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Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:51 am

Explain this pic. Why would the Mirage be escorting a LAX-CDG flight? I thought the threat was the other way around.


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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:58 am

Forgive me if im wrong but......that doesnt even look like an American fighter? I thought they used primarily F-16s for that stuff. Can someone verify or corret me?


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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:05 pm

I think that is Flybulldog's point. This is a flight that is arriving in Paris.

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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:15 pm

JetsGo:

That looks like a French Mirage fighter. That is a flight that is arriving in Paris, France.

That's the point of the original post.
 
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:17 pm

JetsGo, it isnt. The U.S. armed forces employ a variety of fighters, no true "main" one. I imagine the aircraft used to intercept a flight for whatever reason would depend on which type is nearest or can get to the flight the quickest, what branch the jet is from, and if it needs certain capabilities to perform an intercept that limit the type.
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:24 pm

Before this thread gets too much off on a tangent, two points...

1/ To the original poster, it appears that for whatever reason (unknown to any of us) they saw fit to have the AF flight escorted into CDG...

2/ To the gent above, the USAF/USN or other US service branches don't have any Mirages in their inventory, to the best of my knowledge. The military may well have some non-US made stuff that's used for Red Flag/Top Gun aggressor purposes, but nothing that would be in a front-line unit used in patrols/interceptions.

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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:28 pm

Ohh, I understand now. My apologies for earlier, I misread the topic.  Sad


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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:28 pm

Sorry for the confusion: I meant to ask why is the French Mirage fighter escorting a LAX to CDG flight. I've heard of the US escorting flights from CDG to America, but not of the French escorting flights from the US to France.
 
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:29 pm

Futureualpilot:

If you enlarge the picture, the fighter is identified as a French Mirage.

I have no problem with the French using fighter escort if they believe that a flight might be a high security risk. I just don't.
 
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:45 pm

According to the description of the picture, it was taken just before the craziness started at CDG. Maybe there was more "chatter" going on than was publicized. The French Obviously didn't want to take a chance. That's a GOOD thing! It seems these days, escorts are becoming more routine. And there were concerns about the LAX-CDG run. Overall, a GOOD call!  Smile
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:58 pm

Iflyatldl:

That's what I thought when I saw that picture: that there was more chatter going on and more that was known than anyone knew. There's a ton about that business with the flights operating between CDG and LAX that we just don't know and won't know for sometime to come.

I think it was a good call, too. If the French, or anyone else, thinks there might be that kind of problem with a flight, I would expect them to take all measures to protect themselves. It's a common sense thing here.
 
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:06 pm

PiedmontGirl: You're right- It is a common sense thing, and the French have had their own scares, even before 9-11. I think sometimes with all the World politics these days, the French aren't given enough credit. I may not always agree with French policy, but I have always felt safe in Paris.  Smile Could you pass the wine ?  Big thumbs up
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:19 pm

Iflyatldl:

......and the French have had their own scares, even before 9-11. I think sometimes with all the World politics these days, the French aren't given enough credit. I may not always agree with French policy, but I have always felt safe in Paris.

The French have had their own scares. Remember the fellow who hijacked the French flight and tried to have it refueled to fly it into the Eiffel Tower? The flight was stormed by French Commandos bringing and end to that little incident.

I agree: I don't always agree with French policy either, but, like you, I've always felt safe in Paris.

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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:26 pm

PiedmontGirl : Merci!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:33 pm

PiedmontGirl , I know the type, and I too dont have a problem with that....(I dont mean this in a harsh way, Im sorry if it sounds bad  Smile

OPNLguy, I believe the U.S. has only U.S. made fighters, even for the Red Flag/Top Gun purposes....F-5s I believe...not sure completley.

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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:38 pm

2/ To the gent above, the USAF/USN or other US service branches don't have any Mirages in their inventory, to the best of my knowledge. The military may well have some non-US made stuff that's used for Red Flag/Top Gun aggressor purposes, but nothing that would be in a front-line unit used in patrols/interceptions.

