure at which point in its history that peak occurred, or how many aircraft it had before it was broken up into 400 different sub-airlines, but I believe that's a reliable figure. It may be somewhat misleading, though, as I believe the Aeroflot fleet included every civil aircraft in operation in the USSR, including planes like cropdusters. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this, though.

I couldn't even begin to speculate how a fleet that size was managed, but I would speculate it was managed about as well as the USSR managed just about everything else.

Syncmaster,

I'm having trouble finding the numbers for DL at the moment, but I believe it has almost as many mainline aircraft as UA (~550), and carries significantly more passengers. There's quite a gap between those two airlines and AA, however, when counting by mainline aircraft only.

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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 6:40 am

ConcordeBoy

When have AF ever claimed they had so many aircraft? That is definently not true
 
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 6:42 am

How many aircrafts AF + KL ?
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 6:47 am

N844AA...

I remember reading something similar as well about the 12,000+ Aeroflot fleet...cant recall for the life of me though where I saw that...

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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 6:50 am

before it was broken up into 400 different sub-airlines

Huh?!? Really??? First off, a fleet of 12,000 is staggering. I agree, I can't imagine how a fleet of this size was managed. But I don't understand the division into 400 different sub-airlines. Can someone please explain this to me?

And I thought SAS would have their hands full with a plan to divide into 11 different airlines.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:07 am

AASilverbird,

I have no idea how this process would have been carried out, but after the breakup of the Aeroflot and the USSR, the Aeroflot airplanes were distributed among the several hundred airlines and regional carriers that emerged in both Russia and the former Soviet Socialist Republics. I think most of the Russian/SSR airlines in existence today were started with former Aeroflot aircraft.

I guess an analagous situation would have been the factories of the hypothetical Soviet People's Bread Production Collective being appropriated/seized/acquired by a thousand different entrepreneurs in 1991. And Aeroflot wasn't just an airline, it was the Soviet airline and civil aircraft authority. When the Soviet state ceased to exist and thereby ceased to control factories/airlines/infrastructure, those resources were privatized for better or worse. And as far as airliners went, there were a lot of those planes to be redistributed.

Of course Aeroflot is still around, but only as a shadow (size-wise) of its former self. I imagine its safety record is vastly improved, however.

P.S. Out of curiosity, have you ever read the history of AA, Silverbird?
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:18 am

N844AA,

Thanks for shedding a little light on the subject. It still kind of blows my mind!

Funny you mention the book...it's more or less where the "inspiration" for my screename came from. (yeah, real orignal, I know!  Laugh out loud ) I haven't read it cover to cover (it's on my 'to do' list), but did read parts of it when i first got it a few yrs ago.
 
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:20 am

When have AF ever claimed they had so many aircraft?

June of this year


That is definently not true

And yet, they claim it on their website, plain as day

Probably a typo for 356 planes or some'in along those lines  Big grin

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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:28 am

Before the USSR broke up Aeroflot had an estimated 14,000 revenue-earning aircraft (passenger and frieghter aircraft). Just before the collapse they were carrying around 120 million passengers annually.

Now I dont know but even though 120 million may sound high isn't that quite low for 14,000 aircraft. I mean Delta and American are approching these passenger numbers with a fraction of the fleet size (even including subsidieries). Where there operations profitable or wasn't that an issue since it was controlled by a communist government?
 
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:15 am

AASilverbird,

I just wish I had some more concrete information for you. What I know is pretty much a mish-mash of a bunch of poorly remembered sources over the years. Hopefully it's mostly accurate though -- I'd hate to have led you astray  Smile

I don't think I've read Silverbird cover-to-cover yet either, but it's a pretty impressive history. Great selection of photographs as well. I hope the author can issue an updated version one of these days. God knows the last few years have been nothing if not momentous.
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:22 am

Re: the Aeroflot debate.

There are lies, there are damn lies, and there are statistics. This was never more true than in the communist era. That's my explanation.
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:23 am

OK, so we've talked largest fleet, but...

Which airlines have the largest passenger capacity?

And which airlines have the longest average flight lengths?

And which airlines have the highest revenue per kilometre average?

Top 5 for each anyone?
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:27 am

AA has both the largest ASMs and the highest pax/yr count.

Relatively sure that QF has the longest average flight lengths, but dont quote me.
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RE: Largest Fleet?

Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:48 am

Which airlines have the largest passenger capacity? I would say:
British Airways
Japan Airlines
All Nippon Airways
United Airlines
American Airlines
Air France

And which airlines have the longest average flight lengths? I would say:
Qantas
South African Airways
Northwest
Cathay Pacific
United Airlines

And which airlines have the highest revenue per kilometre average? I would say although I'm not sure:
Southwest
American Airlines
Emirates
All Nippon Airways
Continental

And which airlines are the oldest ones still in business today?
I would definitely say KLM and Qantas, those are the only two airlines as far as I can think of which are over 80 years old today.

And which airlines have the busiest hubs?
American Airlines: DFW and ORD
Air France: CDG
British Airways: LHR
Delta Airlines: ATL
United Airlines: ORD
Jet Blue: JFK
Lufthansa: FRA

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