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Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:13 pm

Last Week I flight on Swiss from Zurich to LHR on a A 330.

The flight was rather full and i was wery surprised to see such a large plane in such a shorth flight.

I've flight on Widebodies on intraeuropean flight other times (BA Rome - LHR on 767 300 i suppose and LH FRA MUC on A 310).

Ther is a really nead for large planes on this routes, with the proble related (parking and landing fees, turnarround times etc.) or it's simply a way to use planes temporary out of intercontinental routes.

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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:37 pm

I think that at some times of the day, on certain short intra european routes, wide bodies are needed.
Back 15 years ago, while Air Inter was flying all other France, I used to take the last sunday flight between PGF & ORY and it was all the time an A300 or A310.
In summer, between CDG & FRA, LH fly most of the time an A310 for the first morning flight.
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:51 pm

I flew on an L1011 between Kos (KGS) and Rhodes (RHO) on the 4th October 1997. The flight was 20 minutes long. It was a split load Charter flight with the majority boarding at Kos and then the remainder at Rhodes. I remember the Rhodes pax all sat in the very back cabin, just behind me. I was sat at the L3 door. The aircraft was operated by Air Atlanta and the cabin crew were supplied by Peach Air. The aircraft was registered TF-ABV.
 
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:02 pm

my question doesn't metter charter flight. in this case there could be many reason to use a wide body on such route: repositioning a plane, summer peak, covering other airlines, or so on
 
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:18 pm

SAA use a 342, 346, 744, 743 on joburg to cape town which can varies between 1-30 to 2 hours flight.
 
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:32 pm

DL has 767's from FLL-ATL
They also sometimes use a 777 for the same flight.
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:51 pm

moolies this routes are prosecution of flight from europe or johannesbourg generated internal flight?
Also in italy there are many flight by 747200 and niw 777 200 and 767 300 fon the rome malpensa route, but they are only intermediate stops.

In my first message i've Forgot the flight from Sudney to Darwin on a 747 200 in high density configuration.
 
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 9:53 pm

I've been on the ATL-MCO run with a 777-200 numerous times. They use pretty much every widebody they have on the ATL-Florida routes (JAX, MCO, TPA, PBI, FLL, MIA, Ft. Myers).
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:01 pm

My most recent short flight on a widebody:

JNB/CPT: 744 (ZS-SAX). Duration: 1h45min


To my knowledge, QF make use of the 762/763/332 and 744 between SYD/MEL. Occasionally they also use the 743. Flying time ± 01h20min.

SYD/BNE are serviced with the 762 and 763. However, I have seen a 744 scheduled on a SYD/BNE sector (QF051 - 24.12.2003). Flying time ± 01h25min.

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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:01 pm

Flynavy
I think that the american market is quite different from european one.
 
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:12 pm

Emirates operates an A330 on the Dubai-Muscat route, which is only around 45mins flight time.
 
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:16 pm

AZMD80,

Those intra-European widebody flights are flown indeed due the high demand. LH uses their A310s and A300-600s mostly on intra-European and domestic flights. There are also others: BA B767 LHR-ARN, SK B767 CPH-LHR, KL B767 AMS-LHR, LX A330 ZRH-LHR, AY MD-11 HEL-RVN (seasonal)... just to mention a few.

It is also much easier use bigger aircrafts to crowded and slot restricted airports because it could be impossible to add anymore frequencies so that is only way add more capacity. Those widebodies are also used because of their huge cargo capacity. Imagine how much an airline can earn extra money carrying 20 000 kg cargo in widebody instead of only 3000 kg in narrowbody aircraft...

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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:16 pm

AZMD80

SAA use the 342/346/743 and 744 (as Moolies mentioned) on JNB/CPT, as well as CPT/JNB flights. These flights are operated as domestic flights.

The only 2 exceptions that I'm aware of is the flights operated to Atlanta.

SA211: CPT/ATL via JNB and SID
SA209: JNB/ATL via CPT and SID
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:24 pm


Tunisair used to fly daily the 1h00max.TUN-FCO route with A300s.Alitalia used its A300s and B767s on the same route.

LAA flies TIP-TUN with A300s and A310s.

Air Algerie flew the ALG-TUN route with A310s and B767s.

BA 767s to CDG and FRA.

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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:42 pm

LA uses A340-300 from FRA to MAD. Mostly, the cabin isn't that full, so it's a really comfortable flight including Audio/Video-on-demand.
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:13 am

LanChile uses A340s at rush hours beside the A320 for their 7 daily SCL-EZE flights (1hr 55min).

