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Bluewave 707
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HNL Rarities ...

Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:26 am

I am starting this thread for any and all HNL spotters to report any rarities passing through HNL. It seems there are several spotters in HNL, or who frequent this city.

Please also feel free to report other news like: aircraft/airline info, wind conditions, new types of aircraft servicing HNL by existing carriers, and all that great stuff! Photos welcome too!

Aloha!  Big grin
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:37 am

Alitalia comes to mind  Smile
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:04 am

I need to bring my camera to work when I work on the ramp. I can try to get pictures of some aircraft, like the OAI 757, which I see everyday and try to get them into the database.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:15 am

In May 2000 I flew into HNL for the first time. Can't say that I saw any "rarities" in terms of air carriers. However I never saw so many tri-jets and classic 747's in one place before. AA DC-10's, ATA L-1011's, JAL 747's, NWA 747's etc.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:50 am

Honolulu gets a lot of smaller Boeing aircraft which are on a delivery flights to Asia. There is a picture in the database of a China Airlines 737, but I can't find it.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:51 am

Continuing the discussion from "A 727 And Two 737s @ HNL ..." thread:

Yeah, the winds have changed, but changed a little too late for me. I may consider going out to HNL later this afternoon, if the winds continue to blow from the south. I must say the weather is pretty good!

I'm getting a little desperate of not catching any NH B747s, as the winter season is coming to an end. Does anyone know how long these NH**** flights from various Japanese cities will continue to fly in to HNL? I just missed a B744 from Sapporo today.

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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:28 am

About time for the weather to clear up. I was getting tired of all the rain.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:40 am

Ha763,

Isn't amazing how we take some airlines and their planes for granted?



Glad to see several posts already.  Smile

I still can't believe that NH (or NQ) is flying their 744s to HNL. I'm not saying impossible. Definitely want to see one of their 744s.

Does anyone know if EVA Air still flies here?
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:09 pm

EVA Air stopped flying to HNL around 1996 or 1997. They used their B763s for that route.

I'm pretty sure I saw an NH B744 arrive on runway 26L. Came in from Sapporo at 11:27 as NH1954.

http://www.flytecomm.com/cgi-bin/trackflight

Today I went out in the late afternoon, and saw nothing but inter-island traffic. All the mainland traffic landed on runway 26L. Pretty cool to see the F-15s too.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:29 pm

Has it been that long since EVA pulled out of HNL? Wow! I know I have a photo of a BR 762ER on t/w RT somewhere. I thought I scanned it, I guess not. I'll have to check the date on that shot. I was thinking from '99 or so was the last time I saw a BR 767. Hmmm ... Oh well ...

As for the elusive NH 744, I'll keep looking for it.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Mon Jan 12, 2004 9:18 am

Bluewave,

The ANA 744s I have seen were most likely charters. I saw them during the busy Christmas/New Year travel period.

I was working on the ramp today and there wasn't much to see. I couldn't get many good pictures due to lighting. I tried to get a picture of the China Airlines A340, but it was a little early and the clouds were blocking the sun. Best picture I took was of the Korean 777-200, but they were loading and I have a bunch of ground equipment in the way.

BTW, all I have is a small 2 megapixel digital camera so it can be a little difficult to get shots good enough to get into the database, but it is possible since I have gotten pics into the database with the camera.

[Edited 2004-01-12 01:25:45]
 
Bluewave 707
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Mon Jan 12, 2004 2:27 pm

While videotaping a wedding this afternoon around 1600 HST in the Nu'uanu area, I saw what appeared to be a Fairchild/Swearingen Metro (not sure on the variant - II, III, or 23) on final for the 22s. The long, narrow fuselage gave it away. According to the "Airways North American Airlines Handbook - 3rd Edition" [ANAAH3, for future reference in this thread] , there are no small carriers flying Metros in Hawaii.

Anyone see that as well?

Anyone got info on it?

Couldn't see any markings since the sun backlit the plane.


I figured the NH 744s were on charter flights.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Mon Jan 12, 2004 2:48 pm

I'm guessing this is the Metro, time looks about right. From FlyteComm.

Southern Cross Aviation Flight 101 to Honolulu, HI
(HNL-Honolulu International Airport)

Airline Southern Cross Aviation
Flight Number 101
Departure City (Airport) Camarillo, CA (CMA)
Departure Time 01/11/2004 08:18 AM
Arrival City (Airport) Honolulu, HI (HNL)
Arrival Time 01/11/2004 04:10 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Swearingen Merlin 3
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived


David / MRY
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:00 pm

Thanks David ... by the sound of the name, it seems like its going Down Under.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:46 pm

Wow lots of discussion here!