For the education of all, the US military does not operate Mirages, nor do they use foreign aircraft for aggressor squadrons. Aggressor aircraft typically have been A-4 Skyhawks or F-5E Tiger IIs. For a rather brief period, the USN and USMC operated leased Israeli Kfirs, redesignated as F-21s in the aggressor role but don't any longer. As the A-4s and F-5Es are retired from service, the aircraft are being replaced with F-16s and F/A-18s.

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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:40 pm

It's been a while since the U.S. armed forces had foreign-built fighters. I know for a fact that the U.S. Navy had IAI Kfir's for their Top Gun fleet. But it was fairly short-lived. The Top Gun agressor fleet consists of F-5's, A-4's, F-16N's and F/A-18's. I think the Air Force Red Flag aggressor squadrons consists mainly of F-5's and F-16's.
 
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:47 pm

This is the reason for the French government's involvement with the Air France flight to Paris...

Earlier that day, French officials received word from U.S. officials stating that an individual was apparently labeled as "suspect material" who later boarded this flight in question. The indentification process took longer than expected and the flight left Los Angeles as scheduled before anyone could board to investigate further.

However, the reason for the French Mirage, which is exactly what it is, is because of the jurisdiction issues between the French and the U.S. This isn't anything big, but the French did have closer jurisdiction rights because of the aircraft's proximity to the French coast. That and the fact that it is a French registration on the aircraft. The U.S. could intervene on the request of the French government, but not until then.

If anyone has anymore questions, please ask! I will tell all that I know, or can, but if there are anymore details that I haven't mentioned, I would love to know myself.

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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:51 pm

The USN has NO F-16s. The last F-16N was delivered to the boneyard in '95 and since then they've primarily been using Tomcats and Hornets since then in the aggressor role.
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:58 pm

Correct, the U.S. Navy has no F-16 aircraft whatsoever. We did have a few older F-15's used for training purposes in Nevada, but I'm not sure if they are still in operation. The Air Force picked up the bid for the new F-22's, mainly because the Navy and Marine Corps received the new F/A-18E's, but we will get a portion of the F-35, but not for a while.
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:06 pm


How does "suspect material" get on a flight anyway?
If there is enough concern about a passenger please keep them off the aircraft until they have been cleared completey.
Too many of these and we're asking for trouble.

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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:10 pm

Very true. Unfortunately, the systems that are in place to do any type of passenger scanning or material detection are fairly primative and were put up in such a hurry, to meet federal guidelines, that they are often subject to mechnical breakdowns. Although, this doesn't include the fact that most averages security agents at terminals today simply do NOT know how to operate the machinery.

I think this will pass with time, especially as these systems are more frequently in place and the handlers become used to the operation of them. Perhaps this should have been thought of before issuing mandates to have them installed. I agree with your concerns.

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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:14 pm

To correct three inaccuracies in this thread:

1) The US Navy does have F-16 Falcons, but not as frontline combat aircraft. VX-9 has a handful that they use for weapons testing (primarily chase aircraft), although they do at times fly as aggressors out of NAS Fallon.

2) The US Air Force and or Navy have a handful of Mig-29's in their current inventory. They are based in the Southwest, although the specific base escapes me at this time.

3) The US Navy has F-15's...they are called F-14's. At no time has the US Navy owned any F-15's. They may have swap trained with the Air Force, but a quick search of the Navy's website, confirms that at no time did they actually own, maintain or operate any F-15's.

All that being said, we all agree that the US armed forces does not fly any foreign made aircraft in line squadrons, and at no point, unless things were extremely bad, would the US military use any foreign made jets to intercept inbound threats of any sort.
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:23 pm

>>>2) The US Air Force and or Navy have a handful of Mig-29's in their current inventory. They are based in the Southwest, although the specific base escapes me at this time.

