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Most Profitable US International Hub

Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:18 pm

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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:30 pm

I imagine IAH is one of the most profitable international route destinations in the US.
 
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Sun Feb 22, 2004 4:34 pm

I'd say either LAX/SFO or New York La Guardia..........LAX/SFO get all the asian/aussie traffic, while NY gets heaps of everything -- NYC is the place to be for tourists!

But what do I know...that's just a guess.  Laugh out loud

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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Sun Feb 22, 2004 5:51 pm

New York LaGuardia is not an international hub. The only international flights it can recieve are those from destinations with pre-clearence in the Bahamas, Bermuda, Canada, and Aruba.

As for the most profitable international hub, nobody knows but the airlines. Though you could likely argue they are JFK/EWR, MIA, and LAX. Each is the prime gateway to each of the three big international regions, and also have strong O&D and business traffic to each respective region.
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:34 pm

I know CO's most profitable hub is EWR, and it is mostly a result from their strong European network and TLV, which is a major cash cow for them. It has done so well that it is going to 2x daily 777s.
 
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:27 am

Cory6188 --

How do you "know" that EWR is CO's most profitable hub? I have no stats, but I do know that BA, KLM, and LH have reported that IAH is their most profitable US destination. Makes me wonder if the same holds true for CO.
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:34 am

Ssides- I recall someone saying in "Does CO hub at EWR" that EWR is CO's most profitable hub even though its the second largest. They may not be right either, but it is definitely not inconceivable.

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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:35 am

MAH4546 is correct. Only the airlines really know. If I have to say one I'd have to go with MIA. This includes of course cargo operations.
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:36 am

BA, KLM, and LH have reported that IAH is their most profitable US destination
And they serve IAH how many times compared to CO?

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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:43 am

um... this is off the topic a little, but how is British Airways and Lufthansa Airlines doing on the flights to Denver International Airport?
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:50 am

Yanksn4 --

I think both are doing OK. I've heard some rumors about LH downgrading its 747 service, but that's about it.
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:52 am

I'd say MEM is the LEAST
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:55 am

Ssides, I "know" that EWR is CO's most profitable hub because that is what Charles B. Scully, CO's head of EWR airport, told me when I met him on Customer Appreciation day a year ago or so.

He said that even though IAH is larger, they make more money at EWR because of New York O&D traffic.
 
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:59 am

EWR is CO's most profitable hub, I've read that several times from Gordon Bethune etc..

It's the amount of business traffic, EWR gets a larger portion of business travelers.
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:37 am

CLE is doing well for CO
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 3:16 am

I also really doubt that IAH is BA,KLM, and LHs best route in the US. I would say JFK is more likely a contender for all three of them.

BA has around 7 744 flights JFK-LHR.
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:06 am

Remember that sheer volume of seats does not necessarily equate into the most profitable route. Two passengers paying $1000 apiece equals the same profit as ten pax paying $100. Just for information's sake, it is more expensive, sometimes drastically more so, to fly LON-IAH than LON-JFK. That said, I'd have to see some numbers to believe either KL or BA's most profitable destination is Houston. Very successful- yes, definitely. But most profitable? I'd love to be proven wrong, though.

EWR is CO's most profitable hub, but IAH sees more flights and traffic.

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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:12 am

B757Capt: I'd say MEM is the LEAST

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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:17 am

Does anyone have any figures justifying their statements about the profitablility of any hub? IAH or JFK being the best or MEM being the worst. Don't forget we are talking about profitability which has to include revenue minus expences.

Also,since were talking about hubs, most of the passengers will be connecting at the hub and not originating. If it's the Trans-Atlantic market we are talking about more than 50% of the passengers originate in Europe on all the carriers.
 
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:11 am

If it's the Trans-Atlantic market we are talking about more than 50% of the passengers originate in Europe on all the carriers.

I believe Air France is an exception, I am not sure. There are two key US-Europe markets were the majority of the traffic is US-originating, and those are to Paris and Rome.
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:19 am

EWR is most defeintely our most profitable hub. And that is why we stand financially the way we are right now. We dont make any money domestically but since our International network is so vast and very well liked, that is where we make ourmoney, and by far EWR is more than IAH. If you think about all the mexican desitinations that IAH serves, think of all the cheap fares that groups can get going to CUN/PVR/ACA/CZM/SJD. You can find some good deals, plus our Business First is a killer for some income.
 
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:22 am

MAH4546,

You are probably right about Paris being an exception, don't know about Rome.
 
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 7:25 am

Nobody mentioned MSP [or DTW] yet?
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:13 am

Miami at least for cargo operations...
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:31 am

I'd imagine ATL must rank near the top due to the shear volume of DL's operation there, they offer int'l service to:

MEX
CUN
DL), Mexico">GDL
PTY
SAL
LIR
BOG
CCS
LIM
GRU
SJU
SXM
STT
GCM
MBJ
NAS
BDA
PLS
LGW
MAN
SNN
DUB
CDG
AMS
BRU
FRA
STR
MUC
FCO
MXP
ZRH
MAD
BCN
NRT
YYZ
YUL
YVR(seasonal)

I probably forgot some, but that's a lot.

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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:25 pm

I'd imagine ATL must rank near the top due to the shear volume of DL's operation there, they offer int'l service to

I'm sure it's profitable, but it's not near the top. First of all, a heavy amount of the international traffic is connecting, not O&D. Secondly, frequencies are minimal in most every case, rarely more than once a day. That shows that how, despite it's large number of international destinations, ATL receives only about one-third of the international passengers that JFK, LAX, and MIA do.

Also, minor pet peeve of mine, but SJU and STT are not international destinations.
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RE: Most Profitable US International Hub

Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:00 pm

Several have indicated it already, but the airlines are the only ones that actually know!

A large factor that differs from airport to airport are the landing fees and the facility rents. These differ extremely greatly and can easily turn an station from a profitable operation to an unprofitable one.

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