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Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:32 pm

In addition to the post asking about your favorite airline that is out of business, what was the WORST airline?

My winner is Tower Air.
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:34 pm

I'll put down another vote for Tower Air.
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:38 pm

How about Air South?  Laugh out loud

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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:46 pm

Jet America or Muse Air


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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:49 pm

what was wrong with jet america, i have old timetables from them, but never flew them at all
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:53 pm

Air Afrique,

flew with them once..absolutely the worst flight i ever took..not sad to see them go...non existant customer service, dirty planes, nasty f/a's.
for europe..SABENA was a pretty bad airline too..at least from a customer service standanpoint.

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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:26 pm

How about Air South?

WV wasn't THAT bad, Stuart, as far as LCC concepts went. The problem was the management in the form of John Tague, who as we all know is now with Ted. WV did some smart moves, such as code-sharing with Kiwi and offering things such as "Fly 2 get 1 free" deals to promote loyalty among first-time customers. The problem was Tague's rob Peter to pay Paul style of management. The hub was right here in CAE (probably the first and only time in its history it's been a passenger hub) so if Tague didn't have enough to cover the cost of landing fees here, he'd not pay all or part of landing fees to another city, say CHS, with the promise that he'd pay later with a premium attached to it. So next time the bills were due, in order to pay CHS he'd give a partial payment to CAE and stiff GSP instead and make GSP the same promise he had made CHS. The airports soon figured this out and that didn't exactly enamor WV to new airports. So Tague then got the brilliant idea of outright cancelling flights at the last minute to save operating costs to pay landing fees and for gate spaces and what not. This in turn led to pissed-off passengers who were indefinitely stranded until Tague either A) Chartered a bus to take them to their destination or B) Tague OKd the reinstitution of the flight. So, fans of Ted, this is what you get to look forward to in the management of your airline!

At any rate, I digressed in my defense of Khaki Blue. Although I've never personally flown it, from what I hear, Tower was by all accounts a flying time bomb with some of the most worn out 747s in the aviation industry. I'll pick Tower.
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:51 pm

Well the worst I know about was Zambia Airlines, Air Afrique

Sabena wasnt that bad, it was decent once upon a time, I used to fly it to Luanda but yes things did dramatically change once Swiss acquired it.

Around Europe I personally did not like British Caledonian ( I was a kid at that time)
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:01 pm

My vote goes to Tower Air also, the airline that had an accident/incident rate 6x worse than ValuJet, the highest near-miss rate in a study of LCC conducted by the FAA, and the most downright ugly, stuffy, and cramped planes (ok, this last part is completely subjective...)
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:16 pm

My vote goes to Air Club International, who barely made it through 3 years of operation. Probally due to the maintenance delays that lasted days not hours or from the rats living in the baggage pits.


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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:13 am

From my experience, LAP - Lineas Aereas Paraguayas was one of the worse experiences of all times back in the early 80s, and more recently, TransBrasil


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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:20 am

my vote goes to Court line

 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:33 am

I'd have to say LAP - Paraguay and Pan Am, they were pretty dismal in their final days.

I flew Transbrasil only a few times, but had a excellent flight every single time. The best inflight meal I've ever had was on a Transbrasil flight from Rio (GIG) to Orlando (MCO).

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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:52 am

Hands down, TAESA was definitely one of the worst and I'm glad its no longer with us.


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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:16 am

Ramprat74 mentions Muse Air, but my one and only experience with them was HOU-MSY in 1984 to the troubled New Orleans World Fair. IMO a nice flight. Also my first time in an MD80. I distinctly remember sitting near the front of what I then considered the flying pipe (considering the long, slender fuselage), painted bright yellow with cursive titles painted on (again, kinda innovative for that time), and when the engines spooled up for takeoff, I could barely hear them. A nice experience overall, but then WN was perhaps smart and forward-thinking to buy them.
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:19 am

Spantax maybe? I never flew on them but my parents told me "funny" stories about this airline.