I can't remember which branch either, but if USAF, they're probably at Nellis, and if USN, they're probably at NAS Fallon.
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:23 pm

To correct three inaccuracies in AA7573E's thread

1) VX-9 has no F-16s. Don't believe me? go to http://www.nawcwpns.navy.mil/~VX9/ and check for yourself

2) The Fulcrums purchased by the US government from Moldova are still at the NAIC being reverse-engineered

3) The F-15 is a long way away from being an F-14. If you think they're the same aircraft you definitely need to learn more about military aviation.
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:29 pm


Unseallt82

If everything you say is right I can't say I have a "warm and fuzzy" feeling towards Air Travel right now.

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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:32 pm

The name of the base isn't publically released, but most people know it as Area-51 or Groom Lake in Nevada.

It's been a while since the U.S. armed forces had foreign-built fighters

Hmmm, Then where did the US Navy get those Bae Hawks from?

And where did the Marines get those Harriers from also?
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:13 pm

"Hmmm, Then where did the US Navy get those Bae Hawks from?

And where did the Marines get those Harriers from also?"



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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:46 pm

The name of the airbase at Nellis range area 51 (Groom Lake) - as the full name of the area is) is well published.
It is "Tonopah Test Range" and is located near the town of Tonopah,NV.

The aircraft you see in that picture is a Mirage 2000C from the French airforce.
It is quite possible that the French decided to show off to the Americans in response to the USAF sending their fighters after a US bound flight, just as the Brazilians are fingerprinting all US citizens with no real reason (they just want to play tough).

[Edited 2004-01-08 07:46:33]
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:57 pm

Hmmm, Then where did the US Navy get those Bae Hawks from?

Notice he said it's been awhile since we've operated foreign-built fighters. The derivative of the Hawks, the T-45 Goshawk, used by the USN are trainers, not fighters.
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:09 pm

Jwenting,

Tonopah,NV is in the north of the state, near Reno, Area 51 is in the south, just outside Las Vegas.

Both share airspace with Nellis AFB but are seperate installations.



The US military is not so completely equiped with US gear as people like to think it is.

Besides the Aformentioned Harriers and Hawks, Other forgein aircraft include.

The C-23 Sherpa (Shorts Brothers, Northern Ireland)
The Slingsby Firefly (Slingsby UK)
The C27A (Italy) The Lockheed licenesed built C-27J was just tested by the Alaska National Guard as a Sherpa replacement.
The OV-18 Twin Otter (Canada)
The Army also has a number of Dash-7's running around as Elint birds(Canada)
The HH-65 Dolphin (France)
The Coast Guard also has a number of Falcon 20's as drug and oil spill birds (France)
The Casa 235 is in the running as a new USCG aircraft (spain)
The A109 from Agusta is in service with the USCG as the Mako (Italy)
The Coast Guard has also selected that new Agusta helo for service (AB139?)
Then we have all those Air Force Pilots that are now getting their wings on the PC-9 from Pilatus of Switzerland
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:35 pm

Well, I know for a fact that the U.S. Navy, that's the United States Navy, does NOT operate any type of F-16 aircraft. As one mentioned afterwards, they may have used some 15's and 16's for joint Air Force training sessions, but have never operated their own. I know this because I fly for them.

But hey, I may be mistaken! Although, that's probably not likely with this.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:50 pm

I'm not one for critical comments, especially on such a website that is made purely for the congregation of fellow aviators.

However, I will offer a piece of advice to some concerning comments made about the United States military forces and the aircraft they fly. The U.S. arsenal has long been stocked with foreign-made aircraft...this is nothing new. In fact, while nearly all aircraft used are manufactured here, there is always a major component of the plane itself that is made and/or designed in another nation. As far as the U.S. Navy goes, which is my only true area of expertise, all BAe aircraft are training models, not actual operation aircraft. This has always been so.

