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qexonial
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Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:59 pm

Good day,

I bet most of you would have noticed the difference between MH's A332 and A333. I wonder why they do that since they are from the same family? Does anybody know why?


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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:01 am

Is the lack of SATCOM fairing on the -300s?
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:01 am

the 333 is longer than the 332  Laugh out loud
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:04 am

Good day,

RE: AFC_ajax00
What is a SATCOM?

RE: UTA_flyinghigh
Very good! I didn't actually think of that. How stupid of me? Well, that is true, but something in those two photos shows a difference as well.

Cheers!



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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:07 am

Are you talking about the larger vertical stabilizer on the A330-200? It's to stabilize for the shorter fuselage (difference in moment-arm or something). Other 'shrink' derivatives also have it (A318 and 747SP come to mind).
 
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:12 am

Ehhh what? I can't see any clear diffence other than lenght!
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:13 am

Qexonial, that bulge on top of the A332 just forward of the second door, houses the satellite communications antenna.
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:19 am

Are you talking about the larger vertical stabilizer on the A330-200?

Isn't that an optical illusion ? I thought that the 3B6,332,333,342,343,345,346 had the same vertical stabilizer...

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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:24 am

Isn't that an optical illusion ?

Nope, it's actually bigger. Same goes for the 345 and 346, also bigger vertical stabilizer, similar to that of the 332.
 
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:32 am

Yes, many "shrinks" have a taller vertical stabilizer, because of the shorter moment arm (as Scorpio correctly pointed out). To use a simple example in plain English, try pushing a door open using the doorknob, and then try it again pushing close to the side with the hinges on it. It's a lot harder--you need to use more force. Similarly, when a plane is shorter, the rudder needs to work harder in order to achieve the same effect.

But otherwise, I can't see any difference between the two planes in terms of color scheme or anything. Perhaps Qexonial would like to enlighten us?
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:43 am

The only difference I can see is the spacing between the Malaysian flag and the word "malaysia" on the fuselage... but that's it...

P.S.: Yes, I am aware that that comes from the shorter fuselage of the 332...  Big grin

[Edited 2003-12-09 16:43:46]
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:21 am

Yes, many "shrinks" have a taller vertical stabilizer, because of the shorter moment arm

Probably the most noticeable example of that is the 747SP
 
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:30 am

That's the difference I see :

A330-200 : Pratt & Whitney PW4000
A330-300 : General Electric CF6-80E

Probably from 2 different leasing companies ?
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:44 am

MrFord,

All of MH's A330's, both -200s and -300s have PW4000 engines.
 
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 1:49 am

Other notable examples beside the 747SP include the A318, as was pointed out above (and also in the various discussions about F9 being unable to taxi their new "short buses" under the pedestrian bridge at DEN) and the MD-87, which has a funky little extension above the horizontal stabilizer.

I'm still curious as to what the heck Qexonial was getting at...

[Edited 2003-12-09 17:51:04]
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 3:10 am

Yes our A332s have Satcom while A333s dont.

Apart from much better interior products onboard A332s (one reason why they will now be deployed on routes over 5 hr operated by A333s before), there are quite a few differences.

IFE is different for sure. A332 is Matsushita while A333 is Hughes (no PTVs).

A333 engines are PW4168 while A332s PW4168As.

A332s have a centre tank (carries more fuel) and A333s dont (shorter range).

There are a lot more technical differences. If you want I would post the list here later. There are also minor parts in the A332s' gears that can't use A333s.
 
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 3:12 am

Those are all good points, but none of them is visible in these photos (except the Satcom antenna)...
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:18 am

Is there a price for guessing it right? First class ticket maybe Big grin

My guess is:
hmmm the A332 got a darker grey colour than the A333 on its lower fuselage and the engines.

Is that right Ben?
 
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:21 am

I think that's just the lighting of those particular photographs...
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:35 am

Where is Qexonial when you need him??? PLEASE, tell us what difference it is you're seeing that the rest of us seem to be missing!!! Big grin
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:41 am

Well, the regos of the A332s are in a different font compared with our A333s.  Big grin

Any other differences are meant to be there, A332 IS different from A333 in quite a few ways from the outside as mentioned by other above even though they are from the same family.

what is it Qexonial?
 
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:00 am

Good catch with the rego font! I hadn't noticed that one.  Smile

Seriously, I can't imagine what else it might be, aside from the fundamental differences between the 332 and 333.
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:22 am

One pic shows the thrust reverser open, the other shows them closed?

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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:55 am

Maybe one of them are sabotaged, cut weir´s?
Reading about Malaysia´s A330´s been tampered with.
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:57 am

Good day,

Sorry guys. You guys must think that I'm a loser or a loner. But it may just be me, but does anyone see the difference in the size of the kite logo on the tail between the two? The A333 is bigger than the A332. Does anyone see it just from the two photos on the top, or is it just me?

I apologize again.

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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:21 am

On the A333 it is placed slightly higher but that is due to the bigger tail of the A332.

Differences between A333s and A332s:
A333 is 63.6m in length
A332 is 59m; 10 frames shorter; 6 frames fwd 4 frames aft.

A333 is 16.7m in height
A332 is 17.8m in height

Specificly for MH planes:
A333 MTOW is 212 tons
A332 MTOW is 230 tons

A333 MLW is 177 tons
A332 MLW is 182 tons

A333 Max Fuel Capacity is 97530 litres
A332 Max Fuel Capacity is 130909 litres

A333 Range is 5600NM
A332 Range is 6450NM
 
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RE: Spot The Difference Between MH A330s

Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:35 pm

does anyone see the difference in the size of the kite logo on the tail between the two? The A333 is bigger than the A332. Does anyone see it just from the two photos on the top, or is it just me?

It's just you. The larger fin - 3 feet taller, just makes the logo look smaller.

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