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RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2003 2:01 pm
by Air1727
Yeah, the 757 to ORD is for the holiday traffic. It should revert back to all 80s after mid-Jan.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:33 pm
by atrude777
Dang it, will we get the 757 back to DFW??

Alex.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:52 pm
by MAH4546
The 757 on ORD-STL-ORD will only operate on:

ORD-STL: 10, 17, 24 January
STL-ORD: 11, 18, 25 January

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 1:59 pm
by atrude777
oh ok thanks very much MAH4546

Interestijg, why si it on selected dates?

Alex.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 2:03 pm
by pilotpip
767Lover,

The funniest thing about AA being the 'official airline of the St. Louis Blues' is that they no longer use them for charter flights. They take SkyKing 732s from SUS unless they go to the west coast and need more runway. Then they take the 732 from STL.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't see STL ever getting back to the pre 11/1 levels. I really miss seeing the 767s. The only widebodies flying there now are the FX DC-10s and the ocassional A300 or A310.

Atrude, Embraer is heavily marketing STL as a prime hub for airlines to use the new 70-100 seaters from. From STL they have the legs to hit every major city in North America and the latest scuttlebutt I'm hearing on the north side of the airport is that one of the regionals could be placing an order for them. B6 would be wise to consider flying them here as well.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:06 am
by InnocuousFox
"Interestijg, why si it on selected dates?"

Those are weekends, first of all.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:35 am
by 767Lover
Pilotpip,

The funniest thing about AA being the 'official airline of the St. Louis Blues' is that they no longer use them for charter flights.

That is funny. Doesn't Southwest do a lot of television advertising for the NFL or NHL?

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:59 am
by TLHFLA
From an aviation-enthusiast standpoint, having the 757 removed from the ORD and DFW routes stinks, but apparently since AA is adding more seats to coach in the 757's, the S80s will be more comfortable.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:20 am
by LambertMan
I don't really think much of the removal of 752's of the routes mean much, I think it's kind of a two sided sword. Yes, it is nice to see them, but in one way it shows that with the downgrading of service, that STL is maybe served a little better with the services they have now than what they originally thought (instead of having to connect through DFW), and they are coping w/ STL demand byshifting those larger aircraft to areas where the O/D demand instead of the connecting demand is greater than that of a S80. Big thumbs up

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:57 am
by atrude777
[i]"I don't really think much of the removal of 752's of the routes mean much, I think it's kind of a two sided sword. Yes, it is nice to see them, but in one way it shows that with the downgrading of service, that STL is maybe served a little better with the services they have now than what they originally thought (instead of having to connect through DFW), and they are coping w/ STL demand byshifting those larger aircraft to areas where the O/D demand instead of the connecting demand is greater than that of a S80."[/i]


ok huh?!?!?!

So let me get this straight,....so ur saying its GOOD when we have an S80 on a such route as opposed to having a 757 to that route?

ok lest take STL-LAX
It had 757, and 767 on that route. Now when AA came in, they got rid of the 767and had only 757, now its down to S80's and THATS GOOD??!?!? I realize MORE flights generally mean a good thing but I'd rather have big aircrafts. Because it means it holds more, therefore, it must mena its succesful route?

ok would you rather have 1 767 to LAX? or 3 S80(or however how many S80's are needed to fill one 767) to LAX? Me? I'd choose the 767.

I am curous as to what you'd rather have lambertman- a 767 to LAX or 4 S80's to LAX? just wondering here.....

ANother thing im saying/seeing here is we have 2 757 to LAS and 1 757 to PHX, this is considered bad? So therefore, if we see it shifted back to S80's, its considered good? Can you see why im confused?

Alex. 

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:19 am
by BHMNONREV
Problem is Atrude, business travellers determine the market, and business travellers want frequencies, not size of the airplane. I think losing the larger aircraft at STL is more of a status/prestige issue than anything else, but I'm sure AA will place more/larger mainline aircraft in service at STL as demand increases. As much as I don't care for the ERJ/CRJ, I would rather have that than nothing at all.

LambertMan, where do you live in regards to Lambert?? I grew up in Bridgeton, and had many an aircraft fly just over my house on approach to rwy 06. So long ago, can still see Delta and TWA Convair 880's, AA BAC-111's, and TWA 747's when they first arrived at STL in 1970 or 71. Not sure if they even use 6/24 anymore, but back in the early 70's it was extremely busy....

