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flyua
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UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:27 am

I don't know how a deal could be worked out with our pilots' union, but we are indeed bringing back our ORD-HNL nonstop on June 3rd! It will be flown with a B777 two-class configuration aircraft, so I don't know where our fly-boys and -girls have agreed to rest their weary bones.

Still, I'm delighted this long-rumored route is officially revived!
 
AlitaliaORD
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:51 am

Flyua,
YOU JUST MADE MY DAY. i flew the route back in '91 when they used
747-100.
 
scottysair
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:51 am

It would make with welcome back on UA their flight from ORD-HNL again and those are very long time for this. I will get with their press releases into the Yahoo News for you. Thanks!  Smile
 
flyua
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:55 am

ScottysAir: Thank you for adding the yahoo news link. Someday I will know how to do that!

AlitaliaORD: Glad to make your day! Now, make MY day and get yourself a reservation on our flight! Best wishes....
 
scottysair
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:56 am

Well, here it is with their press releases news was came in now ande here it is:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040223/cgm067_1.html

Regards!  Smile
 
ord
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:57 am

Direct from United...

http://www.united.com/press/detail/0,6862,51686,00.html

United Reinstates Non-Stop Service Between Chicago and Honolulu

February 23, 2004

With Addition, United to Offer Customers Nonstop Service to Hawaii From Four U.S. Hubs

CHICAGO, February 23, 2004 - United Airlines (OTCBB: UALAQ.OB) today announced that it is reinstating its daily nonstop service between Chicago O’Hare International Airport (ORD) and Honolulu (HNL), effective June 3, 2004. Flights will be available for booking on February 24, 2004.

"United is thrilled to once again offer our customers nonstop service from Chicago, our hometown and largest hub, to one of the nation’s top vacation destinations," said John Tague, executive vice president - Customer, United Airlines. "This flight will answer the call from our customers in the Chicagoland area for daily, nonstop access to the beaches and sunshine of Hawaii. It will also give our customers in the eastern U.S. another option for convenient, one-stop service to the Islands."

United’s announcement of this new service follows an announcement earlier this month that it would begin flying a second daily nonstop flight between Tokyo, Japan, and Honolulu in June 2004.

United will fly daily between Chicago and Honolulu with a Boeing 777 aircraft configured with 36 seats in first class and 312 seats in economy class. UA001 will leave ORD at 1015 and arrive at HNL at 1345. The return leg, UA002, will depart HNL at 1625 and arrive at ORD at 0515.

"This was a popular flight among many Hawaii residents and visitors, so we’re very pleased travelers will once again have this option," said Governor Linda Lingle of Hawaii. "The resumption of nonstop service between Honolulu and Chicago is good news for visitors from the Midwest and those connecting from the East Coast. As Hawaii’s visitor market continues to strengthen, the addition of flights such as this will help meet demand."

The new Chicago service will complement United’s existing service to Hawaii from its other hubs in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Denver. With 24 daily, nonstop flights from three hub cities in the U.S. to four Hawaiian Islands - Oahu, Maui, Hawaii and Kauai - United offers the most flights between the mainland U.S. and Hawaii. United also offers daily, nonstop service between Honolulu and both Tokyo and Osaka.

United has been serving Hawaii since 1947.

United, United Express and Ted operate more than 3,400 flights a day on a route network that spans the globe. News releases and other information about United can be found at the company's web site at www.united.com.





[Edited 2004-02-23 20:59:04]
 
Bicoastal
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:37 am

Excellent.

I wonder, too, if there's a profitable market for Dulles (IAD) to Honolulu (HNL)?

Any word on why United's pilots agreed to the reinstated route? Any contract waivers involved?



[Edited 2004-02-23 21:42:31]
 
N670UW
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:06 am

Interesting they're using Flights 1 and 2. Weren't those the RTW flight numbers?



670
 
Bobs89irocz
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:09 am

WOW.....two class configuration.....thats alot of people on that 777 for a long flight. Either way, im very glad UA is doing this. I think they will have good success with it.
 
N777UA
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:43 am

Thank you !!!!!!!!!! United has always been the #1 carrier to Hawaii...and serving it from home base is always best!!


Hawaii...our little corner of the world
//// U N I T E D
 
gigneil
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:32 am

I would be beside myself with pleasure if they were to find a justification for an IAD-HNL route, however, my guess is the delta of markets served from IAD and not ORD is insufficient to warrant the extra feed.

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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:56 am

Interesting they're using Flights 1 and 2. Weren't those the RTW flight numbers?

