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AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Sat Feb 14, 2004 10:37 am

I was looking at something interesting today.
AA flies a 777 from MIA to Sao Paolo in Brazil, understandable, yes.
Then, I notice, it either continues that flight or uses an entirely different 777 to fly to Belo Horizonte. I do not know much about Brazil, but is there enough market to use a whole 777 on this 1 hour flight? Does anyone know why they do this? Any experiences on it or seeing it? Thanks in advance.
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Sat Feb 14, 2004 10:49 am

If you've ever been to LHR then your question would be answered. The last time I was there, I saw maybe 10 AA 777's  Smile

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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Sat Feb 14, 2004 11:00 am

LHR & LGW, almost as common as BA!
 
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:59 pm

Good questions. Wish I knew the answer to all of them. I suppose there must be enough market for AA to do this with their 777s. Look at the UAL 744s in Australia. They fly LAX-SYD, and then from SYD-MEL. Sydney to Melbourne is a very short flight for an aircraft as gigantic and long-ranged as the 744.
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:43 pm

I'm still kind of confused as to what point KLM11 and TRENT500 were trying to make regarding 777s in London...

In any case, it seems completely plausible that American would be using their 777s on this flight. Seeing that it would be unreasonable to base another aircraft in Brazil (be it a 767 or even a 737), and that there is surely enough time within the turn-around from the arrival of the MIA flight for when it must depart GRU for destinations in the United States (I would assume that American does not necessarily put the arriving MIA-GRU plane on the return GRU-MIA service later that day...however, I could be wrong), I believe American is probably just doing what is logical.

Also, I don't think American has fifth-freedom rights on this service, so they're not necessarily catering to local passengers here – it's ex-US traffic headed to Belo Horizonte. I'd say this adds to the fact that a GRU-based aircraft would be completely stupid.

I'd be intrigued to know if that leg of the flight is profitable. Any info?

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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:54 pm

Boston to London
Boston to Santo Domingo

Chicago to Dallas
Chicago to Frankfurt
Chicago to London
Chicago to Paris
Chicago to Tokyo

Dallas to Chicago
Dallas to Frankfurt
Dallas to London
Dallas to Los Angeles
Dallas to Miami
Dallas to Paris
Dallas to Santiago?
Dallas to Tokyo

Los Angeles to Dallas
Los Angeles to London
Los Angeles to Miami
Los Angeles to Tokyo

Miami to Buenos Aires
Miami to Dallas
Miami to London
Miami to Los Angeles
Miami to Paris?
Miami to Sao Paulo

New York to Buenos Aires?
New York to London
New York to Paris?
New York to Sao Paulo
New York to Tokyo

Raleigh to London

San Jose to Tokyo

Sao Paulo to Rio de Janeiro


**Rumors**

Chicago to Rome

Dallas to Sao Paulo

Los Angeles to Chicago
Los Angeles to New York

New York to Rome



LHR001

[Edited 2004-02-14 10:07:29]
 
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Sun Feb 15, 2004 2:28 am

The 777 that continues to CNF from GRU usually arrives from MIA But also sometimes they use the 777 from JFK (Usually this continues on to GIG).In any case the JFK crew work the CNF turn the third day of a five day trip laying over in CNF about 6 hours before returning to overnight in GRU.Whenever I flew the flight there were no more than 40-90 passengers.
 
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:20 am

Out of NY (JFK) the only 777 flights are all the LHR flights,NRT and GRU. EZE/CDG/ZRH and shortly BRU and FCO all utilize the 767-300ER.
 
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Sun Feb 15, 2004 4:33 am

Heres an updated correct list of AA 777 flights. I just copied and pasted lhr001's list and fixed it

Boston to London
Boston to Santo Domingo (saturday only I think)

Chicago to Dallas
Chicago to Frankfurt (sometimes its an 763)
Cgicago to Tokyo
Chicago to London

Dallas to Chicago
Dallas to Frankfurt
Dallas to London
Dallas to Los Angeles
Dallas to Miami
Dallas to Tokyo

Los Angeles to Dallas
Los Angeles to London
Los Angeles to Miami
Los Angeles to Tokyo (havent started that flight yet)

Miami to Buenos Aires
Miami to Dallas
Miami to London
Miami to Los Angeles
Miami to Sao Paulo


New York to London
New York to Sao Paulo
New York to Tokyo

Raleigh to London

San Jose to Tokyo

Sao Paulo to Rio de Janeiro

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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:42 am

It seems like most of the responders to this thread read only the subject line and not the actual post. He never asked where AA flies their 777s to in general- only a specific question about Brazil.

LHR001, AA does not fly 777s to Paris. And it's unlikely that JFK-Rome would be operated by one. Those routes are 763s.

 
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:52 pm

Is there a certain system, when they send a 777 ORD-FRA and when a 763? I looked for flights recently on several dates and there always a 763 listed...I only found flights to DFW on a 777...

I would prefer to fly on 777, so I would have to switch planes in either LHR or DFW...
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:28 am

I must correct some of the info above.

To SCL

MIA-SCL 772
DFW-SCL 763
 
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:33 am

All AA's flight USA-CDG-USA are with B763s.
 
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:24 am

Back in the day (like 2 or 3 years ago) United would always use 744s, 777s, and 767s to Chicago and Denver from LAX and SFO. I thought it was great. I don't think they do it anymore with the 744s though.

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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:54 pm

In the past AA has operated the CDG operations with the 777.... It is a shame that they cant fill the 777 to Paris anymore.... Oh well..... We will just have to fly on UA, CO, DL, or AF for the 777 from North America!