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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:27 am


  • Arrow Air

  • Tower Air

 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:34 am

Anyone say Flying Colours and I'll hunt you down like a dog  Smile FCL were smashing and very innovative, such a shame. (Didn't go down but were replaced by Thomas Sm*gging Cook.

Anywho, I think it would be Tower Air that gets my vote, I have never flown them but had seen pictures and heard many reports from friends and off the interntet. Weren't most of their fleet ex PA complete with genuine PA carts?

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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:37 am

 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:38 am

Another Vote For Tower Air  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Big grin


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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:04 am

Flying Colours, even though I used to work for JMC and hated them I know what you mean. FCL were excellent for time keeping and usage of the newest aircraft going. The worst airline, with the slight connection to them, was Peach Air, did any of their flight leave on time during their one-year operation? It could have only been a production of CKT really. Even they were pretty, bad. When CKT operated the flight from GLA-NCL-GOI about 6 years ago, that was constantly 24 hours delayed.
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:11 am

Has to be Flying Colours - just awful!

Hehehe... joking, dont hunt me down  Big thumbs up. Booked a holiday with an FCL flight in late 1999, but by the time the holiday came, the green revolution had occured!

I imagine many passengers in Scotland dont much miss Electra.... although they are now Air Greece....
 
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TranStar

Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:17 am

but then WN was perhaps smart and forward-thinking to buy them.

Only in an effort to protect DAL and HOU from CO, which was looking to set up shop there.
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:18 am

Debonair: non-existent customer service, hiddeously painted aircraft, very vulgar FAs, terrible catering, ridiculous routes (Munich-Moenchengladbach-Luton). I had a return ticket, but during the stop at MGL I called LH to book a return flight with them from BHX to MUC, even if that meant changing in FRA.
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:19 am

I heard bad things about Tower Air but never flew them.

There are very few defunct airlines that I'm glad to see gone. But I guess I'll vote for Tower Air since I cant think of any others.  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:29 am

How about Nationair?

Nationair was a Canadian charter airline with a reputation for badly maintained planes and ludicrous management problems. One of its DC-8s crashed in Jeddah in 1991, killing all 261 aboard.


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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:34 am


How about Eastwind? I never flew 'em, but I recall reading some real horror
stories about them.


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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 4:36 am

And the winner for the "Worst Airline That Ceased Operations" award goes to ... Tower Air!!!

Ah yes, Tower Air. Tower Air with the most popular destinations thoughout Europe, the US and the Caribbean. It has been named the #1 US carrier troughout its time of operation for "on-time departures" and the most "warmest and plentiful" meals in the aviation industry.

"Come, come fly with us. With Tower Air, but you are going to have to wait a while."
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:03 am

Topic Title: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:16 am

Yeah, Tower Air it is. No doubt about it. https://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1346342/6/


 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:27 am

Pan Am


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Their in-cabin service was terrible, flights were usually delayed and there was no excuse for Pan Am Flight 103.

TWA


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One of their flights was delayed by FIVE hours.
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:40 am

Nationair Canada and every trace of its existence should be wiped off the face of the planet (But of course, NOT the memory of the crew of the Jeddah crash). Robert Obadia is a F*****G toilet who should be behind bloody bars for his F*****g negligence and scum encrusted business/safety policies & procedures that led to his MURDERING (yeah, murder, not manslaughter) the pax and crew in Jeddah. As a matter fo fact, I'd like to see ALL Nationair photos deleted from this site. ROT IN FUCKING HELL, OBADIA.
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:42 am

Airways6max: Pan Am and TWA? I quite disagree. Laugh out loud Pan Am and TWA established the U.S. global network. I have to go for Eastern on this one. TWA was my favorite airline: they offered cheap prices for their tickets for years. Anyone remember the WHEAL club? I heard Eastern was horrible. They never did make the right choices for aircraft, especially the L-1011 over the DC-10. They never even had the money to upgrade their L-1011s to fly them to South America. They had to acquire the DC-10 from other airlines for that sort of work. (Frank Lorenzo was no big help either.) I don't know enough about Tower Air to agree with the majority of you.
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:46 am

Flew PE once EWR-CMH. It was and always will be the worst flight I ever took.