So, my advice would be to probably read a little more about military aircraft in the U.S. arsenal and not to take just anyone's word for it. While I'm sure we can all link whatever myth we would like to indulge ourselves in with the mystery of "Area 51," better known to servicemen as the Groom Lake installation, it might be better to stick with the facts of what we know to be reality right now. I'm sure this installation could produce many examples that would change our ideas of this 'reality,' but until they hold an air show or open house, we probably shouldn't allow speculation to turn into fact.

Finally, as the subject of this forum states, the aircraft in question alongside the Air France 747 is most certainly a French government Mirage. As another member pointed out earlier, it may be common for the U.S. forces to operate foreign aircraft for training purposes but under NO circumstances will one be used in an issue of international law. The international law would be the fact that passengers aboard the flight were of different national origins, despite the fact that the aircraft is registered in France with French territorial jurisdiction during this section of the flight. U.S. forces would not intervene in the normal aircraft that we currently have, at least at this stage of the 747's flight, and we would most certainly never use any type of foreign aircraft that wasn't labeled clearly with U.S. military ensignia.

Well, I have become outspoken tonight so I will refrain from anymore. If anyone ever has a question about the U.S. Navy's operational aircraft, I would be happy to entertain them for as long as it takes. Outside of that, I only know what I know, which is not near as much as what I know about Naval Aviation. It helps to be immersed in it!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Good evening.

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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:19 am

Garnetpalmetto

Don't lecture me on military aviation. My brother has been an F-14 pilot for the past 11 years, and I assure you I know enough about the plane to keep your brain busy for hours. The point of the post was that the Navy does not need F-15's as they have a comparable, and in many respects superior aircraft in the F-14. You might try something that is called reading between the lines, and you would of gotten that point. Sorry if I did not spell it out clearly for you.

As for VX-9, last time I was at Fallon, I saw VX-9 F-16s on the ramp. That was over 12 months ago, so I assume that could of changed, but I would encourage you belief what you want to believe.

As for the Mig-29's - some of them are being reversed engineered, and some of them are being flown. Regardless of where they are, we own them, which is the point I was making.

Lastly, all of you that have been posting a list of aircraft produced in foreign countries, and flown by the US military - please note that my original post said that the US military does not use any foreign made aircraft as interceptors. That fact is indisputable.
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:34 am

Well,
My sister's husband's, uncle's brother-in-law used to fly cargo planes full of rubber dog shit after buzzing the tower....

Well done Sean.

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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:37 am

Case it hasn't been resolved...

The French government frequently escorts airlines to Paris when they reach French airspace.
 
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:18 am

> alright, so they're built under license

I would hardly consider the vast number of upgrades and redesign work McDonnell Douglas did on the AV-8 A to produce the AV-8 B “manufacturing under license”.

Boeing claims they are “based” on the BAE aircraft.
 
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:32 am



Deduction, dear Watson, deduction.

This is a security measure.
That Mirage is checking the number of passengers queuing for the lavatories.
 
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:37 am

L188

Tonopah is not in the north end of the state. It is down in the wedge-shaped southern part. It is almost equidistant when driving between Reno and Las Vegas. And something like 30-40% of the acreage of the state lies north of Reno.

Area 51, an archaic map reference incorrectly, but popularly applied to the Groom Lake complex is in the southeast part of the state.

The "Tonopah Test Range" extends from very near Tonopah south and east almost to the state line and to the Indian Springs area just north of Las Vegas. It includes a number of hard-surfaced runways with related facilities bearing place-names that come and go. The exact limits might get a little fuzzy, but, see the restricted airspace on the enroute charts for an approximation.


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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:44 am

DUring the Xmas time, France has raised the level of its "Vigipirate" plan. As a result, more troops and police everywhere, and 18 mirage in the air to escort "sensitive flights. (plus AWACS and tankers as well)
This has been revealed after the LAX flights cancellations. There is no reason to make a lot of noise about security measures. Just do what has to be done. If there is too much noise by the media, the result is the opposite of what you want: You scare the people so much that they travel less. And the terrorist make a point, and your economy suffers.
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:46 am

Hey just imagine the view of the 747-400 inflight from the cockpit of that Mirage. Even though they were flying through thick clouds wouldn't it have been amazing to see a 744 up close whilst flying!
 
