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What do you think the Airbus 380 routes will be?

Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:07 pm

I did a search and no luck. What do you think the Airbus 380 routes will be. First off JFK-LHR and LAX-HKG. Also I see LHR-JNB, LHR-DUX, LHR-LAX, JFK-NRT, SYD-HKG and LHR-SIN. I see a lot of domestic flights in the states such as LAX-JFK, JFK-ORD, LAX-ORD and Many European-North America flights. Sorry for all the problems my username has caused in the past.
 
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What do you think the Airbus 380 routes will be?

Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:11 pm

There will be no domestic A380 flights for a long while.

Also, JFK-NRT will not be served with the 380 since none of the airlines on that route have ordered it.
LAX can't handle A380s now. I expect routes mostly to LHR and NRT.
 
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What do you think the Airbus 380 routes will be?

Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:16 pm

I guess it make sense for the 380 not to do domestics
 
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What do you think the Airbus 380 routes will be?

Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:58 pm

When Air New Zealand (NZ) gets into the stage where they're ready to order, I can see them utilising it daily on:

AKL-NRT
AKL-LAX-LHR

They'll need a fleet of five to do this and will cover some shorter-hall routes in the small amounts of down time: AKL-SYD or AKL-BRI like with the 744's currently. This will be in 5-10 years using the later A380's with all their teething problems filled, pulled, capped and extracted.

IMHO
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What do you think the Airbus 380 routes will be?

Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:42 pm

I don't think you'll see JFK-LHR. Virgin already operates the 346 to JFK, and they have a fair number of flights per day from the NYC area already, if you count EWR in there. They can put more 346s there and have all the capacity they could ever want. Of course, it is Branson, and he likes to do things with flair, and a 380 to JFK would certainly be prestigious.
I am almost positive AF won't do JFK-CDG. Same thing as Virgin, but with the 773ER. And AF is not known for doing things with flair and publicity.
LH might use it on JFK-FRA, but they already have lots of flights on that route (seven per day, I think).
But if I'm wrong (which I could very well be, nobody really knows what going to happen), and VS, AF and LH all send the 380 over, Terminal 1 is going to get REALLY crowded.
 
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What do you think the Airbus 380 routes will be?

Fri Jan 09, 2004 3:01 pm

I thought of another route for Singapore and Quantas. SYD-SIN
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:35 pm

Qantas will most likely send their A380 to AKL first. That is the traditional proving route for QF.

Real service will start with QF1 SYD-(BKK)-LHR, (its possible BKK could be replaced by SIN or maybe even HKG) followed by SYD-LAX.

One daily to LHR & 3 daily to LAX plus one spare = 10 the number on order. Of course LAX will probably only get one daily to start, so NRT & HKG are also candiates.

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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:36 pm

Just look at all the airlines that have ordered this aircraft.
EK- DXB-LHR, SYD-DXB, DXB-SIN
QF- SYD-LON,MEL-LHR,SYD-HKG
MH- KUL-LHR
SQ-LON-SIN,SIN-SYD, Other European Routes.

This is just to name a few routes. Other Airlines Virgin Atlantic, Lufthansa, Korean Air, Qatar Air etc. I guess you consider any route currently flown by an A340 or 747, maybe even a 777.

Look at quite a few routes in/out of LAX when airport has completed refurbs to accommodate the aircraft.
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:28 pm

It wouldn't surprise me to see the A380 a couple times a week between ICN/SEL and CJU, especially during the peakseason for that market. SEL-CJU is currently flown about 40 times a day, split between KE and OZ, operated by aircraft types ranging from the 737 to the A330 and the 747. So that's a domestic one.
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:05 am

Wouldn't be surprised to see EK 380s on the DXB-JFK route at some point. Singapore wants to put them in service to LAX once LAX can handle them.

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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:10 am

Memphis-Tokyo or Osaka on FedEx.
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:22 am

Isn't AF looking at CDG-YUL ? I would have sworn I read that somewhere.  Smile
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:27 am

"I don't think you'll see JFK-LHR. Virgin already operates the 346 to JFK, and they have a fair number of flights per day from the NYC area already, if you count EWR in there. They can put more 346s there and have all the capacity they could ever want. "

I don't think they can because of the slot restrictions at LHR - this is part of the point of the A380. I would have expected the same to apply to United - ie big twins across the Atlantic providing sufficient capacity, but their 744s have started to reappear twice a day.

I don't know if the same slot restrictions apply at FRA / CDG and most important of all at JFK, but if they do a small number of A380s across the Atlantic wouldn't surprise me. I can certainly see VS using the odd one or two.

Mike
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:30 am

Anyone know if theres any coming to YVR? Because that seems to be the airport with lotsa internationals that i pass through the most... If so when?


