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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:11 am

Kalakaua,

A big mahalo for your support. I'm glad someone agrees, and I bet the other HNL spotters agree also.

I believe that EVERY law enforcement personnel must read "How To Win Friends & Influence People". It's a book not just for business people. It's for cops too! They deal with people all day. It must be out of their comfort zone to approach people to cite them for something, beause it's their JOB. If they approach people with respect, they will (in most cases) get respect back. And cops wonder why a lot of people hate cops, no matter from what agency.



The weather @ HNL right now is rain. But, the sun is out, and hoping that it will burn off the clouds.  Smile
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:28 am

Rain

Went out anyway. There was a break for a while. The rest of the island was engulfed in grey . There was an NH 744 flying as NH9403 that departed as I got there. That was it. Lots of families eating lunch @ the GA lot, no hassles from HSD or Akal.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:23 pm

Today's weather was bad so I decided to stay in.

Post the NH B744 photo!  Smile
 
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Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:25 pm

I'll be coming in Monday on AA297 from LAX.

Will have my camera with me, but it sounds like things are back to normal (both runway-wise and police-wise). So I don't know if I'll get out there.

Je89_w, and anyone else who wants to get together next week, email me at dsm42(at)iname.com. I'm flying back to California on Saturday.

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Mon Mar 22, 2004 5:47 pm

Maybe the runways will be closed tomorrow onwards (March 22).

Lets see what the others have to say.

When out at the GA lot, hide your cameras because the security get curious when they see it. They don't mind people talking.
 
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Mon Mar 22, 2004 6:40 pm

We'll see what kind of weather we'll have. If you check ATIS in the morning around 0800, it may tell the taxiway / runway closures if any.

I'm going try to be out there early, like 0930 - 1000 (that's early for me).



BTW, we broke 23,000 views!
 
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Tue Mar 23, 2004 3:06 am

Aloha kakahi'aka!

HNL ATIS info W does not list any taxiway or runway closures.

Today's LH8400 MD-11F is in the WOW livery. Just arrived a few minutes ago.
 
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Tue Mar 23, 2004 7:54 am

Looks like the taxiway conditions are back to normal. They had to do it last week from Mon-Fri.

The weather is bad again, so looks like I'll stay in again.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Tue Mar 23, 2004 8:39 am

Went out there today, but the only thing I caught was a TZ 753 (N561TZ) arriving on 4R. Checked out Elliott and got N584HA sitting on the ramp. Will post the pix in a day or two.



I finally got in touch with the security manager @ HNL, and here's what I was told: During condition YELLOW and below, we CAN take photos from around HNL. He said HSD and Akal can question us, but do not have the right to confiscate any film or memory cards. He understands our hobby and has no problem with it. HSD and Akal are just taking precautions by questioning us. If it's condition ORANGE and above, forget it (no brainer).

If any of you HNL spotters want the security manager's #, contact me.
 
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Tue Mar 23, 2004 8:47 am

Thanks for the info, Bluewave.  Big thumbs up I hope that number will come in handy!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Did he mention Eliott Street? That place freaks me out and I will never dare go back to that place, no matter what gem is parked there. But If he says it's okay to take photos from there, then great!
 
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Tue Mar 23, 2004 8:59 am

How come you are freaked out about Elliott Street? I know there are no parking signs all along there, and I saw several Sheriff cars coming and going, not to mention the federal holding facility.....come to think of it, it is kind of sketchy (good for photos in the afternoon however!).
 
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Tue Mar 23, 2004 9:56 am

The tactic I take for taking photos along the Elliot Street Ramp area is hit & run. Find what I want, pull over, and snap away.

I'll look for the AQ 73Gs with winglets (though I should get a few pix before they get them), mainly. Or if those little palm trees do not obstruct the plane too much. I haven't tried all the way toward the very end where there's an employee parking lot.

However, going into the employee lot, or taking pix from the Inter-island parking structure is not a good idea. Akal will not be too pleased about that.

Okay, this was going a bit far ... I took photos of the Elliot Street Ramp from the H-1 freeway east-bound emergency lane. But, I got my shots. Unfortunately, its on film, and I'm trying to find out how to scan the photo to a 1024x768 file size. I'll figure a way to post it on either a.net or MA.net.  Smile


With this wind, it was interesting to watch the GA aircraft take off and land, trying to correct their heading, and not get pushed around.
 
