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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:40 am


Wimpy,

Yes, Avianca has 1 daily flight from BOG to Pasto, the only difference with Inter, is that AV's flight 9293 BOG-PSO is nonstop, unlike Inter's routing which goes through CLO.

Avianca also offers 2 daily flights between CLO and PSO, both of the operated by F-50s too.


Between BOG and CLO, AV has almost 17 daily flights operated on a mix of MD-83, 757 and sometimes 767.


Hope this helps.


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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:49 am

Hi SOUTHAMERICA

Thank you for correcting me. Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact that Aces still had a strong presence in Medellin area when combining both.

I still don't see which is the extensive network Aces expanded so fast. They were flying internationally to Miami, San Juan, Costa Rica (which eventually was cancel after the visa requirement imposed to Colombians) since many years before the crisis. Afterwards I think they added another destination in South America (don't remember which)... Am I missing another one??

The network didn't kill Aces. Aces was a successful airline. Since I can remember Avianca is always losing money. I've never heard Aces complaining. Then one day Posada joins Julio Mario and everybody is stunned hear him saying Aces has been a financial crap all along. Please, I don't believe him for a second.

Before that so called Summa alliance, Aces was the second airline in the country as far as market share and the first in quality. How is it that, even, with all Aces experience, prestige, solid position, turns out that an airline like Aerorepublica is making money and Aces is bleeding red ink?

I'm not saying Aerorepublica doesn't deserve success. I say if Aerorepublica has been succeeding, Aces should have been succeeding even more.
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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:49 am

hola SOUTHAMERICA,

thanks for the info on AeroRepublica!
It's nice to hear that they going strong! Next timei'm in Colombia I must fly with them.
Do they also fly from PEI to ADZ??
Last year when I was in PEI for my flight to BOG on AV md-83... I saw their md-81 waiting for pax.

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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:01 am

Hola Willem

I know that Sam has two daily flights from Cali to Pasto with F50s but I am almost sure they do not fly those planes BOG-CLO. On the BOG-CLO route AV operate MD83s and eventually a 757. Ohh, I have just seen that Fede won me and replied first, jejeje. I have not seen yet the Aerocontinente 767 so I can't tell you if it is parked on gate C%, I had seen the 727 parked on gates C1 and C3 but never on C5.

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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:08 am

SOUTHAMERICA

gracias

"Avianca also offers 2 daily flights between CLO and PSO, both of the operated by F-50s too."

thats the info where i'm asking for. These F-50's.... before the go to PSO...they arrive from BOG, or do they only do the CLO-PSO-CLO route?
I was wondering because when I came from BOG on a F50..The next flight to PSO was on a F50.... and at that moment there was only one F50.
It also can be a F50 in SAM colors like in this pic
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I think... correct me if i'm wrong


what an airbridge between BOG and CLO!!!!!!!!!! I only flew this route with md83 and F50's. What about the 757'or 767's that would be great! do they have the same flight time??
thanks again
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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:04 am

Hola Juan

yes Fede is very quick and with alot of info also!!!
The last 3 year took some pics at El dorado and yes your right, I have a pic with Aerocontinente on C3 and always thought that c3 was their parkig lot!
But this pic shows us that Aerocontinente sometimes uses c5
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Looking to this pic... i think that c1 and c3 can't handle a b767... or am i wrong..everytime I leave Colombia and i'm at the international gate...i always see only md83's or b727's on gates c1 and 3
From c5 i always see some 767's of av!
by the way cooool pics of el dorado.... taken from the tower....

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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:57 am

Hola Willem!

Well, On gate C1 I almost always see AV-MD83s, 5 years ago I saw there a SAM RJ100 but those are gone; on gate C3 I've seen Copa's 737, MD83s and 727s. I think gates C1 and C3 can't handle a B767 but that is just an opinion, I do not have actual facts about it, anyway, I have never seen one there. On Gate C5 I often see a DL757 and AV767-757, I know that gate C7 can handle widebodies as I have seen there BA777 and IB343.

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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:14 am

Hey all, just a quick question.

Looking at the pics, I saw the VX 727 at CLO. I thought they had retired them earlier, when did VX retire their 72s? 'Cause I thought they did retire them before or during the start of Summa.