Also Air France (777) and Lufthansa (A346) operate this route with widebodies.
 
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:25 am

When I lived in Indianapolis, AA had a DC-10 on one of its ORD-IND flights, which is only 177 miles. As I recall it was the early morning from ORD and was a continuation of a SFO-ORD flight. TWA routinely had L-1011s on its IND-STL flights and later on 767's, as did AA on the IND-ORD run.

For a while in the 70's and 80's, TWA operated a daily DAY-IND-LAX L-1011 flight, with DAY- IND being about 100 miles or so.

Those are about the shortest scheduled ones I can recall at this time.

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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:43 am

DL used to have some short L10 hops:BOS-DL / KBDL), USA - Connecticut">BDL-ATL, ATL-CVG-DAY,MIA-FLL and even at one time ATL-MEM in the 70's. That's all that come to mind without my morning coffee! Smile
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:46 am

BA Flies B767s on LHR-ARN a few times a week.
 
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:31 am

AF was used to fly a B744, then a B777 between EZE and MVD (25mn of flight).

Air Inter, the French domestic Airline operated a fleet of 22 airbus A300 ( 314 seats all Y class ) and 4 A330-300 (412 seats) on its network until 1996 ( Flights from Paris/ORY to MRS, TLS, NCE, BOD, AJA, BIA, TLN, SXB MLH etc... average flight time 55mn ).

JAL was used to operate on its domestic busiest route HND-OSAKA the B747-SR (all Y config. more than 500 seats).
 
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:35 am

NWA- Northwest Airlines.

NWA used to fly the Boeing 747-100,200,and 400 on flights from DTW to MSP and ORD to MSP. Every now and then just to position an aircraft you may see a 747 on the DTW to MSP or MSP to DTW route. NWA also used to operate daily MSP to SEA and SEA to MSP nonstops with the 747.

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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:40 am

AA A300-600 MCO-MIA (28 minute flight)
DL 777-200 ATL-MCO (about 55 minutes)

If DL didn't have widebodies here we'd see 757's every 30 minutes from ATL  Big grin
 
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:48 am

I forgot-I used to non-rev on TW:BOS-JFK on a 747. I think it may have been a repositioning flight incoming from LHR, outbound CDG.ALWAYS got on. Smile
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:48 am

I routinely fly DL 1234 from SLC-SEA on a 767-300; though it will be cut come January.  Crying
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:55 am

Air Canada uses 767s between Montreal & Toronto and Ottawa and Toronto. They also have over the years used A330s, A340s and 747s on one or two peak hour flights between Toronto and Montreal. It's usually a ferry flight that continues on to Paris, Frankfurt or London out of Montreal. In other cases they may "break in" a new wide body type on YUL-YYZ for several weeks before putting it into regular service overseas from Toronto. I flew their A340 during one of those periods just after it was newly arrived from Airbus.

Delta also used to fly regular L-1011s and 767s between Boston & Montreal back in the 80s and easrly 90s... a 45-60 minute flight roughly. They went on to Atlanta or Florida. Eastern did the same thing (L-1011s & A300s) on YUL-LGA then on to ATL and MIA. Today however it is much less common with more direct routes available. Delta even dropped YUL-BOS unceremoniously this year after years of service (going back to many years of Northeast Airlines yellowbird service)... it's CRJ heaven today.
 
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:55 am

I don't know if they still do this but Usairways used to fly A330's from PIT to PHL, which is like a one hour flight. Also, United uses 747's and 777's from IAD to ORD which is just under 2 hours.

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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:02 am

as was already covered DL has widebodies on ATL-JAX, FLL, RSW, TPA, MCO, PBI, and MIA. They used to fly L1011s ATL-SRQ. They also serve LGA, CVG, MSY, and DFW. I'm also sure they used to fly widebodies to some of its southern destinations as well.
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:02 am


Avianca definitely takes the cake.

They have almost 15 daily scheduled flights from Bogota (BOG) and Medellin (MDE) with a mix of MD-83, 757 and 767.

Now, the thing is, the leg is only 25 minutes long.

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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:05 am

BA also use the 767-300ER on LHR-CDG (40 mins) LHR-MAN (40 mins) LHR-EDI (50mins) occasionally.
We also took it into Aberdeen one foggy night, Visibilty minimum,short runway, rising/falling terrain - it was a VERY positive landing (eek)!
 
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:07 am

I can remember taking DL using an L-1011 on the TPA-FLL run. Yes, this was a continuation from ATL but they still had it.
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:07 am

Last Feb, i flown Miami-Orlando (MIA-MCO) route on a AA A300, 30 minutes in very big aircraft, what an experience....
 