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Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:10 am

A while back I remember hearing about an ex-DL L-1011 Tristar at HNL...several of them were sighted there, if I remember. Those certainly qualify for HNL rarities nowadays Big grin
 
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Tue Mar 23, 2004 3:08 pm

Ok, I told Bluewave that I would post about my HNL visit this morning, so here goes...I was out around 1000-1030 and parked at the end of Lagoon along the RR. I saw an AQ 73NG WITH winglets take off. It seemed like a really short roll and then it just pulled it's nose up and it was gone! GREAT sight! That was followed by an ANA 763 and a JL 743. Always a thrill to be so close to these incredible flying machines. The UA SFO 757 took off on one of the runways near the terminals. (Sorry, I am not that up on all of the names of the runways at HNL, I know for shame on me.) Also, a GA jet, never saw one like this before took off along the GA/Freight terminals.

That's it for me. Sorry I missed you Bluewave, maybe we can spot another time together.

HNLFB
 
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Tue Mar 23, 2004 3:40 pm

HNLFB,

Got your email after I made a stop @ home for lunch. Sorry I missed seeing you out there. The rest of the week will be spur of the moment / whenever I've got time to spare. I'll be there Friday around 0930 - 1000 since I need to be in the area.



I have not checked tomorrow's forecast, but let's all pray for clear spotting weather for the rest of the week, and some rare birds to pass through.
 
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Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:32 pm

Forecast for the rest of the week calls for more clouds and rain.
 
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Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:36 pm

Actually the weather forcast is cloudy till Friday, but hopefully they're wrong!  Smile

HNLFB, maybe we can meet on Friday as Bluewave said (0930-1000)?

I just feel too exposed at Eliott Street, after my little run through with the HSD Sheriffs.
 
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Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:52 pm

Bluewave and Je89_w,

Let's see if we can plan on meeting Friday 0930-1000. I think it would be fun to meet you guys. Suppose to be sunny on Wed. and raining the rest of the week. Doesn't sound like there are any rare birds coming through...but it's always fun to be out there anyway. The only other place I'd rather be is on a plane.

HNLFB
 
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Tue Mar 23, 2004 5:59 pm

Je89_w,

I posted the NH 744 pic on MA.net, it should be up in a few days, along with some other goodies from the last couple of days, including some Elliot Street stuff.

I had to run the NH 744 pic through Adobe PhotoDeluxe to sharpen it up since my digital camera only has digital zoom, but I got the shot.


Regarding the guy who said HSD (or Akal) confiscated his film, I asked the Security Manager about this, and his response was that none of the law enforcement personnel turned in any roll(s) of film to his office, since his responsiblity would be to turn it over to the US Homeland Security Dept, or the FBI for further evaluation.

I'm not sure if I'm repeating myself (sorry if I am), but there was an Akal guard sitting by the car entry gate @ the GA lot from around 1145 today. There were no photo ops, but she just sat on the curb writing something on a notepad, in this wind, no shelter. That must have sucked. Well, at least we have the okay from the Security Manager to take photos.



I will post any taxiway closures (if any) during the week. Last week, the closures went from around 0800 to around 1630.
 
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Tue Mar 23, 2004 6:46 pm

Thanks for getting the info about all this Bluewave!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Can't wait to see your photos!

Right now Friday sounds okay. I'll keep you guys informed of any changes.
 
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Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:01 am

HNL ATIS info Z has taxiways A (between 8L and B) and M closed. The winds are blowing from 300° @ 7 kts. If it goes any further due west, we may see Kona wind traffic patterns. Just need the rain to clear up.
 
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Wed Mar 24, 2004 8:59 am

There is (or maybe was now) a CO 777 parked on the north ramp. Reg N27015.
 
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Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:55 am

Wonder what that CO 777 was doing in town? I thought we were only served with the 764? Anybody know?
 
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Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:33 am

CO has used the 777 on scheduled flights in the past. They used them during summer-winter 2002/2003 between IAH and HNL. I saw them every day before I got laid off. Even got to see the Peter Max CO777 once.
 
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Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:42 am

Looks like another AN124 due in this evening

Airline Antonov Design Bureau
Flight Number 7012
Departure City (Airport) Ontario, CA (ONT)
Departure Time 03/23/2004 06:47 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Honolulu, HI (HNL)
Arrival Time 03/23/2004 10:58 PM
Remaining Flight Time 06:11 (planned)
Aircraft Type A124
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Planned
 
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Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:55 am

Clickhappy

Thanks for the An-124 heads-up! By the way, you took some great photos @ HNL.



CO772s: CO will use them on certain routes, and when demand permits. I have a photo of one that was here last September, it was either going to IAH or EWR or even LAX.
 
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Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:41 am

I also have a photo of a CO B772 in HNL. Unfortunately not the Peter Max one though.

Looks like Friday is out now, wont be free all day. How about Thursday?

Thanks for the info Clickhappy.  Smile
 
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Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:54 pm

Will try tomorrow to get a pic of the An-124. Will check from my lanai if it's on the NR, and if there are any taxiway closures and post it in the morning.
 
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Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:44 am

The ADB An-124 is parked @ Hardstand 1B on the NR. There also is an NH 742 parked @ Gate 30(?), not the usual 763.