Regarding the EVA Air B767, perhaps they pulled out of HNL in 1999. I'm not 100% sure if it's 1997. Amazing to catch a BR B762! Wow! I've only seen their B763s here. Post it up! I believe there are no shots of a BR B762 at HNL in the database yet . . . I certainly don't have any.

As for the CI A343, I'm going to wait until summer comes (I've given up due to their flights coming in so early, and when the sun rises late), where the sun would rise earlier, and when it would be in a better position (so I can photograph 08R departures from the parking lot, instead of having the sun in my face  Wink/being sarcastic). I just have to cross my fingers and hope that their A343s will continue to come in as summer approaches. BTW, I've been noticing that CI2 from TPE has been coming in earlier and earlier . . . today's arrival was 04:59!  Nuts

That aircraft Bluewave707 was talking about is the Southern Cross Aviation Swearingen Merlin III, as David posted. There is also this airline company called "Berry Aviation" which uses the same aircraft type. They park their plane in front of the Circle Rainbow Aviation building. Seem to be based here.

Today was kona winds from around noon. Went out at around 15:40. I spotted a lot of mainland arrivals, departures, inter-island traffic. The highlight was an Evergreen International B741. Saw it taxiing all the way from Hickam AFB to runway 26L.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:48 pm

BTW, Southern Cross has B767s. They have came into HNL at night, according to some people from Airservice.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Mon Jan 12, 2004 5:56 pm

I've seen the PR A340s depart 8R around 0900 HST. As far as the CI A343s go ... trying to remember ... seen their 742s, 744s, & MD-11s + their 737s on delivery flights here. I heard a reference to a "Dynasty A340" on my scanner, but did not see it, yet.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:53 am

The Metro on FlyteComm looks like a ferry flight. Southern Cross Aviation in this case is a ferry company, they're based in Camarillo. I don't think this is the Southern Cross that has the 767's http://www.southernx.com

The Metro parked in front of Circle Rainbow belongs to Berry Aviation, they must have a military contract as they're flying trips out to Johnson atoll. http://www.berryair.com

T prop.

 
Bluewave 707
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:03 am

The Kona winds are blowing. Kona ops were even going strong late last night!

Taxiway RM (high-speed) was closed last night, don't know if they opened it back up. HNL ATIS made no mention of it, a few minutes ago. I have not heard anything arriving call in, in the last few minutes either. The closure forced all landing traffic to taxi all the way down to the end, with another arriving aircraft right behind it. HNL ATC was telling pilots to hurry down the runway. At one time, weren't there 2 high-speeds in each direction on the Reef Runway? All current maps show only one.

Looks like it's raining over @ HNL. Can't see anything rare there.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:29 am

Looks like you guys missed last Thursday's Lauda 763 charter to LAX.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:36 am

ETA,

That was on my other HNL thread: "A 727 & 2 737s @ HNL". Someone had made reference to the Lauda 763 that passed through. You can go back and check that thread for other sightings if you want.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:49 am

Just seen a French Navy Dassault Falcon (variant unknown) making final for 26L. Call sign was "French Navy 5252" and going to Hickam AFB. Bon Jour!
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:51 pm

question for the HNL locals, I am finally making my Hawaii trip, postponed since last year. I will be there Feb 25 - March 2. I will be staying at some big tower thing in Discovery Bay, with a 20th floor room. Will I see any planes from this location? I will be facing the ocean.

Royal
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:14 pm

Clickhappy,

You might. Discovery Bay is on the mauka (mountain) side of Ala Moana Blvd at the west end of Waikiki. Facing the ocean you would generally be able to see departing flights from HNL; if there are Kona wind conditions you would see arrivals instead. Binoculars might help to identify aircraft.

However, the Hawaii Prince Hotel and the Renaissance Ilikai Hotel are both on the makai (ocean) side of Ala Moana Blvd, and they may block your view.

David / MRY
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:43 pm

It also depends which way the unit you'll be staying in is facing. I also agree with David's post.

You can also take a stroll out to the Hilton Lagoon/Ala Wai Helipad (which closed down), and watch planes from there. It's directly ahead of Discovery Bay. The fastest way to get there is to walk through the Ilikai Hotel. There are no lavs out there, so you'd probably want to use one @ the Ilikai or the Hilton. There is a lunch wagon in the parking lot. The food's pretty good. There is a McD's, Subway,and Starbucks in Discovery Bay. That's what you call convenient.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:29 pm

No need- saw the Lauda bird at LAX!
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:41 am

I was checking FlyteComm and found a Kitty Hawk cargo flight arriving today (13 Jan 2004) @ HNL. The flight is listed as KHA835. As of yet, no aircraft type is listed. The flight originates from PHX, and the HNL ETA is 1427 HST. According to the ANAAH 3rd Ed, the only aircraft in KHA's fleet is the 727-200F.