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:13 am

Teva:

DUring the Xmas time, France has raised the level of its "Vigipirate" plan. As a result, more troops and police everywhere, and 18 mirage in the air to escort "sensitive flights.

I am not at all surprised to hear this. I had suspected that other countries besides the U.S. were engaging in these security measures also.

Given the world situation, it is simply a prudent, common sense thing for them to do.

Unfortunately here in the U.S., the 24/7 news channels have to fill up their time with something. Anything that appears to be dramatic is sure to lead for several days.
 
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:24 am

Piedmontgirl, what I was just meaning that if a government doesn't want publicity on security measures, it is possible. Even in the US. When president Bush has been to Iraq, the secret has been kept.
I also remember that, just after Sep 11,in a superb speech, he asked the American people to act as usual, and keep travelling, just to show the terrorist that thehy lost, and the American people were not affraid.
But today, the US media just do the opposite. And do not tell me that if the media make so much noise about "security" , it is not with the OK of the US administration.
The greatest victory of the USA on terrorism will be the day the country will stay vigilant, but the media will stop panicking people. The day people live normally, Ben Laden has lost
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:37 am

France just got itself in turmoil due to the passing of a law which bans overt public display of religious symbols in public schools due to their strict separation of relgion and state tradition. This law doesn´t only ban the wearing of head scarves but as well jewish kippas and christian crosses. Many french muslim community leaders brand it as attacking Islam.

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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:44 am

Teva:

But today, the US media just do the opposite. And do not tell me that if the media make so much noise about "security" , it is not with the OK of the US administration.

This is not going to be turned into a political thread by me. I was commenting that I hardly thought that the U.S. was not the only country engaging in such security measures. I see I was not wrong.

Edited to add: The media makes it appear that Americans do not live normally. Nothing could be further from the truth. The media likes to portray Americans as worthless and cowardly, so they do. They like to portray terrorists as invincible geniuses, so they do that.

Americans go about their lives taking the ordinary precautions for personal safety that they have always done and that's that.

Everyone expected the terror alert to go up around the holidays. It stopped no one from traveling. It stopped no one from shopping. It stopped no one from doing anything.

Please understand that the portrayal of the U.S. that you see on the news often just is not accurate.



[Edited 2004-01-08 18:59:25]
 
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 3:08 am

The US Navy did operate F16s in the 80s and 90s as threat aircraft for training. It was a lightened version dubbed F-16N. The problem is that the airframes wore out quickly because they're constantly flying high-G maneuvers.

The planes have since been retired and the Navy now uses Navy types for training.
 
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 4:02 am

Despite all the bitch slapping going on about US military usage of certain aircrafts, if I was on the upper deck of that flight and glanced out my window and saw that jet, I think I would be seriously crapping my shorts.
I'm not so sure If I would even consider it reassuring, but that's just me 2 cents!
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:11 am

JeffM, although it has only a few real Navy-type operations in it, it is by far one of the best movies! Haha, out of Hong-Kong...damn right!

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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:28 am

geachte Jwenting, quote: "It is quite possible that the French decided to show off to the Americans in response to the USAF sending their fighters after a US bound flight, just as the Brazilians are fingerprinting all US citizens with no real reason (they just want to play tough)."

since AF bought KL you can't help yourself can you Big grin

as mentionned before France reacted to a warning coming from the U.S.
TV channel France2 even mentionned that pax in this flight were told that the mirage was making a "training escort"....
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RE: Explain This Pic - Why Fighter Escort

Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:25 am

Getting back to the topic of this picture....

something about it doesnt sit right with me.

He says it was taken from the upper deck. But look at that engine, it is like he is sitting right near it. The 747 upper deck is further UP and forward of the wing. Also, where is the 2nd engine?/???? In every 747 window view i have seen you can see both engines.

Also something about the engine nacelle shape.....

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