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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:06 am

I know its an airplane hall of fame, so it doesn't exactly count, but...

They also missed a little invention known as the helicopter... I'd venture to say the VS-300 made a pretty big impact on aviation. Maybe not one of the top ten in everyone's opinion, but it certainly made a greater contribution to both military and civil aviation than some on MSNBC's list.

Anyone know what the author's background is, btw?

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RE: Things You Have Taken From Aircraft!

Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:20 am

A300 and 767? Are you on crack? They didn't change aviation. 747 did, but not to the extent that many airplanes did. Wright Flyer should defenitly be in the list, you can't change aviation much more than that one did. Don't know that I would necessarily include the P-51 either, even though it's one of my favorite airplanes.

My list would probably be, in no particular order:
SR-71
Wright Flyer
X-1
ME-262
J-3
C-172
JN-4
DC-3
707
I'd have to think too hard for a 10th and I'd rather not do that right now.
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:32 am

My list has only jet engined aircraft and in no particular order,

B707
B747
Concorde
B737Classics
DC9
B727-200
B777
A330/340 family
B767
A320
 
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:39 am

We here at a.net seem to be getting older and slower day by day. This time it took all way to post #48 to get on track with the topic. Thanks for that Hamlet69.

Let me propose a few candidates:

Sikorsky S-55 - made helicopters useful.
DC-6 - made transatlantic air traffic viable, virtually killed the ocean liners.
Piper Cub - made "learning to fly" open to the public.
MiG-15 / F-86 / Hawker Hunter / SAAB J-29 - totally modernized the concept of combat aircraft (they were true jet fighters, not old stuff adapted to jet).
Boeing B-47 - first fast, high flying long range bomber, grandfather of all modern transport planes.
Junkers Ju-52 - first real airliner produced in numbers.
Tupolev Tu-22M (or Tu-26) Backfire - just the rumours about this plane together with the SS-20 missile initiated the arms race, lost by the east, and eventually crumbled the Soviet Union.
X-15 - contributed enormously to our knowledge about high speed flight.

That was only 9. To make it 10, let me just add the DC-3 without comments.
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:42 am

If it was about commercial passenger aircraft only, I'd add the DC-9. An incredible little jet airplane that, IMHO, was the first regional jet.
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:34 am

Nobody mentioned the Beech Model 17, the beloved Staggerwing.


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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:38 am

Did Airbus introduce the fly-by-wire to the A300 or the A320. Whichever it is I think it should be in the top 10. Sorry unattendedbag but fair is fair
 
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:59 am

Ah, but which aircraft first pioneered digital fly-by-wire? An F-8 Crusader in 1972. What was the first aircraft to utilize DFBW throughout its production run? F-16 Fighting Falcon, which entered into service before the A320 by about six years. Thus one can argue that that NASA F-8 and the F-16 was more significant than the Airbus A-320 in that those two changed aviation, the A320 merely benefitted from that change.
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:02 am

EA777,

I don't think any A300's were delivered as FBW versions but I remember seeing the Company A300 fitted with FBW controls perform some spectacular fly-pasts at Farnborough AS in 1978 (I think). This aircraft served as a test machine for the Airbus FBW system.
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:11 am

This plane definately deserves the recognition:



The Heinkel He 178, the first jet-powered aircraft. It flew in 1939 under secrecy.

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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:21 am

First FBW plane was Concorde. Design details frozen 1963 - 40 years ago. First flight March 2, 1969.

The 1972 F-8 testbed and F-16 (and YF-17) were the first planes to utilise FBW for artificial stability on otherwise unstable planes.

- FBW on airlines like Concorde, Airbus 320 and later, and B-777 - all ordinary stable planes
- And FBW providing artificial stability on unstable combat planes like F-16, F/A-18, B-2 etc.
That are two entirely different animals.
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:27 am


Concerning the CIVIL aircrafts that REALLY changed aviation, I would say :


- Douglas DC3
- Lockheed Constellation
- De Havilland Comet (First PAX Jetliner)
- Sud Aviation Caravelle (First ShortMedium haul Jetliner. First a/c with rear mounted engines)
- Boeing 707
- Boeing 747 (The Giant. Opened a new era for air transportation )
- Concorde - needs no comment -
- Airbus A300 First Airbus plane. First short/medium haul wide body twin engine )
- Airbus A320 - First full electric command a/c. First civil a:c equipped with sidestick.
 
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:10 am

I think there are several important airplanes that were left off the original list:

The Wright Flyer

BAe Concorde

B-747

...And no in general I don't think 767's changed aviation that much...but (I know it's still very sad) I think there are two particular B-767's and two B-757's that, on 11SEP01, changed not only aviation but the world forever.

That's just how I feel.

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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:32 am

There is no right answer for any of these 10 airplanes. The fact remains that aviation, more so than any other technology except the microchip, has changed the last century more than anything. My top ten airplanes are:

1. Wright Flyer - Impractical, inefficient and barely flyable but it started everything and Im a sucker for the "first" anything.