I left my scanner in my car, so I'm going to assume that the same taxiways are closed. I haven't seen any heavies take off yet, but I will put up a post if 8R is closed.
 
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Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:24 am

Here is the HNL ATIS:

Taxiway M is closed between A and B; taxiway A is closed between 08L and B. That would mean the heavies would takeoff on 08R as usual. Saw a NW B744 in old colors takeoff runway 08R from my lanai.

I'm assuming the NH B742 will takeoff at 11:30 again, which I'll miss. Hope someone nails it!
 
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Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:38 am

Hey Ha763 and Bluewave,

Just browsed MyAviation.net, and saw all your shots. Great job!  Big thumbs up

Now if you don't mind, I'm going to plug some of them  Big grin


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Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:03 am

My very first flight ever was on June 16, 1981 on WA #561 travelling with my family for holiday from LAX to HNL. What a memorable flight that was! I remember many diferrent widebodies that afternoon pulling into the cental councourse at HNL. Such widebodies as PA 747-100's, BN 747-200's, JL 747-100's, NW 747-100, 200's and DC-10-40's, UA 747-100's , 200's DC-8'61's and DC-10-10's, QF and TZ 747-200's. The list could go on. Not to forget the colorful AQ 727-200 funbirds, HA DC-9-50's (both leaving black smoke trails when departing HNL) and the Mid Pacific Air YS-11 turboprops!

I will never forget WA:


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- Ron
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Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:35 am

I never got to see Western Airlines before. When did DL take over Western?

The oldest HNL stuff I saw were those SQ B747s, UA B741/2s, AQ B732 orange colors and that's all I can think of.

I'd love to see those old B707s and those Mid Pacific YS-11s.

BTW, when was the reef runway opened? When it opened, was there some ceremony?



Browsed A.net, and saw this:

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Congrats Bluewave!  Big thumbs up I know A.net's standards are high . . . I have my share of rejections too. Keep those photos coming! Nice shot!
 
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Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:34 am

Delta Air Lines completed it's takeover of Western Airlines on April 01, 1987.


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Sorely missed.

- Ron
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Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:51 am

Thanks for the info WesternDC1010. I can just imagine how sad it was to see those flying Ws disappear. I'm sure the other spotters think so too.  Sad
 
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Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:06 am

It was hard to see such great carriers like Pan Am (Mk I & II), Trans World, Eastern, Pacific Southwest, AirCal, Western, Ozark, Hughes Airwest, National (Mk I & II), Canadian and Braniff (MK I, II & III) fade away and/or get merged into other carriers. The DC-10, WA and HNL will forever have a special place in my heart.

- Ron
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Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:28 am

In the list above, the only airline I've seen is TW and CP. So sad to see them go. TW still flew into HNL even though they were absorbed by AA (remember seeing their B763s and even a few times if you were lucky, the old red colors).

What happened to Mid Pacific? Isn't the neighbor island route popular? Or was Mid Pacific taken over by AQ or HA?

I love Hughes Airwest and Braniff's color scheme a lot. Too bad there are only few airlines flying around today with so much color.  Sad

Many airlines in China like XO and SZ have been absorbed by MU, CZ, or CA.
 
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Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:58 am

Je89_w,

Thanks for plugging the photos I posted.

I agree, I miss those old airlines, and those distinctive liveries. The one of the hardest things to look at in this hobby, is the hybrid colors as an airline is taken over by another, like the DL/WA, US/PS, RC/RW, US/PI, AA/OC, or the AA/TW mergers. I miss flying PS the most, the prettiest FAs in my opinion, among other reasons.

As far as Mid-Pacific goes, there were a bunch of reasons why they died. They did get off to a great start, but slowly fizzled out of existence. One of their YS-11s became part of an artificial reef off of Waikiki for the sub tours.

With more carriers offering mainland to neighbor island flights, AQ and HA have seen a downturn in inter-island traffic, but people often come to HNL first before going off of Oahu. WP's current plan is to continue to fill the void in the smaller markets, which will be their niche. As far as a new 3rd player coming in, the only way that they could prosper, would be to offer service that neither AQ, HA, or even WP can't fill. The only thing I can think of, would be flights using RJs, and low-fares. It is a risky move, and in these times, the odds are against them.



WesternDC10,

Thanks for bringing back memories of WA, and the hybrid DL colors. Great banter.



Got the ADB An-124 (UR-82027) @ UCF. Will post it in a few days. Missed the NH 742 departure. An Akal guard is posted by the car entry gate @ the GA lot. They have their car parked hidden in the oleander bushes, and will pop up once in a while, then go back in their car. I managed to get a photo of a 5X 763F, and an FX MD-11F taxiing to 8R.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:06 pm

The weather was pretty good today. Too bad I had no time to go out.