Juanr,

Does Sam not fly the rj100s anymore? When did they retire them?

Thanks!

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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:24 am


Komododx,


SAM retired the RJ-100s several years ago, around the year 1998. Currently, SAM flies a fleet of 2 MD-83s and 4 or 5 F-50s, all on behalf of Avianca; I mean, if you fly on SAM is the same thing as if you fly on Avianca in any route.

SAM covers some specific destinations and routes like: BOG-ADZ, BOG-CUC(Cucuta), BOG-SMR(Santa Marta), BOG-BGA, MDE-CLO, MDE-SMR and MDE-BAQ.


ACES retired the last 727 in 2001, almost 4 months after Summa Alliance was created. The last 727-200 to be retired was HK-3536.

When Summa was created, ACES had already began its process of retiring the 727s in favor of the new A320s that were arriving. Nontheless, the remaining 727s got painted in Summa colors before they were scrapped out.

When Summa was created, ACES had like 2 or 3 727s that were mainly used in domestic routes from BOG, until they went out of the fleet.


Hope this helps.


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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:28 am

Yes, I had the chance to fly on a SAM Rj100 on my senior trip from ADZ to CTG in june 1996, it was a good plane, however, a few weeks later I remember I saw about 3 of them parked at Avianca's hangar in BOG without engines so perhaps they had a huge problem with them and were retired.

About Aces 727 all I can say is that despite being old planes they were awesome and were in great shape, I flew on board one of them from BOG-SJU and then SJU-Santo Domingo-BOG in december 1996 and january 1997 and it was a very good experience.

Juan
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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:09 pm

Thanks Southa and Juan.

Yeah I remember my first flight in a VX 727 was BOG-CTG. Awesome flight, awesome crew, awesome airline.

I also recall flying BOG-AUA-CUR I believe it was in '97 or '98 on an RJ100. Nice plane, although on the way back we were stranded in CUR for "mechanical probs" for a whole day. I dunno, but I had the feeling that there weren't enought pax. I still got to stay at the old Hilton Curacao (Now Curacao Casino Hotel or so)

Anyway, thanks for the info!

Anyone heard more news on AV? didn't they give them their 5th extention? I also read that AV is really looking for a buyer, rather than just an investor.

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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:49 pm

AV has got another 60 days to workout their future plans.

did anybody knew that not only CO, Taca and LanChile were the only candidatas to buy AV, but also 3 other companies.
- texas pacific group
- efrmovich
- one company from brazil

here are som links;
http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/hist_imp/HISTORICO_IMPRESO/econ_hist/2004-02-10/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR_HIST-1505337.html
http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/hist_imp/HISTORICO_IMPRESO/econ_hist/2004-02-11/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR_HIST-1506689.html
http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/economia/10defebrerode2004/ARTICULO-WEB-_NOTA_INTERIOR-1506744.html

another question
Does anybody knows the reg nr of the AV B757 stored as seen in this pic;
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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:04 am

I have a question. Is Catan military airport another "airport" in Bogota or is just a military facility within El Dorado airport?

I always thought it was another airport, but this picture makes me think otherwise
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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:05 am

As far as I know it is just a military apron within ElDorado. There is a FAC (Colombian Air Force) base southwest of ElDorado in Madrid.

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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:56 am


Juan,

Yes, you're right. SAM's RJ-100s were not retired because they wanted to, they were retired due to serious engine problems.

When SAM had the RJ-100s, although they already flew on behalf of Avianca, their network was much bigger than what it is today. They flew internationally to several places like AUA, UIO, CCS and PTY.

Now SAM is just another domestic-only carrier still flying, as I've said before, on behalf of Avianca with the same planes and paintscheme.


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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:06 am

B752,



In reply #11 you wrote:


So how AeroRepublica going to do if their A/C have Colombian Registration, and I believe that Colombia is CAT2. (they cant fly to the US.)


Now, look at this pic taken recently in BOG:



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Its reg, as you can see, is VP-BGI, so not all of them are in colombian registrations.

I believe that only the MD-81s are the ones with the HK-XXXX reg. The rest of the fleet has foreign ones.