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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:38 am

I can guess pretty much the following A380-800 flights to SFO:

SQ's SIN-HKG-SFO-HKG-SIN route
LH's FRA-SFO-FRA route
VS' LHR-SFO-LHR route
AF's CDG-SFO-CDG route (summers only)

SQ will likely fly the A388 on the SQ 001/002 route since that is their most lucrative route outside of the flights between SIN and LHR.
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:40 am

I wouldn't be surprised to see the A380 on various trans-atlantic routes such NYC-LHR/FRA, maybe even seasonal from BOS, MIA and ORD. Not only does it increase capacity (or not if the airline choses to reduce frequency to cut costs), but it frees up smaller AC like A340/777's for other routes where the A380 is just too much.
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:47 am

AF
CDG to Mexico City
CDG to Los Angeles
CDG to Johannesburg
CDG to Montreal
CDG to Miami
CDG to New York JFK
CDG to Tokyo NRT

LH
FRA to Mexico City
FRA to New York JFK
FRA to Los Angeles
FRA to Washington
FRA to Chicago
FRA to Johannesburg
FRA to Delhi
FRA to Beijing
FRA to Tokyo NRT
FRA to Singapore to Jakarta
FRA to Shanghai
FRA to Hong Kong
FRA to San Fransisco

EK
DXB to Singapore to Melbourne
DXB to Bangkok to Hong Kong
DXB to Doha
DXB to Jeddah
DXB to London LHR
DXB to London LGW
DXB to Paris CDG
DXB to Karachi
DXB to Mumbai
DXB to Cairo

KE
SEL to Frankfurt
SEL to London LHR
SEL to Paris CDG
SEL to Los Angeles
SEL to San Fransisco
SEL to New York JFK
SEL to Tokyo
SEL to Osaka
SEL to Beijing
SEL to Bangkok
SEL to Hong Kong

Regards

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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:03 am

Isn't LH looking at FRA YYZ?
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:07 am

The first routes will be flown on
- present 747 -400 routes
- and airports jammed without further slot availability

Your LH route guess is pretty much right
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will B

Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:16 am

I'd add the possible following AF routes :
CDG / ORY to FDF
CDG / ORY to PTP
CDG / ORY to Saint Denis de la Réunion

I'm sure AF would have enough passengers (these destinations are very popular in France) but the problem would be the airports of arrival : I'm not sure they'll can handle an A380.
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:25 am

SQ

SIN-LHR
SIN-SFO
SIN-YVR (keeping my fingers crossed!!!)
SIN-NRT
SIN-SYD


 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:54 am

It would be awesome if AF and LH send A380's to MEX. Simply fantastic!!! (What about BA?). I am just a bit unsure if MEX can handle the A380's as it is right now. Of course, an expansion/renovation that will increase capacity by 30% will be completed some time in 2005 theoretically, and hopefully the renovations will allow MEX to handle A380's.

I understand that there is a lot of traffic between CDG, MAD, LHR, FRA (and maybe AMS) and MEX. And with the new U.S. VISIT program, Mexican and European travellers will try to avoid flying via JFK, ATL, EWR, IAH, DFW and MIA (and AC has cancelled its Toronto-Madrid flight that many Mexicans used to take since fares were low). I guess this means that there is a strong chance that we will see A380's in MEX in the future. Look forward to that!!!
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:00 am

Isn't AF looking at CDG-YUL ? I would have sworn I read that somewhere.

AF did say YUL will be served by the 380. Can't wait to see that plane here!
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 10:41 am

Nice to see a sensible A380 debate for once!

A contender for VS must surely be LHR-HKG-SYD. I know the plan is to launch the route with the A346 but by the time the A380 enters service I'd have expected VS to have the 744 operating the route, then switching to the A380. LHR-JNB is another possible VS route as the UK and SA are both fairly restrictive on frequencies between the two countries.

Also, I may be wrong, but I'm sure Branson is on record as saying SA - California">LAX is one of the destinations he'd like to serve with the A380, though obviously not until the infrastructure changes are made.
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will B

Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:23 am

He recently wrote a letter to Arnold asking them to make the changes to the airport.
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:46 am

DXB-SYD? SIN-LAX? What kind of range is this thing going to have?

I'm still pretty skeptical of the whole A380 concept. Frequencies point-to-point are so much more important than capacity. I doubt if it'll be used on any route from JFK to Western Europe. They'll be flying museums in the winter time - empty.