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 10:51 am
by LambertMan
Atrude, my point is irrelevant to LAX. I was talking to about DFW-STL where people make connections, and how the connecting traffic may not warrant the 752, and how local traffic (o/d) may need that larger A/C to satisfy demand. Get it?
BHM, I have lived in St. Charles, Clayton, and Edwardsville. St Charles there was alot of groundworkers. In Clayton where I live now, I live in a neighborhood w/ pilots, STL airport people etc. Big thumbs up

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:02 am
by Air1727
Enthusiasm killed the cat.  Big grin Of course a 767 sounds better to LAX from STL, but if you were in management, you wouldn't think so.

06/24 is rarely used anymore BHM. When the hub was running at peak, it was used on occasion as LAHSO ops on 30L and 24. 6 is very rarely used; usually only during heavy northeast winds during low minimums. 06/24 hasn't been a major player since 12L/30R came about. Also because of increased noise abatement of the years, 06/24 is kept at a minimum. I agree, it was quite cool to see the widerides coming in on 6. The last time I saw a heavy jet land on 6 was Evergreen International about two years ago during low mins and freezing rain. With the decrease in traffic, 06/24 is really only a good backup during a runway closure.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:28 am
by BHMNONREV
Thanks for the info Air1727. I went to Pattonville Grade School on Fee Fee Rd and remember the first time a 747 flew over on final. Scared the crap out of everyone on the baseball field that day...lol

With the new runway under construction (provided the money does not dry up) what does the future hold for 6/24?? Will any of it be ripped up for the new construction??

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 12:42 pm
by pilotpip
6/24's most frequent users are Boeing Test flights. They'll use them for LASHO ops when the winds and or weather dictate but they are rarely used for any takeoffs. Mainly just GA aircraft trying to get off the field faster.

6/24 will still be there BHM. BUt everything else from Natural Bridge to 270 is esentially gone. St. Mary's catholic church and grade school still stand, the old diving shop on Natural Bridge still stands, they will soon be raised. The Lindberg Building, now housing TSA and some AA offices still exist. If you were to drive Lindberg Blvd through there all you would see is lots of dirt. They have re-routed it a couple times as construction has progressed and eventually the road will go under the new runway to the west of where it is currently. If you are familiar with that area, Carolton is the basic deviding line, everything east of McKelvey is gone with the exception of the Bridgeton City Hall and a church or two.

Although it was the 80s and 90s, I grew up in Normandy, on the east side of the field. I was close enough to hear L10s start up at night. It's really sad to see the area I grew up in basically gone.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:22 pm
by Air1727
12/30/L/R are used even if winds are favorable for 06/24 (except for tail and crosswind limits). The only time 06/24 was ever needed after the 12L/30R project was for traffic flow management during low minimums. Because of the parallel seperation being below the 4300ft minimum, staggered approaches are only allowed during VMC conditions; which warranted LAHSO on 30L during 24 landings under IMC. During 6 ops, staggered landings between 12R and 6 with departures on 12L. Now that the hub is gone, it is essentially useless since it was marginal added traffic flow capacity during IMC. When the terminal expansion plans become a reality in the future, it is most likely 06/24 will become a taxiway. The AAL/LOF building has a tentative closing date of 2010 with demolition to follow. Takeoffs on 6/24, wow, been a long time since anything commercial did that. I do remember in 1997, there were two days when takeoffs on 6 were used occasionally because of inspection work on 12L/30R and prevailing winds out of the northeast to allow good runway limits.

I grew up in Creve Coeur; runup footprints reached that far south during the good years  Big grin

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:51 pm
by Air1727
It seems there is always a group of us STL looneys on here talking...maybe a yahoo group is in order?

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:14 pm
by LambertMan
Maybe so, I think there are enough of us STL junkies here on the forum that a time around 6-10 o'clock pm maybe a group would be somewhat lively. I know I'd probably do it. Big thumbs up

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 3:41 pm
by pilotpip
I'm all for the YahooGroup. Sign me up!

