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Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:00 pm

BTW: How is it that IndustrialPate, ConcordeBoy, and PiedmontGirl have not shown up in this one??

[Edited 2004-02-26 04:00:42]
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:33 pm

anyone up for showing me around HNL this weekend?

I'm having dinner with the Aloha CEO tomorrow night  Smile
 
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Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:10 pm

Looks like Je89_w has done it again! Not only does he continue to get his pics uploaded into the dbase, but others are using his pics in their replies to the threads. I came across one of his pics in this thread:

https://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1415644/

Kudos to you my friend! Everyone go and check it out.
 
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Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:27 pm

Here's what a Swearingen Metro, better known as a Fairchild Metro, looks like:


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I didn't see any pictures of the type in Hawaii in the database. That photo was taken at San Diego.

The Metro is a 19 seat commuter aircraft. They used to be popular with the regional airlines (SkyWest, American Eagle, Horizon, etc) but they're not nearly as common now; like other small aircraft it's been pretty much been replaced by larger turboprops seating at least 30 passengers, like the EMB-120, Dash 8, and Saab 340.

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Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:39 pm



 
ha763
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Thu Feb 26, 2004 5:15 pm

I've actually seen the Metro take off from HNL on Monday or Tuesday.

Clickhappy, how long are you in town?
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:05 pm

here thru the 3rd.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:07 am

Wow! 506 posts! I tried to get on last night, but I think the server was overloaded.



Clickhappy,

Welcome to HNL! Were you able to get any pix @ HNL after you arrived? Sounds interesting that you are having dinner with the Glenn Zander.



The Berry Aviation Metro can be found near the Circle Rainbow Building/Hangar on LD. There are two of them. Both are white, one has red cheatlines, and the has red and blue cheatlines. They are parked in the open, next to the Air Ambulance.

The LH MD-11F that was in town yesterday, had the WOW logo on the tail, and some special markings on the fuselage. couldn't really get a good view of it, since it was parked on the far end of the NR.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:57 am

Just came home from two business meetings, and HNL is under heavy rain. Can barely see any jets at the gates.

Earlier, during the electrical storm, I had seen arriving traffic over Waikiki. Traffic right now is trades.
 
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Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:07 pm

I was at the airport and witnessed the lightning show this afternoon, all I can say is wow! I've never seen anything like it at HNL.

Two AQ 37's a classic and a NG were holding on echo for 26R when several lightning bolts came down in front of them between 26R and bravo, they returned to thier gates. A HA 717 crew no doubt saw the bolt that came down in the same area as they were over the harbor for 26R. Lightning bolts came down near a KAL MD11 as it taxied on delta. Heard that a United aircraft (don't know the type) took a lightning hit while on approach. Lightning bolts were coming down all over the airport, one about 200 yards from where I was. I knew that one was close when I saw a flash of flame and smoke come up from the grass it hit between 22L and taxiway charlie, the noise was deafening! Another bolt came down near the interisland terminal on the other side of Nimitz highway in the Moanalua area, that one must have hit a transformer because there was a large orange flash where it hit. Also heard that some poor guy at Pearl Harbor was hit by lightning.

All the electrical activity lasted about 45 minutes I'd say and except for the one HA 717 that landed, there were no flights arriving or departing during that time. Visibilty when the rain was coming down hardest can't have been more than 2 miles.

Yep, IMO an electrical storm like that is a rarity for HNL alright, in fact I don't think I can remember seeing anything like it before.

T prop.
 
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Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:41 pm

Wow! There's a storm? That's when all the fun happens. I'm missing out when I'm away...  Sad
 
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Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:55 pm

Yeah, the rain was coming down hard from 12:45 HST on. The weather forecasters say that there'll be winds up to 50 mph blowing from the southwest, tonight and tomorrow. We'll see what happens. Would have loved to see the lightning activity at HNL.

Thanks for the comments HNLFB!  Smile

I'm having a hard time catching both Berry Aviation Fairchild Metros at the Circle Rainbow area. The fence is in the way, and I don't know any departure/arrival schedules.

