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TURBOJETMAN
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18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:12 am

United has come a long way since they initially started ORD-SEA/PDX-NRT and JFK-SEA-HKG services back in April 1983. Today marks the 18th anniversary of their acquisition of Pan Am's Pacific division for almost $900 Million. The transformation of the Pacific division over the past two decades has been remarkable. Happy 18th United!
 
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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:22 am

Back then, UAL was known as the "sleeping giant" and I think they had a total of 18 747s, maybe 19. Then the PA deal was initiated.
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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:21 am

It was the biggest mistake Pan Am ever made.
 
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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:48 am

Tens of thousands of US airline careers were trashed by the domino effect of that single event. It was the match that started the firestorm of merger mania.
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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:52 am

dont forget today is jetblue's 4th birthday!!
 
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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:03 am

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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:06 am

Interesting. Pan Am was losing money when it sold that division to United. Now United is operating that division and now it is losing money. Maybe in another 18 years, we'll be marking the anniversary of some other airline's acquisition of United's Pacific division.
 
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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:07 am

So what did the Pacific network look like immediately after UA acquired it? I mean, what changes have they made with it?
 
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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:09 am

I hope you're not insinuating that the Pacific division somehow contributes to financial ill. If anything, UA's transpacific network has been its only reliable (not to mention profitable) source of steady revenue for the last several years as most of its domestic markets have gone into the shitter with its bloated cost outlays.
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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:41 am

While it was indeed sad to see the once great Pan Am shed one of its crown jewels with the sale of the Pacific Division, the sale was likely what gave Pan Am a few more years to live. In addition Pan Am was becoming more and more uncompetitive each and every year in the Pacific market place.

Pan Am's inflight product and older B747-100 and B747SP aircraft were falling further and further behind the strong already entrenched carriers across the Pacific, while smaller airlines at the time like Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines were just starting to pick up strength. Airlines like Asiana, ANA, Malaysian and EVA had yet to spread their wings across the Pacific while aircraft like the 747-400 and MD-11 were just around the corner. Pan Am did not have the finances required to update its product to keep up in the very competitive Pacific market

The sale of the Pacific division bought Pan Am time and much needed cash and thus allowed the carrier to concentrate on its Atlantic division which saw large growth in subsequent years. The growth of the Atlantic division was showing promise until the rash of terrorist acts in the mid 80s and finally the tragic PA103 incident.



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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:56 am

Pacific Ops account for 30% of UAL's revenue (I heard the finance guy say it). Being an old-style company is what is hurting UAL, not flying the pacific.
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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:42 pm

Amen Bistro1200!

Thanks for clearing that up!

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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:13 pm

Ah, but I do wish I'd had an opportunity to see these guys in person in the immediate aftermath of the takeover.
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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacif

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:24 pm

Actually its 20% (1/5)... but that's still significant.

Given the planes dedicated to flying transpacs (~30 of the 744s, ~15 777s (XPs) Sad

10% of the fleet (45/450) is producing 20% of the revenue.

Not bad...
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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:46 pm

What was that yellow add-on to the NW logo on the fuselage a couple of years ago? "Bridging the Pacific for 50 years"?.....Was that it?
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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:43 pm

In regard to the earlier question about what the Pacific routes looked like when United took them over...

Pan Am passed on Guam, Saipan and Manila routes to United, which they operated for a few years. United dropped Guam in the early 1990s and Manila in the late 1990s, I believe.
 
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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Fri Feb 13, 2004 12:21 am

UA flies the Pacific?

I thought NWA was the only one over in NRT?

hhhmmmm.

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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:16 am

In retrospect, if PA had dropped its transatlantic routes and kept its transpacific routes, the airline would still be around today. PA selling off its Pacific division was a huge factor in the demise of Pan Am (I).
 
TURBOJETMAN
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RE: 18th Anniversary Of UA Acquisition Of PA Pacific

Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:35 am

Ray more like Happy 57 to United over the Pacific. They started routes to Hawaii in 1947. They acquired PA routes 18 years ago. In fact at the time of the PA purchase they were already operating into Japan and China.

As far as Ezra's question, before the purchase PA operted a skeleton of flights from UA's current roster. In fact most of them were out of Narita. United as opened nonstop routes from HKG; SEL; PVG; BEJ; TPE and KIX to more US destinations then any other american carrier. And the Pacific division remains one of the most profitable for UA.

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