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Iberia Interested At The 717?

Mon Jan 19, 2004 11:50 pm

Since Boeing sees Iberia as a potential 717-200/300 operator, there are continuing rumors that Iberia is seriously looking at the 717. What do you think about it? Has anyone more and deeper information on this? Thanks
 
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:10 am

I don't have any information, but I believe it would be a good fit, although they have A319s already, so they might not go for the -300, but the -200 would fit well. There is also another 717 user in Spain, Spanair, and I believe that they might make agreements to share parts or have some sort of support between them, you never know! Stranger things have happened! Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:23 am


Chris,

Remember that the A319 fleet is currently is only operating in Latin America, out of the MIA hub.

So, from thaht specific perspective, the 717 seem even more feasible.

Although you'd obviously had to look how much time will the MD-87 remain in the fleet, as the 717 will be eventually their replacement.



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RE: Your Airport's Longhaul Flights

Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:43 am

I would love Iberia to go for the 717....I don't think the -200s would be good replacements for the MD-80s though, they might need the 717-300 if it happens.
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:54 am

Not likely.

EMB is very keen to get a decent European order before FD resumes full scale development.
I'd say they have a much more marketable product.

The 717's future is more likely tied to what NW may do with fleet renewal.
 
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:55 am

The -300 is not intended as an MD-80 replacement. It could replace MD-87s, but not full-sized MD-80s. The 73G and 738 are more closesly aligned to replace the MD-80 (and by extension, the A320).

I know Iberia operates both types, and also operates A319s. It is possible they could go for the Airbus models. I hope not, but I'm not as optimistic as I once was for the 717.
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:58 am

I think IB will stick to Airbus and when time comes, change MDs with A320 family
 
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:01 am

Spain is inherently tied to Airbus through EADS Spain....and EMB is tied through minority interest with Airbus.

I'm not sure Boeing would even have a change (particularly after the scathing remarks made after the 340-600 decision).
 
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:11 am

The reason why the're phasing out almost new 757 is because they want to have all A fleet. Therefore no way 717. They'r rather boy more 319s or consider 318s.
 
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:30 am

Danny:

That's too bad. IB has been a Douglas operator for many years (and by extension, MDD and Boeing). It will be a sad day when IB no longer operates any Douglas-legacy models.
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:46 am

Dont forget that BA are a sharholder of IB, who are moving to an all Airbus shorthaul fleet.

rumours of a much stronger IB / BA alliance are out there, so IB may have cost savings by opting for the A32X series.
 
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:49 am

Hmmm, a new type for Iberia? The 747s are being phased out, and the 757 still has a few years of flying.
I'd rather see them ordering something smaller like the CRJ 700/900 or the new Embraers.
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:01 am

Iberia is not focusing on a all Airbus fleet according to a report in a spanisch aviation magazine from 2003.
 
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:23 am

717fan,

Any sources where this continuing rumours come from? Or are you the source? You seam to come up quiet often with 'rumours' about potential 717 customers, yet none of these rumours have actually come to fruitation.

As for Iberia, they are probaply the most unlikely airline out there to purchase new Boeing aircraft in the near future. For obvious reasons.
 
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:35 am

Iberia is not phasing out any 757s in the near future.They are performing very well in their network.It would be a very big surprise if the 717 would lure any more customers in Europe.Btw where did the announcement from the Star Alliance about their intentions to acquire new jets together?? Only Air Canada opened their mouth so far.
 
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:56 am

I would love to see some 717s here at MAD.

A whole Airbus fleet is boring.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:48 am

717fan:

I can tell you straight out that Iberia has not shown any interest in the 717 nor has any plans to replace the MD 87/88 fleet at this time.

As other posters have mentioned, if anything, the A320 family would be looked at to replace the MD fleet.

CFM-56:

Once the rest of the A321's on order start coming in(between 2004-2006) expect to see the B757's returned to Boeing.
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:54 am

Lugonza_2001 I would love to see some 717s here at MAD.
A whole Airbus fleet is boring.


Would be good to see 'em at YUL as well (NW the likeliest candidate to bring 'em to the airport) and yeah it is quite monotonous and homogenised these days, with so many fewer plane types flying around than was the case even just a few years ago.
 
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 7:15 am

Well if Boeing didn't snap up McDonnell Douglas...
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 9:24 am

Manni, the rumours come from AvionRevue, and my contacts at Boeing LongBeach, also FlightInternational has Iberia outlined as a potential customer for the 717 last year. So, non of the rumors are from myself!!
 
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:02 am

I think IB could replace the MD-87's for 717 or A-318/319,but not for the moment.The oldest IB's MD-87 is not a old plane.
Maybe Air Nostrum-IB regional could to buy the 717-200 for regional routes,like
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:45 am

Well if Boeing didn't snap up McDonnell Douglas...

MDD would have declared bankruptcy and there would be *no* MD-95-30/717-200.

I think IB could replace the MD-87's for 717 or A-318/319,but not for the moment.The oldest IB's MD-87 is not a old plane.

Actually, the latter part of that statement pretty much says it all: The MD-87 is not an old plane, and IB has mostly newer-build MD-80s... So the likelihood of either A or B replacing it in the near term is quite low.

Still hoping the 717 will find a customer, but as I've said before, I'm less and less optimistic...
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:51 pm

I think it's necessary to wait a few years.There are many airlines for the 717's market.If Boeing can to sell this aircrafts no very expensive and like an cheaper option with regard 737,this plane could be a success in sales.In addiction,is the natural replacement for the MD-87.Anyway,the world market is a little "frozen" still.
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 3:11 pm

There are many airlines for the 717's market

Yeah sure, if there weren't such strong competitors coming online all the time.

If the 737 didn't exist and the 717 was part of a family.

etc.....

The 717 is as dead as the 757. A year ago, I didn't want to believe it, but I think the handwriting is on the wall.
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 3:44 pm

The 320 didn't had a very happy start...and now is a success.I can repeat again: It's necessary to wait...and see.
Spanair operates here,in Spain the 717's.And they are very happy with it
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RE: Iberia Interested At The 717?

Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:14 pm

'Iberia is not phasing out any 757s in the near future'

Wrong, two have already gone. The Iberia staff magazine late last year outlined the 'Plan Director' - all Airbus is what they want, so there is very, very little chance of the 717 making its way in to the Iberia fleet. I thought that it was clear that Iberia's priority is to get rid of the 757s and 747s, as they have previously announced? They say that they want them gone before the older MD fleet, according to Iberiavion.

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