I like the AQ B73G color scheme. The tail should be a dark blue . . . too much white! The blue represents the Pacific Ocean. Otherwise, beautiful!
 
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Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:36 pm

Wow, a huge rejection list!  Wow! Okay, time to think of a new scanning method. A.net's standards are sure getting up there!
 
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Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:58 pm

Tried to upload some digital photos to myaviation.net, but they wouldn't take because the file size was too small. Do they want photos of at least a medium 1 file size? Haven't tried my scanned pix yet, maybe tomorrow during the storm.

Saw on the news tonight, a rare chance at watching TV, about the storm & HNL. Would be interesting to get shots of where the bolts hit on the tarmac and grass. The inbound UA flight was not mentioned, but they said an AQ 737 on their ramp was struck, as well as the HA hangar. This is the 3rd time this year that HNL's been closed because of a storm. I guess any diversions went to KOA or OGG? Wonder if anyone caught a photo of any of the bolts? Definitely not a good day to fly. Weather forecasts say tomorrow may be just as hairy. I pray not.
 
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Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:28 pm

Qantas brought this psychedelic mind warping plane in last night.

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Je89 w-

Berry usually departs about 0700 and returns between 1400/1500. I believe they don't fly on Fridays and Sundays though. According to the mechanic, the swearingatit(swearing at it) metroliner is a piece of sheyt. Always has problems of some sort, that's why they had to bring in a second airplane as a back-up.

J-AGG
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sat Feb 28, 2004 4:59 am

Looked out my window @ 0800 and HNL was under heavy rain, and now around 1000, things haven't changed. Not a good day for spotting.
 
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Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:50 am

Last I heard before I left work around 1230 was that JL79 turned back to KOA due to HNL weather. It is supposed to wait 2 hours before trying to return to HNL.
 
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Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:41 am

HNL ATC is allowing traffic to arrive and depart right now. Latest info "Q" (0033 Zulu) on HNL ATIS has visibility @ one mile, winds are 260 @ 16. Still can't see HNL. I would not want to fly in this weather if I had the choice.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:48 am

Ha763,

What is the routing on JL79? KOA-HNL-? I didn't know the KOA flight came through HNL. I thought it was direct from Japan. Just curious. This storm is gnarly....
 
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Sat Feb 28, 2004 10:24 am

JAL 79 is KOA-HNL-NRT. Looks like it's a 747-300 today, yesterday was a DC-10.

FlyteComm shows two KOA-HNL segments today, both arrived. I'm guessing the earlier one was the one that went back to KOA.

David / MRY
 
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Sat Feb 28, 2004 4:08 pm

JL rotates the 743 and DC-10 for the KOA flight according to pax count. The stop in HNL on the way back to NRT, is partly for fuel, and more pax.



Over 15K views!



Pray the weather clears over the weekend. Were any other flights delayed because of today's weather? I heard ATC trying direct traffic around storm cells. Must have had turbulence coming and going.
 
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Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:48 pm

Too bad the rains had to come when Royal was in town.
 
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Sat Feb 28, 2004 6:24 pm

The weather forecast for the next few days look promising, partly cloudy, to go out to HNL to go spotting. Though I don't know when I'll be able to go.

You guys can count on the fact that if I see anything from my lanai, I'll report it here.
 
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:51 am

Royal is here till the 3rd. Given that today's weather is nice, at least where I am, it shouldn't be too bad for him.
 
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 6:03 am

Just read in the paper that a HA25 got hit by lighting yesterday. The flight was near KOA when it hit the nose and caused instuments to malfunction and then diverted to KOA. There was no mention of any UA flights getting hit by lightning. Good thing I was in DG training, but would have been cool to see all the lightning.
 
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:36 am

Ha763,

was that flight inbound from ITO and diverted to KOA? Just wondering....
 
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:10 am

According to the HA website, HA25 is PDX - HNL. It must have got re-routed because of yesterday's weather.