Air, While rarely used for 121 ops takeoffs, the 135 guys(particularly turboprops) and GA aircraft use 24 a little more often than you'd think. You just can't hear them Big grin

I don't really agree that they'll make 6/24 a taxiway though. It's still a good idea to have a crosswind runway. During inclimate weather that runway sees quite a bit of use because of the limited aproach capabilities of the other two runways. The RJs and turboprops use it quite a bit any time the winds kick up. Aircraft with a lower max demonstrated crosswind would greatly appreciate it. However, I'm happy that 13/31 has been made into a taxiway. It shortens my drive down to Boeing in the fuel truck. I don't have to go down Bravo and around the approach of 24 anymore  Smile

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:04 am
by Air1727
Fully aware of GA using 24 pip, in fact 35 was also used quite often at one time for small GA. But nonetheless it is still very under utilized; and yes, with the new runway, and traffic flow analysis, it is not efficient at all to use 06/24 for any activity in the future. The new parallel with its proper seperation from the mains is for poor weather, and with that and 12L/30R is use, there is no need for 06/24 at all. The terminal expansion phases go into ANG and over which is a clearance issue for 06/24. Not too mention any GA or north ramp traffic that would land on the new parallel during west ops would again need to taxi across both 12/30/L/R which again rises incursion probabilities. 06/24 as a taxiway would allow smoother flow between the new runway and the north ramp, as well as provide a wide, high speed turnoff for 30L during poor braking action results during winter weather. They have proposals for 06/24 to be a runway, a taxiway, and both, so it is still variable on its outcome, but it is in no way useful except during a main runway closure during poor minimums.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 12:28 am
by BHMNONREV
Air1727, besides the Lambert PMO website, are there any other sites out there in regards to Lambert expansion??

In regards to a yahoo chat group for STL geeks, count me in too....

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:18 am
by Air1727
Well I am no Yahoo! guru, so if someone wants to start one feel free. If not, I can give it a whirl.

BHM, there really isn't any direct online source to get that information. The best way is to call public relations, tell them your fancy, and ask for a press packet. They will usually be very warm to that. If we get the yahoo thing going, I can scan in some select parts of the documentation. Mind you it is very thick. I have all of the EIS paperwork as well, which is another library in itself.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:25 am
by atrude777
I can do yahoo too!!

Ok I get it now lambertman.

very interesting, lets keep this going.

Alex.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:05 am
by atcboy73
Hey guys, just thought Id let you know, I think there is a yahoo group for STL airport/airplane people. Its called stlouislambertairport, all one word and has been very quite for a long time.

You know what Im wondering?

Im an air traffic controller and have a bid in to work at the STL tower. I stay tuned to flightarrivals.com all the time and have been even more so since the new AA schedule was put into operation.

It seems now, there really isn't a need for the new runway. Don't get me wrong. Unlike many people I think STL will see lots of traffic in the future, it may take some time but it will come back and at that point the new runway will be needed.

My guess is after the new runway is completed it wont be used as much as we think it might be. Im guessing it might be used mainly for an east flow with arrivals.

Another air traffic controller friend of mine at STL says that he thinks 6/24 will be a taxi way after the new runway is completed.

don't know if that is the official word. Just thought Id chime in.  Smile

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:14 am
by Air1727
Well, when the new runway was planned, it was definately needed, but no one could of predicted what the future held, and ultimately in the short term, it might be under utilized for now except during IMC conditions. But nonetheless, it will be there, and ready for "if/when" things turn around.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:50 am
by BHMNONREV
Agreed. Half the city of Bridgeton has been displaced, homes leveled, site preparation completed. All that remains is to pour the concrete, and ouila!!! Excess runway capacity...how many airports can say that??? Makes an attractive option if someone comes looking to hub..

Now if we could do something about the dump of a terminal....

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:13 am
by N960AS
Although this is a little delayed I'd like to contribute to the LAX-STL stuff...

As someone who flies the route I'd much rather have 4 S80s than 1 763 or whatever. I booked my tickets home to Los Angeles way early in the year and both times on the 8pm-ish flight which was cut. I had to connect in DFW going home last month and now Friday I have to reschedule and exam because the latest flight out I could get was 530. 763s are fun but the more times the better...I'd take a (dare I say) CR7 (I don't if that could make it, but LAX-XNA etc) even, whatever works.

Even with the increase to 4xS80 the times aren't that great. Also since S80s are staying MRTC that's more enjoyable on the route than the 752. I wonder if SFO will go up from 2xM80 but maybe there just isn't demand, just seems odd with 4x to LAX. Yes, I'm a plane fan but sometimes I think, who cares...just get me there.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:23 am
by Boeing Nut
Now if we could do something about the dump of a terminal....

I worked for the STL Operations Dept., I could not agree more. I would take walks in the terminal, and I would overhear many people expressing their disapproval for the terminal building. In a fantasy world, the layout of Lambert should be like Atlanta Hartsfield.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:41 am
by BHMNONREV
In a fantasy world, the layout of Lambert should be like Atlanta Hartsfield.