2. DC 3 - Probably the best all around airplane ever made. I have flown in one once, took off, but never landed in one.

3. F4 U Corsair - As a kid, Ba Ba Black Sheep was the reason I did homework. I actuually met Robert Conrad when I was 12 in First Class on a Delta L-1011 from DFW to LAX. He was studying a POH for a Cheyenne as I recall. I got his autograph on a picture of a Corsair in an aviation book I just happened to have on board.

4. Cessna 152 - I soloed in this airplane.

5. Pitts S2B - The first airplane I ever owned and I feel I truly mastered.

6. Grumman Albatross - Oh, to have one of these, on Lake Havasu, on Memorial Day weekend, I would sooo get laid.

7. Pilatus PC-12 - I flew one in Reno once. Truly the ultimate personal A/C.

8. Boeing 747-400 - Who doesnt dream of having one of these decked out with a corporate interior.

9. Sikorsky S-76 - One of the coolest things I have ever seen is one of these start ena then engage the rotor clutch. If you are riding in an S-76, you have truly made it in life.

10. F-8 Crusader - It safely brought my Dad home from Nam, and is truly the last Gunfighter.

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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:37 am

in my opinion...
Wright Flyer
Spirit of st luis
Heinkel He 178
Flying boats
DC-3
DC-4/DC-6
DC-8
707
727
737
747
777
A300
A320
A380
Concorde
Comet
SR 71
Herc
An225
just to name some of them important aircraft...


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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Thu Dec 04, 2003 6:20 am

"Concorde or the Tu-144 - did they really change aviation?" - well, it depends on what you call "change"! Yes, they "failed to reach even a minority of the flying public" but they made supersonic travel a reality, not a dream anymore. "They were not the designs that actually changed their particular segment of aviation, they were merely the precursors to the designs that did" - this is correct for many "candidates to the list" but you can't say the same about both SSTs the history knows - by obvious reasons. So, I'd say, both Tu144 and Concorde did change the aviation - same as Apollo program changed the space exploration, despite it was "a tiny episode" ("proportionally") in history of space flights. Again, depends on what you call "change"...
 
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Thu Dec 04, 2003 6:36 am

Same can be said to anyone mentioning the A380 a plane that hasnt even entered service yet.

I was thinking the same thing. How could an aircraft that hasn't even flown its first flight have changed aviation? Besides that, how will the A380 change aviation as in the context of the article? It's just a larger, more modern aircraft...
 
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Sat Dec 06, 2003 6:25 am

1) Yak-3
2) IL-2
3) MiG-15
4) MiG-25
5) Su-27/ 30 / 35
6) Tu-95
7) Tu-104
8) Tu-144
9) Tu-154
10) IL-18



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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:02 am

Yak3? La5/La7 was way better... Yakovlev was inferior to FW190, it was said by many Soviet pilots, including ace Arseny Vorozhejkin. I don't see anything special in this airplane at all...

Il2 - definitely a "candidate to the list", one of the greatest aircraft of WWII.

Tu104? Well, the first twin jetliner in the world... once (after Comet but before B707/DC8) was the only one... by far not enough to be among those that "changed the aviation".

As for everything else - some of them definitely deserve to be mentioned/discussed while others are too ordinary... for sure, not "aviation changers".

Special note about Il18 and Tu154 - none of them is a "candidate to the list" but both are great airliners...
 
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:07 am

The one and only 747. Long live the 747.
 
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:19 am


Airbus 340-600, very comforable... and european.......  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Sat Dec 06, 2003 8:02 am

1.) Wright Flyer
2.) Curtiss Jenny
3.) Douglas DC-1
4.) Iluyshin Il-18
5.) Piper Cub
6.) Sikorsky chopper
7.) Boeing B-52
8.) Boeing 707
9.) North American X-15
10.) Boeing 747
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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Sat Dec 06, 2003 8:06 am

1. The wright flyer
2. Spirit of St Louis
3. DC-3 Dakota
4. Lockheed Constellation
5. Comet
6. Boeing 737
7. Bell X-1
8. Concorde
9. Airbus A320
10. Boeing 747

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RE: 10 Aircraft That Changed Aviation

Sat Dec 06, 2003 11:37 am

My top 10 list:

1) Wright Flyer(first man made device to fly)
2) Douglas DC-3(first production airliner)
3) Boeing 707 (first mass production jetliner)
4) Bell X1(first to break the sound barrier)
5) Douglas DC-9 (first mass-produced short-haul jetliner)
6) Boeing 747 (first widebody jetliner)
7) X-15 (first spacecraft)
8) Fokker F-28 (first true regional jet)
9) Boeing 727 (first tri-jet)
10) space shuttle (first and only re-usable spaceplane)

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