Only possibility is LHR or NRT because of slots, but I'm a pessimist I guess.
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:55 am

Air France

CDG-ABJ
CDG-DKR
CDG-EZE
CDG-MEX
CDG-LAX
CDG-JFK
CDG-MIA
CDG-YUL
CDG-NRT
CDG-HKG
CDG-BKK
CDG-SIN
CDG-DXB
CDG-DEL
CDG-TLV
CDG-BEY
CDG-CAI

Emirates

DXB-CAI
DXB-SIN
DXB-KUL
DXB-BKK
DXB-HKG
DXB-MNL
DXB-NRT
DXB-LHR
DXB-CDG
DXB-FRA

Lufthansa

FRA-LAX
FRA-SFO
FRA-ORD
FRA-JFK
FRA-IAD
FRA-MIA
FRA-YYZ
FRA-MEX
FRA-EZE-SCL
FRA-GRU
FRA-CAI
FRA-JNB
FRA-TLV
FRA-DXB
FRA-BOM
FRA-DEL
FRA-BKK
FRA-SIN
FRA-HKG
FRA-PEK
FRA-NRT
FRA-MUC
MUC-GRU
MUC-LAX
MUC-SFO
MUC-ORD
MUC-BKK
MUC-JNB

Malaysia Airlines

KUL-TPE-LAX
KUL-NRT
KUL-HKG
KUL-SYD
KUL-AMS
KUL-LHR

Singapore Airlines

SIN-NRT-LAX
SIN-HKG-SFO
SIN-FRA-JFK
SIN-SYD
SIN-LHR
SIN-CDG
SIN-MNL

Virgin Atlantic

LHR-LAX
LHR-JFK
LHR-HKG-SYD
LHR-NRT
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:15 pm

I could see Virgin possibly flying from LGW to MCO during the summer when they have three daily flights to MCO from LGW all on 744s, plus that daily to MAN on the 742.
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:44 pm

SQ operating A380s to Manila? Not a chance - they don't even send 747s there. The current three daily 777s is enough to fit demand.

New York-JFK via Frankfurt will probably stay a 747 - it is not that profitable and they have been many reports in this forum of extremely low ticket prices especially on the FRA-JFK-FRA sector.

SQ's SIN-CDG flight will probably stay the current daily 747 - Air France only sends in 5x weekly 772s and 2x weekly A340s via Bangkok!

MH sending A380s to Los Angeles? They currently only fly 5x weekly there and could easily increase the flights - they used to operate to LAX from two cities. I also think that their NRT flights are currently all 777s, so if they don't send in 747s, why A380s?

Munich is unlikely to see any A380s, in my opinion.

 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:05 pm

9V-SVE,


Remember that Munich wasn't even on the map until 5 years ago when Lufthansa decided to build it up as second hub... Consequently airlines both regional and long-haul have found a great interest in the city of Munich.

Remember that Milan/Malpensa wasn't even on the map until 6 years ago when Alitalia decided to build it up as second hub... Consequently airlines both regional and long-haul have found a great interest in the city of Milan.

Munich and Milan have been two of the fastest growing hubs in Europe. These two could quiet possibly receive the A380. Remember that both are very notable cargo destinations as well..

New York/JFK to Frankfurt and the continuation to Singapore is not profitable? Are you sure you want to stand behind that statement? That route has been solid for nearly a decade. Furthermore, you are forgetting that the route features the very lucrative code share with Lufthansa German Airlines.

Singapore to Manila... Two of the three 777 flights can be consolidated into one A380 flight!

All is a guess as up until this point. The A380, hasn't even gotten off the ground yet... One thing is for certain - When the 747 was being produced people were always saying it would never fly, the airports wouldn't want it, the capacity wasn't there... Now they are eating their words... All the way to the bank!


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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:15 pm

Actually Munich and Milan were pretty busy as far back as the 70s. Even by the 80s LH and PA had nonstops to JFK from MUC and Alitalia had FCO-Milan-JFK as far back as 1970.
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:16 pm

New York/JFK to Frankfurt and the continuation to Singapore is not profitable? Are you sure you want to stand behind that statement? That route has been solid for nearly a decade. Furthermore, you are forgetting that the route features the very lucrative code share with Lufthansa German Airlines.

Yes, I have seen posts in this forum about that flight. And the Lufthansa codeshare is to be terminated soon.

Remember that Munich wasn't even on the map until 5 years ago when Lufthansa decided to build it up as second hub... Consequently airlines both regional and long-haul have found a great interest in the city of Munich.

Besides Thai and Emirates, which Asian airlines fly to Munich? Plus Lufthansa had flights to Singapore, Hong Kong, etc from Munich, but they have already been dropped.

Singapore to Manila... Two of the three 777 flights can be consolidated into one A380 flight!

Frequency is always better. And the MNL flights are timed quite well, so there is no need to change them.
 
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RE: What Do You Think The Airbus 380 Routes Will Be?

Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:27 pm

China Eastern Airlines serves Munich.

Lufthansa operates Munich to Shanghai, Tokyo, Osaka, Dubai, Tel Aviv, Cairo, Johannesburg, Sao Paulo.

Will the JFK service be discontinued? Why would Singapore Airlines drop a code share partner such as Lufthansa off of the route?


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