Unfortunately, Mr. Griggs did not have the political clout to get a midfield terminal operation built at STL, although at one time I saw some tentative plans for one. Two additional parallel runways would have been built on the south side of I-70 thru Edmundson and Woodson Terrace, with a terminal straddling I-70, which would bi-sect the whole mess.

Very ambitious plan, just not feasible at the time....

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:16 pm
by atrude777
Very interesting to hear..I guess its more feasible to take the 4 S80's as opposed to the 1 767. I also sometimes feel the same way, if it gets me there, then so be it no matter the aircraft. I dunno about a CR7 dude but if it gets me there ok then lol


Yeah its a shame the new runway prolly won't be needed and its a damn shame since they took out the 94 th aero squadron wondeful place to eat and watch god i love that place!!!!

ok...so what did we learn from this?

Alex.


RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:29 pm
by pilotpip
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/Metro+East/6F789C2446FB168586256DFE001B268E?OpenDocument&Headline=Hundreds+of+Lambert+Field+buyouts+will+be+delayed,+homeowner&highlight=2%2CLambert

BHM, I dont' know if you've read that, but it's a big mess. People are still living in the areas that have otherwise been bought out because the airport can't afford to buy their property. In addition to that, they are now saying that they can't afford to move the ANG base which would be really close to the threshold of the new runway.

I've heard that they are going to be closing the concourse now occupied by the bizjets between the East and Main Terminal. What a great time to start doing some interior upgrades as well. Upgrade the passenger facilities while the traffic isn't there so they can attract new customers.

ATCBoy, the new runway isn't needed right now, but when the wx gets bad things really bog down here. During snowstorms they will use the north runway and 6/24 for arrivals. Things really get hairy when the snow gets bad and the glideslope doesn't work on 30R. The FAA has been in here a few times trying to make it better. I've learned that Glideslope antennas are particularly suscptable to interference but apparently the one on 30R is really bad. One other question for you, does the FAA still have the ban on visiting facilities like towers and FSS facilities that was placed after 9/11?

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:02 pm
by atcboy73
Pilotpip

Sorry I cant read you whole post. For some reason A.net boards have been acting funny on me and I cant move this one from side to side.

The FAA isn't allowing any visits to ATC facilities at this time. This is pretty strict, no friends or parents even.

I just want to make sure everyone knows where I am coming from. I love the St. Louis airport! From an ATC point of view it fascinates me and I have always
been amazed at how may A/C they could move through such a small space compared to other major airports. I have visited the tower many times (4 or 5 I believe) and admire the controllers manning the tower as well as the tracon.

I guess what I am thinking is that with pre 9/11 levels of traffic the new parallel would of been used all the time. Does anyone think they will use it for departures to the south east, probably not that much, and there probably wont be much of a need to us it for arrivals to the northwest. Yes weather will play a roll in its use and it will be used in lower ceiling conditions.

I have always thought it would be cool to work the tower there and have arrivals come right over I70, past the tower and land. Can you imagine the view from the tower in a flow like that.

Listen all you STL guys, don't get down. Look at all the other major cities around you and realize that they are all controlled by a major carrier. It may take 10 or 15 years (I know thats along time) but its my belief that STL will see major traffic in the future.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 12:30 am
by Air1727
No doubt ATCboy STL *was* a sight to behold in terms of traffic flow management. During the peak traffic years of Lambert between 1995 and 1997, the airfield was literally gridlock during thrid and fourth banks, and that was during VMC. During IMC, you were better off calling home sick cause' it was a nightmare. But, nonetheless, TRACON and tower really made it happen, but boy were there some battles between the local controller and aircraft waiting in line for departure. I have hours of video tape of Lambert over the years, and during 1997 I recorded some stunning evening traffic scenarios with more than 25 lights lined up for both 12L and 12R, not too mention max gross DC-9-51s taking off on 30L that would shatter your windows during hot and humid nights. Ohh how fast did it all end. Life goes on.

Nonetheless guys, 100 years today; congrats to all who have shared or worked in the aviation field.

[Edited 2003-12-17 16:34:54]

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:43 am
by LambertMan
AS, you speculate on the STL-SFO route. From what I've seen there has been about one flight 40% full and another goes out about 60%, with first class mostly full. Unless these are premium biz pax, I don't think the route is performing to AA's financial standards. Big thumbs up

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:14 pm
by N960AS
Yikes, I hope SFO doesn't get cut. That wouldn't be fun for all my bay area friends who go to school with me. That's good first class is full though. Maybe if there was something smaller to put on the route but there really isn't...