Questions:
- Is KHA a still part of Kalitta, directly or indirectly?

- Can anyone verify that the aircraft arriving today is a 727-200F?


Other than that, FC does not list anything else rare passing through HNL.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:25 pm

I can't seem to track down that KHA flight. As you said FlyteComm doesn't have an aircraft type. I found the flight at FlightArrivals.com as well, and they didn't have aircraft type either. FlyteComm does have the flight coming in again tomorrow.

KHA is no longer part of Kalitta. Kalitta Air is a separate airline, ICAO code CKS, and their 747s come into HNL pretty often.

David / MRY
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Wed Jan 14, 2004 3:13 pm

Didn't see any 727s around 1425 - 1430 today. Though at 1420 I saw two EA-6B "Prowlers" on final for 26L, while in downtown. Also, a bunch of HANG F-15s doing overheads.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:46 pm

Looks like the konas will continue to blow even stronger! (It will probably end when the weekend comes).

Speaking of B727s, what happened to the pair of Asia Pacific Airlines B727s? They were based here and flew to Pacific islands for mail runs.

I have also seen a Mandarin Airlines B747SP many years ago. Never seen the CI B742s in HNL before.

Delta operated an evening flight (I believe it is DL317) with a B763 at one point. It has switched back to a B764 though. Too bad I don't have any nice photos of it.

Lagoon Drive is open once again (for quite a while actually).

Looks like there is nothing special today. Hopefully when it comes the weekend, there will be a delivery flight.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:48 pm

The Asia Pacific 727s arrive and depart before the roosters crow according to their website:

http://www.flyapa.com

Yup, miss seeing those white and green 72FWs. They are actually based in Guam.



CI 742s ... way back in the day. They were phased out of the HNL-Taipei route when the 744s became available. I think I may have a 742 off of 8R in the current colors, but I couldn't get a tight shot of it. I think the Mandarin 747SP is long gone. They also used to fly MD-11s into HNL. Is Mandarin still around? It's been a while since I've seen them @ HNL.

Thanks for the heads up about Lagoon Drive, will have to check it out.  Smile
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:01 am

Checked FC, KHA835 is again scheduled for 1422 HST ETA. Also checked the KHA website:

http://www.khcargo.com

It was rather vague about service for HNL, but they do serve here. There fleet is exclusively 727-200Fs. Are they sharing the same facilities as Kalitta down by UPS and FedEx?



Also on FC: PAO362. Polynesian Ailrlines scheduled for a 2044 HST arrival. No aircraft listed, but I believe they fly 738s with winglets.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:40 am

Je89W

Thanks for the heads up about Lagoon Drive. 1st time out there since Sept. With today's weather, visibility sucked. Last check out my apt. window, couldn't see HNL (big rain).



Got to see a UA 772 depart 22L around 0930, kicked up a lot of dirt, and spewing some smoke, when it was throttling down 22L, and after it rotated.

There are quite a few private jets: G-IVs, G-Vs, Citations, Falcons, ... most probably here for the Sony Open Golf Tournament.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:24 pm

Je98_w wrote:
Delta operated an evening flight (I believe it is DL317) with a B763 at one point. It has switched back to a B764 though.

That was the Atlanta flight.

David / MRY
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:37 pm

As far as spotters go, Bluewave 707 and his friend could be the "original" spotters on here from HNL. I can just imagine the rarities they have seen over the years.

That bicentennial ONA must rank right up there!


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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:31 pm

Thought they Asia Pacific Airlines was based in HNL, because one of the pilots contacted me (from one of my photos), told me the info. Then again, that was a while back.

Bluewave707, you must have some pretty rare stuff! Try posting them at http://www.myaviation.net/. It is exactly like Airlines.net, but no rejections. I'd love to see your older HNL photos.

All the Pacific island airliners seem to come in at night . . . same thing goes with Royal Tongan Airlines, Qantas, and Air New Zealand. Surprised Air Tahiti Nui doesn't fly to HNL.

Did you bring your camera to Lagoon drive? The weather was pretty bad, I must say. Hopefully the weather will clear during the weekends. If it is kona winds on Saturday morning, I'll be there (hopefully).
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:02 pm

Well I know one unusual QF 743 that will be arriving at HNL in a couple days. What will make it unusual is that I'll be aboard!  Big grin
I'll keep a look out for interesting aircraft at HNL while I'm there, and hopefully tell you guys about it soon if I see any.

-Q
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:10 pm

On the QF 743 post, I flew HNL-SYD-HNL on Qantas (flight 2/3 I think?) in the summer and was surprised by the loadfactors. It wasn't that full. On th outbound leg, it was 743, but inbound a 763. What aircraft do they operate now?