Did anyone go out today?
 
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:25 am

Bluewave,

Thanks for the info...I could have gone to the HA website, sorry, I was just being lazy. Anyone know how long it was in KOA before coming into HNL? I bet it had to take on some fuel before continuing into HNL. A HA 763 in KOA is a real rarity...actually, it was probably a first! I would have love to have seen that.
 
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:54 am

Just read in the paper that a HA25 got hit by lighting yesterday. The flight was near KOA when it hit the nose and caused instuments to malfunction and then diverted to KOA. There was no mention of any UA flights getting hit by lightning. Good thing I was in DG training, but would have been cool to see all the lightning.

Someone got a picture of an AQ 37 classic taking a lightning strike while taxying in Honolulu, the picture was shown on KGMB's newscast yesterday. It shows the bolt hitting the jet on the nose, I wonder who it was that took the pic?

T prop.
 
je89_w
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 1:42 pm

Wow, interesting. Didn't see the AQ photo.

The rain was on and off today. There was sun, and the next thing you know, the rain comes down hard, then it clears again.
 
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:05 pm

HNL had 8R closed during various parts of the day. It's fun to watch heavies take-off from 8L, and make the 60° right turn to go to the 140° initial heading (or 155° if heading to Asia). Clipperhawaii, remember those days? Royal's dad would remember that too.

Went down to HNL around 1700, and saw state DoT trucks in the infield between RA and 8R.

ATIS has an advisory about standing water on the runways and taxiways. Some T/Ws were closed in sections: B between E and S, V north of 8L, G and L lighting not working north of A, and others I can't recall.

Suffice it to say, that this last storm must have wreaked some havoc on HNL.

Might have time to check out HNL tomorrow.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:10 pm

So what heavies did you see depart 08L today? Must have been quite a sight.

Might have some time tomorrow too.
 
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:23 pm

This morning from the Ala Moana area, a couple of JL 747s, and an AA 763 this afternoon. If 8R is closed tomorrow, try the Keehi tennis court parking lot, or the WP parking lot. those should provide the best angles.
 
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:26 pm

Hoho, thanks for the info. I'll be there to check em out!  Smile
 
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:51 pm

This morning, a twin-engined plane (commercial . . . B767 or B757) flew right over my condo fairly low, in a south east direction (near Punchbowl), and flew higher until she was over the ocean and finally made a left turn. I'm assuming she took off on runway 04R. Very unusual.

Anyone have info on this?
 
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:53 pm

I think that can, for sure, be considered as a HNL rarity!
 
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Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:09 pm

Je89_W,

Definitely a rarity. Does not happen very often. What time did that twin buzz your place?
Darn! If it was after 0800, I missed it! I was on my way to a business meeting.

Sounds like it may have had to abort a 04R landing, not a missed approach(!), probably pulled up at the last second. Did you check FC for a possible flight during that time? Did you see any part of it?



A Garuda MD-11 did that late one night several years ago, when it struck its tail section on a 4R landing. The pilot gunned it and went around. It suffered some big damage to the underside and the tail cone. I remember watching that from my lanai, after hearing the pilot request to go around. The MD-11 pulled up and made its sweeping right turn making its way toward my condo and over it.

I know it sat on the SR for a few weeks while they got the bird airworthy. I can't recall if they flew it back to LGB for repairs. I heard the pilot got punished by the Garuda management for that incident.

I also remember seeing a UA DC-10 flying over Makiki, making a right turn to head back over the water. That was about 15 years ago. Might have been another TOGA. Can't imagine the turn radius to be real short, like an F-16.
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2004 5:26 am

Actually, I didn't see it. My mom did (yeah she knows planes  Big grin). She said it was around 09:30. I don't know if it was an aborted landing, she turned east toward the mainland after she was over the ocean, not toward HNL.
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2004 7:34 am

I remember the good old days of GA flying to HNL. Too bad I didn't catch it on film.