I hope 4xS80 works for LAX and maybe they'll adjust the times a little (they're kind of close together). Maybe some day they'll add a 738 into the mix but that would be weird if it's the only 738 into STL (now the SNA/BOS will be changed). Only time will tell...

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:39 am
by aaway
Just a word of "thanks" to every one for an interesting discussion. Though I'm in the LAX area, hey, count me in if you guys do a STL board on Yahoo. I find the discussion of airport issues (airside and landside) just as interesting as all of the speculative talk regarding the airlines.

LambertMan,
Any info on how Great Plains is doing at Mid-America?

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 6:08 am
by LambertMan
Aaway, they are pleased thus far. They didn't fill their planes to 50%, but they said an LF in the 30% (where they were) was good for their first month of ops. Best performing route is BLV-IADBig thumbs up

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 6:09 am
by Air1727
Aaway, being that your in LAX you can fly to STL right now on the 767-200. Nice to see the 762 back in Saint Louis again.

World is doing DC-10s to STL currently under cnet to Louisville for UPS.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 6:47 am
by Air1727

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 8:26 am
by LambertMan
Ok....Air, I'm not exactly a computer guru. Do you just paste that into the address bar and will it take you to the site where you can sign up? Not exactly sure how to get signed up, any help would be appreciated. Big thumbs up

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 8:31 am
by Air1727
Sorry; the message I posed was missing a line. Just send a blank email to that address with no subject or anything. It should send you a confirmation email back, and then you can send and receive email messages from the group. I suggest you make a filter on your mailbox so your email client seperates the Lambert emails from your regular ones.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 9:07 am
by pilotpip
Air,

Cargo is a mess right now. UPS and FX have added extra flights, or changed their schedules. Last night FX had an MD-11, both carriers have aircraft flying in from their hubs with freight(in UPS's case, not much) and turning in about 90 mininutes. It's a zoo up there right now. When did AA start up the 762 to LAX again? And about those max gross DC-9 take offs, throw in the L10s, 741s, 727s and all those other old beasts and my whole house rattled. I grew up three miles to the east, right under the LDA/DME 30L. I blame that for my addiction  Smile

AAWay,

Great Plains seems to be feast or famine. They have some flights go out full, yet others have 5 pax on board. There seems to be no middle ground. As far as official statements, everything I have read states that the company couldn't be more pleased with results and is planning on adding more capacity when they get more aircraft.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 9:14 am
by Air1727
Status quo for this time of year pip; cargo is always a mess. In fact this year is weak; c-net has been better in the past. Back when UPS had their ramp in front of LOF-MX, Arrow Air and World used to squeeze in believe it or not. Absolutely brutal. Did you fuel Murray today?

AAL started 767-200s to LAX this week.

As for takeoffs, the L101s weren't bad at all. The 747-100s and 727-200adv's were some of the worst. But the DC-9-50 had one of the worst sound footprints and performance of any of them.

[Edited 2003-12-19 01:21:55]

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 12:05 pm
by BHMNONREV
AAL started 767-200s to LAX this week.

Is this a temp thing for the holidays, or something more permanent??

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:02 pm
by Air1727
Temp thing. Will only be around for the holidays.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:05 am
by atrude777
DANG-------- You almost had me excited for AA again.....im glad tho to see them back. Even though its for a short time. I'm hoping the flight is so booked that they will see the STL-LAX jutsifies a 762, lol ok im just dreaming here...


Alex.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:42 am
by Air1727
Hey guys, I did create that Lambert Yahoo Group if any of you want to join. Just send a blank email to this address with no subject:

[email protected]

It will reply to you and put you in the email group. Take care.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 7:56 am
by jeffie813
it kind of surprises me that there aren't any non-stop flights from STL-PBI.

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 10:51 am
by B777UA
any New changes fron STL to EWR? I had relatives come back for Thanksgiving on AA out of EWR into STL and they said it was a ER-4 it used to be a MD-80. any change on that?

RE: Just A Few STL Route Updates....

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 10:55 am
by LambertMan
I used to think, (notice used to) that EWR was a decent money maker for AA out of STL. CO has upgraded the route a little introducing one 735 in addition to the schedule they had before they re-introduced mainline on it. If I were to guess of any upgrades to mainline, I'll stick by what I predicted before: ATL, DCA (got it), PHL, EWR, DEN. They all seem like they could support mainline aircraft from STL.
Happy Holidays Big thumbs up