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:23 am

Eastern operated L10/A300 Buffalo -Toronto (extension from ATL) ....an incredibly short hop
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:26 am

As it has been mentioned, AA flies MIA-MCO daily with an A300. In favourable conditions, this flight can be in the air for as little as 20 minutes. It is the shortest widebody domestic flight in the US, and the only intra-state widebody service in the US.
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:27 am

AZMD80:

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I think that the american market is quite different from european one.

So am I to assume that all us Americans should just keep our comments to ourselves? Is that what you are saying AZMD80?
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RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:28 am

I flew on a few short flights in widebodies, for example:

  • DUS-FRA on LH in an A 300-600

  • DUS-FRA on LH in an A 310-300

  • FRA-LHR on SW in a B 747-400 Combi

  • CPT-JNB on SA in an A 340-600


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    RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:35 am

    When I was growing up in Seattle in the 60s through early 80s, I remember UA having a daily DC10 from SEA-YVR, a 130-mile hop, as a continuation of the ORD-SEA flight. Also, NW would operated DC10s on the SEA-GEG route, only about 200 mi.

    I seem to recall UA also had a DC10 that did the milk run from DEN-COS, again, I would think, a continuation of ORD-DEN, LAX-DEN, etc.
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    RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:39 am

    I always fly Thai's B744, B743, MD11, B772, B773 and A333 on BKK-HKT, BKK-CNX routes. The flights time are around 1-1:20 Hrs. The distace BKK-CNX = around 420 miles and BKK-HKT around 460 Miles.
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    RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:39 am

    DL uses a 767 from ATL-MSY a couple of times a day...hope no one posted that one yet.
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    Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:47 am

    How 'bout AA DFW - AUS in a DC-10? I flew this in 1987 and I was seated in 38J or something like that (the extreme rear aisle seat on the starboard side). The plane was full and it took longer to board at DFW and deplane at AUS than it took to actually fly (about 30 mins.).
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    RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:49 am

    Back in 1991, I was on a United flight from IAD-PHL. The flight was on a DC-10-10. The flight was scheduled to be a half hour flight but took only about 17 minutes. Amazingly, the FAs managed to serve everyone a beverage.
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    RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:06 am

    Delta L1011's were always at PBI until they retired them....nothing was greater than standing at the end of the runway and hearing the roar/whine of those engines on takeoff.
     
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    RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:15 am

    Recently i used my Airnav flight tracking software, and i tracked DEN-ORD United flight, used with a 777-200 and a 747-400. To me that seems like a very short flight for a widebody. Also, i tracked IAD-ORD w/ a 747-400.
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    RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:22 am

    Skyhigh, I posted ATL-MSY on DL!
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    RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:28 am

    the TWA IND-LAX with the wide body had a stop[ in STL, people were not required to change plane sin STL but the plane still stopped in STL.


    TWA also flew nearly every wide body 747, L10, 767 and such for STL-MCI and that in itself is liek what a 40 min flight? before AA flew MIA-MCO wiht the AB6 was the TWA 747/L10 and 767 the shortest intra-state wide boyd flight? as MCI and STL were both in Missouri?

    AA used to fly the 757 but now we don't even GET N/S to MCI

    Thats all I can think of

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    RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:29 am

    Caribb: I totally forgot about the BOS-YUL legs on DL. I flown both 767's and L10's on that leg. 55 minutes in the air. And I used to fly them every year when I go to Montreal to visit family! I now do the nonstops to YUL or just fly to BOS and rent a car. Smile
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    RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:29 am

    SAS flew ARN-CPH, ARN-OSL and ARN-HEL for a while using 330's and 340's, each route being only bout 45 mins... only training flights for the crew, but it was a golden opportunity to fly some big iron rather cheap!  Big grin

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    RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 8:43 am

    NZ use to fly a B762 between CHC and AKL. Since the A320s arrived the 762 have been redeployed to International routes and the A320 does one or two flights per day. NZ also operate a B744 between CHC and AKL but only a few days per week and these flights depart from the International Terminal
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    RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:11 am

    AA uses the A300 on the SDQ-SJU(fl 1218), and SJU-SDQ (fl. 699).
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    RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:13 am

    I forgot to mention the flying time is just around 35 mins.
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    RE: Short Flight On Widebodies

    Sun Dec 21, 2003 10:18 am

    Im not sure if im totally accurate but i know delta serves atl-fll with the 767s and 777's they also do miami and orlando and the such with those planes. I ewnt a few years ago on an L1011 from atl to TPA only about 50 mins or so. Not sure what their resoning for it was though
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