And, precisely the MD-83s are the ones that are going to be used to the eventual international routes.


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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:53 am

SoAmSky, "Catam Airport" is in fact the military apron of BOG, so in fact it is not a different airport, military planes uses both runways at BOG as any other commercial plane. It is true that in Madrid/Cundinamarca there is an air force base, however I would say from what I have seen that BOG has more military movement than Madrid Air Base.

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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:44 am


Today I have found this article in Colombian newspaper "El Tiempo" I will try to translate it (not the whole article)


http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/hist_imp/HISTORICO_IMPRESO/econ_hist/2004-02-16/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR_HIST-1511165.html

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Airlines; march hearing will decide new politics
Five Foreign Airlines Want To Land In Colombia

If Universal and Estelar do not accelarate their flying process some of their routes will be re-assign to other operators. Fenix is ready for take off.

This year the air market will heat on not only with the sale of Avianca to a foreign operator but also with the entrance of five foreing airlines that are requesting take off clearance.

Europe is on fashion and europeans companies are the most advanced. Spanish company "Air Madrid" wants the Madrid-Bogota-Cartagena-Madrid route. Air Europa bets to travel Madrid-Cartagena-Madrid.

Another airline that is moving on the process is Aerolineas Argentinas who wants to compite with Avianca on the Bogota-Buenos Aires-Bogota route.

Air Canada is also in the row to land on Colombian airfields they want to take passengers to/from Bogota and Toronto three times in a week.

Finally the requests ends with LanPeru, LanChile's partner, to fly Lima-Bogotá-Caracas and Lima-Quito-Bogota.

These five companies are in the row before the Civil Aeronautic Authority. The main requirement for their processes are the bilteral agreements between the Aeronautic authorities of Colombia and the countries they are from.

In the European case the issue is far advanced, but with Argentina, the agreement will only be reviewed by the end of february. Aerolineas Argentinas asked for 14 frecuencies, right now, Avianca has 6, that means that the number of flights will be encreased and divided by 2.

With Canada there is no agreement and with LanPeru the issue has to be with the use of leased planes with crew.

After having completed the request process at the Civil Aeronautic Authority, the five airlines had to go through a hearing scheduled to take place by the end of march........

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I have not heard about Air Canada's intentions to fly to Colombia, that is new, I do not know if the route is profitable, I really don't think there is not enogh demand, however, if they are asking for it there should be a reason. It is great to see that there is a lot of interest in Colombia, I just hope Avianca will remain. (And also hope that BA starts non-stop flights with B777)

By the way, which plane do you think Air Canada will use on that Bogota-Toronto route?

Greetings from Bogota

Juan
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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:53 am

Hey Juan.

You'd be surprised at the number of Colombians living in Toronto and Montreal. I knew a lot of Colombians in Montreal in the six months that I lived there, and had many other friends living in Toronto. As a matter of fact, it is easier for Colombians to get residence in Canada than it is in the USA, so the Colombian population is growing in Canada.

I would figure AC using 767s on the route, but as it stated in the article, which by the way I posted in another thread so more people from diff. countries can participate, there has not yet been a bilateral agreement.

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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:06 am

Hi KdX, yes, I know a lot of Colombians that went to live in Canada too, it surprised me a little beacuse of my own experience trying to fly to Canada; I already had a US Visa (B1/B2) with multiple entries and be in the US many times so when I requested a Canadian Tourism visa I thought that I would get it but wrong, it was denied, and it is not an isolated case, there are a lot of complaints at the Colombian Cancilleria about this matter (the applications fees are extremely expensive and they give you no reasons for the denial) also, I do not think that a lot of Canadians are travelling to Colombia. I would say that it would be better for Air Canada if they decide to code-share in this route.

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RE: AeroRepublica Colombia And Others In 2004

Tue Feb 17, 2004 3:14 am

Juan,

I'm surprised about your experience with Immigration in Canada. I remember I had a friend in Toronto, and she had family in Miami, and I asked her why Toronto and not Miami? And she told me Immigration to get residence papers was much easier, and took less time than in the USA.

Maybe things have changed now?

Otherwise, with tougher Immigration requirements for Colombians in Canada, I could not see how a YYZ-BOG route could be profitable.

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