Will you guys have time tomorrow? I might go out in the morning, if weather is good, or if I even get up!  Big grin
 
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Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:42 pm

AN-224's now seem to be regulars here in HNL. Not sure if any other Russian type has flown in recently(other than that AN-225).

IL-62's have been seen but not sure if any of you guys have seen it of late.

When was the last RAF VC-10 here at Hickam they used to pop in regularly?

I have not come up with a "HNL Rarities Blast from the Past" in some time but I am looking hard for a good one!

Regards guys!
 
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Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:01 pm

Everytime I see a post from someone that is not in the core group of this thread, I pray it's something positive, and not some rantings of a jealous / immature / ignorant / all of the above person. Well, we got one. I'm glad the Clipperhawaii and Je89_w did not respond to that post.

My counsel to those who don't like / tired of / not interested / all of the above, is: Please don't click on the link to read it. It's like the TV or radio, if it's not something you prefer, then don't watch it or listen to it.

There are others who love reading this thread, especially those former Hawaii residents who now live and work (or study) on the mainland have a little slice of Aloha on the internet. Plus all those words of support from those outside of HNL. Besides, airliners.net has us listed in the top 10 threads in the Civil Aviation forum banner ad.

I will refrain on going off on another rebuttal like I did the last time a person of questionable character posted an unnecessary scathing post, to which I'd like to thank the person who suggested a deletion of that post (you & I know who you are).

Suffice it to say, we spotters in Honolulu just love to report on any and all rare birds that pass through here.
 
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Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:28 am

I will be out at HNL this morning by 0900 and not sure how long I will be staying. If anybody is going to be around, say HI! I park along the Reef Runway at the end of Lagoon.

Bluewave, I saw that negative post too and thought about responding, but didn't want to waste my energy. You are right about a "core" group of people that support this thread. It has gained international recognition and that is great. As there are more people that support and continue with positive replies to the thread than those that are negative towards it, I really don't see the point of people like that. Everyone has their "little corner of the world" (let's see who gets that reference!). This is ours. Long live HNL Rarities and I personally like when I log on and see it on the front page of a.net!

Mahalo to all that support this thread!
 
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Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:47 am

bluewave707-
i didnt mean that in an offensive way to anyone at all. i would love the opportunity to visit HNL and do some spotting/photography, let alone relax in Hawaii! Big grin i just find it amazing that this thread has become so huge, when most are locked up by now. please dont take those coments in the wrong way.

 
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Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:05 am

I will be relocating to HNL this summer. You can bet I'll be spotting with you. Great thread.
 
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Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:18 am

Raybolt,

No problem. HNL is a unique place to spot. I suppose the powers-that-be @ airliners.net must see something special in this thread. Bring a lot of sunscreen, a scanner, and LOTS of film (or memory cards).



28S,

I hope we've provided you witha lot of info on where to spot @ HNL when you move here.



Looked out my window about 20 minutes ago, and saw a NH 744 sitting @ Gate 19. Checked FC, its NH1958 from Sendai (SDJ), but will depart as NH1955 to Chitose-Sapporo (CTS) @ 1130.

Also from FC, an NZ A320, scheduled to arrive around 1630 HST from LAX as NZ6390.

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Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:37 am

Thank you Bluewave 707! You've stated perfectly what a lot of us have been feeling lately regarding posts.

I give you a great deal of RESPECT!

Regards,

-Ron
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Fri Mar 26, 2004 6:13 am

WesternDC10,

Thanks for those kind words, and your support.



It's raining @ HNL. Hope it clears this afternoon for the NZ A320.
 
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Fri Mar 26, 2004 7:56 am

I figured out that the NZ69xx flights listed on FC are a code-share with LH8400, which originates in FRA, then to ORD, then HNL, then to ... The flight times are rather similar, and the routing is the same.

Rain is forecasted for the weekend. Yuck!
 
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Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:26 pm

Bluewave 707, From way back when you mentioned a DL 767 that looked a little short for a 763, one way to check easily is to spot the raked winglets, if you can see them once from above, you will know what to look at from the side or ground level.

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Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:33 pm

28S, hope to meet you soon!

Sorry HNLFB and Bluewave, can't make it tomorrow morning. Hope you guys get good shots (especially the NZ A320!). Can you guys make it on Saturday? I'll be free all day.

Wow, ever since December, no luck in catching any NH B747 yet! Getting desperate!

WesternDC1010, thanks for adding me to your respected user list! Big grin

Rain, rain, rain, from last week Saturday till today, and still forcasted to March 28th! Unbelievable!  Nuts So long for my break!

Talking about B767s, CO briefly flew their B762s to HNL during one season. Never had the chance to photograph it, though I saw it taking off quite a few times. Anyone see it before?

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