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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:50 am

National Airlines- the 90's Las Vegas one, they were very shady!


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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:13 am

To all:

PeopleExpress...the worst:

planes
service
facilities
business model

the concept was there but the timing, planning & execution were not.
I shudder to think of those flights now.

They were no Southwest.

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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 9:40 am

I am with GarnettPalmetto in defense of Air South. Air South was a wonderful airline, just a horrible CEO. That was my first aviation job. I always thought the colors were beautiful(khaki/blue) and the name Air South just had a nice ring to it, IMO. Given the fact that I think the 732 is one of the most beautiful planes ever built helped me love that airline. I don't ever remember seeing a sad face on that airline, until the day we lost our jobs. But I still love that airline, even though they still owe me $600 in training pay that I will never see. KhakiBlue was a wonderful carrier though, it just didn't have the cash flow like its mentor, Southwest.

I would have to vote for Tower Air to be the worst as well. Milemaster has just been added to my list of respected users all because of those cabin pictures he placed. FUNNY!!! I am surprised Tower could afford the cost of being featured on the Jim Carrey movie, "Liar, Liar." Don't most airlines have to pay for that kind of advertising.
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 9:56 am

I do not think National of the 90's was that bad. I flew them PHL-LAS in March of 2001. The tickets were much less $$$ than USAirways even though PHL is their hub. The FA's were hot too. Cool paint scheme. Oh wait now I remember we hit a 727's wake over the Rockies, everyone screamed. Then on the way back our flight was delayed because we had no plane, then when it came into LAS there was no replacement crew. Instead of leaving at 4:30pm we left LAS at 9:30. I had 1st class on the way home and they were short on meals so I had to take the fish. I was flying with my grandfather and although he wouldnt eat the fish he could not believe all the free drinks you could get in first. Oh and the FA's were hot. But I already said that.
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 10:12 am

I'm going to have to go with People Express.
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:02 am

Short lived Pacific East Air.
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:21 pm

The Eastern DC-10-30s were acquired for the MIA-LGW route. Something that was short lived. Their L1011s were perfect for their domestic and Latin markets.
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:44 pm

Viasa and AeroPeru both left a lot to be desired. On the other hand I had some pleasant flights on Ecuatoriana de Aviacion's 707's.

Some of th best flights? Pan Am and Braniff (Latin America). Some of the worse flights: Pan Am and Braniff (Latin America). I supposed this gives these two an average rating!
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 1:49 pm

Another PEOPLExpress vote.
Also have to give one to Pacific Express (VB) from '82-'84. Very lousy run operation. Who needs jets to Klamath Falls,OR?
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:37 pm

Milemaster: I thought I was going to die laughing when I read that Tower Air thread. You are the first person to get on my respected users list through sheer sarcasm.
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:55 pm

Airways6max- That picture you posted of the TWA L1011, what happened to that aircraft in that picture? Did it crash or did it just burn from something other then a crash?
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:55 pm

This might be not the fairest of examples:

Air21

2 weeks before they went out, I flew from LAs-FAT and the F/A's just stayed in their seats. Could've cared less about us paying passengers..
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 3:16 pm

I'm glad no one has mentioned the only defunct carrier I've ever flown on:

Vanguard.

And if anyone does, I'll teach you how Edward II died!

However, of all airlines I have flown, I hate NW the most...
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:27 pm

Of the International carriers I've flown on I would say Canadian..... would like to say UA or NW but they are still around  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:53 pm

Matt_D...further to your comments...

Buying Muse also go them the gate space at HOU and DAL to expand. While not critical at DAL....HOU at the time was at capacity with CO also running services from that location.

All in all..it was a smart move to eliminate a competitor---barely a hiccup in the balance sheet...and basically no effect on the income statement.
 
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RE: Worst Airline That Ceased Operation

Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:06 am

Airways6max,
(TWA) One of their flights was delayed FIVE hours. I would wager that right now, a major airline is having a five hour delay somewhere in the world. Does that then qualify that airline for the title until the next delay of FIVE hours.

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