Here are the 2 rarities I caught on Valentines day (the day the AN-225 left):
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/nz763_21404.jpg
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/ac_a343_21404.jpg

Enjoy! Hopefully they wont get rejected.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:01 am

Je89_W,

As always, nice pix! I missed that airliner yesterday, I was still in my meeting. If it was a departure, it was a definite rare one indeed!

Was interesting that the angle of the NZ 763 caught the rush-hour traffic on H-1, especially the Coke truck.  Smile



Went out to HNL, but got rained on, well my car did. Looks like it's clearing up now.


Uploaded some photos to both a.net & myav.net. One is already up @ ma.

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je89_w
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Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:51 am

Thanks for the comments. That condo in the background of the NZ photo must have a fantastic view of HNL! I must say the Coke truck really stands out!  Big grin

Still have more to upload.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:08 am

I agree with you, Je98_W, that condo and a couple others in Salt Lake got front row seats to HNL. I guess mine would be something like balcony level (ha ha ha, no pun intended), you know what I mean. Did not consider Salt Lake when I got my place. Maybe I should have?

Though I'm glad I don't have to fight that east-bound morning traffic, like those guys probably getting thirsty looking at that Coke truck. Definitely one of my favorite beverages, but THE favorite, that's XS Energy Drink.
 
je89_w
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:46 am

I like my location, although I can't see the airport (yeah, worst than balcony level  Big grin). But our location is convenient for commuting. Downtown is just around the corner. I'm happy with what I can see from my place. People from Ewa have to commute up Fort Weaver Road, which during rush-time hours, can literally be a parking lot.

BTW, nice shot of the USAF B737BBJ. I still have no luck in catching it. If I'm not mistaken, it's based here. I was in Singapore when the Hickam Air Show was taking place. And I didn't have time to make it to the Barbers Point Air Show (100 years of flight).  Sad

I like Coke. My favorite soda. I also like Root Beer, Sprite/7-UP/Sierra Mist. Pepsi is too sweet and watery, in my opinion.

Today's weather is sunny, yet cloudy at some times. Now, it is raining suddenly, a few minutes ago was sunny. (14:46 HST)
 
ha763
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Mon Mar 01, 2004 10:29 am

Wow, there are some buildings I don't recognize in that NZ photo. I usually see the C-40 leaving in the morning, around 7:00.

BTW, Coke is the best. I can tell the difference between Coke and Pepsi and refuse to drink Pepsi. There have been times when I order a Coke and when I drink it, it tastes funny. Then I look in the menu and see that they only have Pepsi.
 
je89_w
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Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:45 pm

Actually, I don't know any of the buildings in my NZ photo. The only one that is the most distinct is that big tall white one.

Here is another shot:
https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/kamaka_2804.jpg
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2004 1:48 pm

I know that the tall buildings on the left are Salt Lake apartments, but that building up in the mountains by the tail is the one I don't recognize. I wonder if it is part of Ft. Shafter?
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2004 3:28 pm

According to my map, that building could be Red Hill Elementry School, Moanalua Medical Center, or Halawa Security Facility. Hmmm, perhaps Bluewave might know this.
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:03 pm

It always looks weird since I rarely see the mountains from that vantage point. I know it's not Red Hill Elementary, Kaiser, or Halawa Prision. Actually, I think it maybe part of Tripler. I'll just have to try to take a look tomorrow at work.
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:04 pm

I went back and looked @ the photo. My guess is, those tall buildings directly behind the trees are in Salt Lake, and probably front Salt Lake Boulevard, near the Puuloa Road intersection. My reason is, the angle of the photo. The buildings further back are look like part of the Ft Shafter complex, I'm guessing. There are a few buildings furhter west that would have a very close view too. Check it out from the freeway, next time.  Smile Hope this helps.
 
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Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:46 pm

What was the wind direction today? Was it even changed to konas? If 08R/26L was closed, it would have been a fantastic sight seeing the heavies landing on runway 26R!

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