Aq737
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:08 pm

Wow lot's of posts!  Big grin Will try Lagoon Drive (LD) again, weather & time permitting.

News: A Miami Air 738 is @ HNL. It arrived @ 2115 HST, with the flight# BSK565. According to FC, the flight routing was MIA - ONT - HNL. I checked the ehawaiigov.org website for departure info for tomorrow, but nothing. If any of you guys check out LD, let the rest of us know. I have a feeling it's parked on that side of HNL



C_R:

You are right! My friend & I have seen a lot over the years @ HNL, and many more to come.
The ONA DC-8 was definitely a blast from the past! That's what you call a flag carrier.



Q330:

I checked FC, they said that QF 3 is a 743 tonight (Aq737 is correct). There was no mention of QF 4, which is the return flight. Maybe those guys got the night off. The routing is SYD - HNL - YVR.



Je89W:

I will try that link in a day or so, and post a couple of shots to try out. Thanks for the heads up. I'm busy working on my business, and this week is hectic.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:32 am

The Miami Air 738 is parked at the very end of the Diamond Head concourse. A building further down obstructs total view of the BSK 738, but the stripes on the tail are a giveaway.


It was stated in both HNL newspapers that 9 departing flights were delayed for up to 30 minutes, and 8 inbound flights were diverted to other airports in Hawaii due to the high winds we had yesterday. Gusts up to 45 mph were recorded @ HNL.

As a side note, a co-worker told me he saw an AQ 732 struggle through its final approach to 26R. He said that due to the crosswinds, the jet was listing side-to-side as it crossed over Keehi Lagoon.

Thank God the weather has cleared up today!
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Fri Jan 16, 2004 8:24 am

A Qantas 767-200 was ferried into HNL today. It was most likely going to the desert since it taxied straight to the hard stands. Plus the tail was completely painted red. I was unable to make out the registration. Also, there was an ANA 747-400 (JA8094) at Gate 31. Sorry, no camera today, but wish I had it.

Also, 8L has been closed for most of the day moving all departures to the Reef Runway and arrivals to 4R. I saw crews working on 8L, most likely due to yesterday's weather.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Fri Jan 16, 2004 9:47 am

Over 6 F/A-18s just arrived @ HNL. I saw 6 do overhead breaks, while on my lunch break @ home. Must have some kind of exercise going on.
 
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Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:14 am

You should have seen a Saab 340B pass through today on its way to Australia for REX.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:00 pm

*Droolz* Bummer, I guess things like coming and going during the week. I just wished I could rewind, pause, go out to airport, photograph what I need, go back home, and fast foward. In my dreams!  Big grin

Miami Air used to park in front of Airservice Hawaii. Came to HNL for prison transport or something.

Back in 2000, I caught a QF B742 taxiing right in front of the parking lot at Lagoon Drive. The photo is not good enough to get into A.net, so I'll send it to Myaviation.net. (Photographed with a disposable camera). The QF B762 sounds really rare, but I would have to miss it.  Sad Looks like they are leaving the QF fleet fast.

One rainy day last in March 2003, saw 2 go-arounds. One was a JALways B743, and the other an AQ B732.

Okay I don't know if I'm right, but I was told the winds were up to 85 mph yesterday, at the windward side of the island. It was responsible for several house roofs being blown off, coconut trees (very strong trees) being toppled over, and many power outages.
 
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Saab

Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:59 pm

The Saabs parked out on the South ramp. Kitty corner to Anderson aviation.

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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:35 pm

Is a shot of the SF340 possible from the Anderson parking lot? Do you know when it's scheduled to depart?

The Miami 738 has left. Is the ex-QF 762 still @ the north ramp?

FC reports nothing rare for tomorrow.
 
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Sat Jan 17, 2004 6:52 am

Blue-

Yes, a good shot is possible. Its parked about 50 feet from the chain link fence. But you'll have to hurry. I believe its leaving for Guam today(Friday) at 1300 HST.

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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:02 am

Well I'm glad to hear the Saab made it to HNL....That is a long leg for them. They started out in Nashville, flew to Long Beach, then off to Honolulu..Fiji and finishing off in Auckland, AUS.
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sat Jan 17, 2004 8:13 am

If the following information from the following thread is correct, the QF 762 I saw yesterday morning was VH-EAL.

https://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1352932/
 
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RE: HNL Rarities ...

Sat Jan 17, 2004 8:54 am

Got a couple of pix of the REX Saab 340 (N358RE) out @ Bradley Aviation, around 1200 HST. Yes, it was getting ready to leave. They had the starboard overwing exit open, would they fuel tanks in the pax compartment for the long segments it's flying?

Lots of military traffic with F-15s, KC-135s, and EA-6Bs arriving.

All the heavies were at their gates, nothing left.

Air traffic are on Kona's.
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