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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:05 pm

It is a shame that they cant fill the 777 to Paris anymore.... Oh well

It has nothing to do with filling a 777 to Paris. American could probably fill eight 777-200ERs flying DFW/ORD/JFK/MIA-CDG, each at twice daily, though they wouldn't make a dime. The 777s are used on business markets, which in Europe is Frankfurt and London.

The reason the 777-200ER is used to Belo Horizonte is because of high cargo demand and lack of a 763 on the ground at GRU.

Look at the current GRU schedule Friday through Monday:

AA 907 (763) arrives from MIA at 0742. This plane quickly (by Deep SouthAm standards) turns around to do AA 930 back to MIA at 1135.

AA 963 (763) gets in next from Dallas at 0957. This aircraft then goes onto Asuncion at 1245, operating at AA 995 (which orignated as the MIA-GRU 777 service).

AA 995 (772) gets in from Miami at 1022. This aircraft then goes onto Belo Horizonte at 1225 as AA 963 (which originated as DFW-GRU 763).

AA 951 (772) gets in from JFK at 1041. This aircraft then goes onto Rio de Janeiro, still as AA 951, at 1205.

AA 929 (763) gets in from MIA at 2241. It quickly turns around to operate as AA 998 back to Miami at 2359.

On Tu through Th, same thing, except the 763 that did AA 907 stays in GRU until the redeye back.

When it comes to deciding which extra legs get the planes, GIG gets a 777 because it is same plane service from JFK, so that is a given. CNF gets the 777 over ASU because, even though ASU has much stronger passenger yields and premium demand, CNF's cargo demand far outstrips that. The 777 on GRU-CNF has very good loads in coach (leaving sold out at least 2-3x a week), but often is empty in the premium cabins.
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:27 pm

Why was the DFW-ZRH 777 pulled for a 767-300?



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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:29 pm

New York to Buenos Aires?
New York to Paris?


All 767s I believe.

I would love for 777 JFK-LAX...perhaps by AI in July?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:34 am

I can confirm New York to Paris, SafetyDude. They are all 763ERs that operate this route. What about ORD-CDG, or DFW-CDG? I thought the 763ERs operate all routes to Paris now. AA withdrew their 772ERs from the route, right? Strange, as rivals United, Continental, and Delta all bring their 777s into CDG. The 777s used to operate into Buenos Aires, correct? But I can't confirm this. I would imagine AA would have to use a 777 on this route if it is nonstop, that is one loooonnnnng flight! But I could very well be wrong.
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:18 am

American use to operate the 777 on the JFK-EZE route and the rumour at work is that its going to come back on that route.currently AA only flies the 777 into EZE from MIA with both JFK-EZE and DFW-EZE being flown by 767-300ERs in 2 class config.

[Edited 2004-02-18 00:22:29]
 
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:00 am

Hey


one to add


JFK-SJU
MIA-SJU
MIS-Santo Domingo
JFK-SantoDomingo
LAX-SJU(some times 777 mostly A300)
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Wed Feb 18, 2004 10:54 am

The 777s are used on business markets, which in Europe is Frankfurt and London.

What are you talking about? Paris is one of the US's top 3 business destinations.

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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Wed Feb 18, 2004 12:03 pm

The 777s are used on business markets, which in Europe is Frankfurt and London.

What are you talking about? Paris is one of the US's top 3 business destinations.


Paris is a leisure destination, simple as that. Is there a good amount of premium demand? Yeah, better than most markets, but the majority of US-Paris traffic is low-yielding American tourists. There are some exceptions. High-yielding business traffic to New York City, oil traffic to Houston, government traffic to Dulles, and premium leisure traffice to Miami and Los Angeles. There is a reason AA uses 2-class, higher density 763s on thier Paris flights over 777s.


Hey
one to add
JFK-SJU
MIA-SJU
MIS-Santo Domingo
JFK-SantoDomingo
LAX-SJU(some times 777 mostly A300)


None of those routes have 777s. LAX-SJU is never an A300, it is a 763. Yes, on the ocassion AA will sub a 777 for an A300 on JFK/MIA-SDQ if they have a spare lying around, but those are not 777 routes for AA.
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:02 am

Co used to operate a DC-10 on the Houston-Sao Paolo-Belo Horizonte route but I believe it was only on the Belo Horizonte turn because of a requirement to get the route authority. We couldn't understand why it was required as it ran with a whopping 30-50 people on it on average.

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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:10 am

MAH4646:
There is just one flight that you forgot:
AA 999 (772)- arrives at GRU in the morning, around 8 or 9 o´clock.
After the arrival I don´t know where it goes....
I got this flight last year...
Just to complete...

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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:17 am

MAH4646:
There is just one flight that you forgot:
AA 999 (772)- arrives at GRU in the morning, around 8 or 9 o´clock.


I mentioned all of them. AA 999 no longer operates under that flight number. It has been changed to AA 995.
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:18 am

I worked on an AA 777 from Santo Domingo to Miami 3 days ago. We worked an A300 down from JFK and the next day were surprised to see a 777 sitting at our gate. Someone told me it happens once a week but I've never seen one of our 777's there before, so I'm not sure.
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Thu Feb 19, 2004 3:21 am

I´m sorry, my mistake...
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 4:54 am

thanks for all the info
 
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 11:05 am

With regards to the 777 flying intra Brazil, my only guess is possibly for CARGO???
 
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RE: AA 777: It Goes Where?!

Mon Mar 01, 2004 12:29 pm

I think people forget the 777 American uses on their daily flight to Santiago de Chile.
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