You are correct!  Big grin

Since AA announced an ORD-HNL nonstop, it was only a matter of time before UA reinstated theirs.

//// Go UNITED!!!!!  Big thumbs up
 
HNLFlyBoy
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:03 am

This is great news. I was sadden when UA dropped this route. It is only fitting that they have a non-stop from ORD (their WHQ) to HNL, since they do carry the majority of pax to and from the Mainland. I had a feeling this was coming...since AA has been doing it for awhile now.

Long live UA and HNL! Now if we could just get the Intl. F lounge here opened again.....
 
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:54 am

Years ago UA had a special gate for the ORD-HNL flights. They were decorated in a Hawaiian motif. The flights had something called "Royal Hawaiian Service". They originally operated them with stretch 8's. Then they upgraded them to 747-100's. I wonder if they will have a special gate again??
 
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:18 am

When I transitioned to the 747-100/200, I flew the HNL route, out of LAX and ORD- truly, a Captain's dream to have a two day lay-over in Hawaii twice a month or so.
 
N777UA
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:48 am

It wasn't an official "Hawaii" gate, but I've taken ORD-HNL numerous times, back when it was flight 43 and operated with a DC10-30, and it always left from C-20. I always considered it my "Hawaii gate".
 
flyingbronco05
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:06 am

UA was prolly getting killed by AA 763's going out full. I know AA has at least one 763 from ORD-HNL, but didn't they operate 2 a day for some time?

FB05
 
N777UA
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:08 am

Yep, American flies two 767s ORD-HNL.

Glad United's going to fly a real jumbo jet though.
 
762er
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:26 am

And don't forget, AA still has the daily ORD-OGG service making it a total of two dailys to HNL and one to OGG, vs. United's one ORD-HNL. I think AA definitely has the advantage on the Hawaii markets, especially with the significantly more comfortable first class on the 763s. UA using a domestic 777 with the domestic first would be a tough sell for the discriminating traveler. As an economy traveler I would also hate get stuck in the middle of a middle row with 5 seats for 8+ hours. I'll take the AA 76 over the UA 777 on this route any day.
 
AlitaliaORD
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:33 am

does UA's 777 (domestic) have PTV's? im pretty sure they do. PTVs plus the fact of being on a 777 alone would give United my business....plus some of AAs F/As need to learn how to be patient.
 
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:53 am

Hawaii is still United's little corner of the world! Congratulations UA for the reinstatement of this service. I look forward to flying it in the near future.

Kris
NOW MORE THAN EVER, FLY THE FRIENDLY SKIES
 
Brick
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:54 am

UA 777's that are configured for a two classes do not have PTV's. There are video monitors on the ceiling. First class still has the PTV's though.

Mark Abbott
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 12:18 pm

Since AA announced an ORD-HNL nonstop, it was only a matter of time before UA reinstated theirs.


AA has been flying ORD-HNL for a while now. They fly two dailies during peak travel periods. It is ORD-OGG that was recently announced and started.
 
chicago757
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:06 pm

Didnt UA fly DC-10s nonstop from ORD to HNL before??
 
N777UA
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:43 pm

Yes, the DC10 flew the ORD-HNL (then flight 43/44) until it was suspended in 2001 along with the retirement of the DC10. Flight 44 was the final DC10 flight. What caused the route to be suspended was the fact that the pilot contract prohibited backup crews on domestic flights, that flights of at least 8 hours (ORD-HNL is 9 hours) need at least 3 crewmembers.

The DC10 created a loophole, as you needed 3 pilots to fly the plane in the first place, so that solved the problem. After the retirement, the only planes that had crew rest areas were the 747-400 and tri-cabin 777 and 767-300 airplanes. United didn't want to fly a tri-cabin on the flight since it is mostly leisure, as the DC10s were two class.

Not sure how they're solving the problem now, as the two-class 777s are now going to be flying the new ORD-HNL, which is United flight 1.
 
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:08 pm

Brick: sorry, no PTV's in First Class on the 777XA either! PTV's are only on the three class aircraft in UA's fleet.

This aircraft is pretty cool for a two class plane! From a flight attendant perspective it's a snap to work and from an Economy passenger standpoint it's better then economy on the 744 anyday. If you have Economy Plus, you're set!

Domestic First on this route makes sense since so many of the people up front used miles anyway. It's just not cost effective to run a Three Cabin "proper" international aircraft on this route.

Any UA pilots out there that can talk about legality issues with flying this route? What's changed to allow this? Details anyone??

FA4UA
 
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:34 pm

Posted on: Tuesday, February 24, 2004

United to add Chicago flight

By Debbie Sokei
Advertiser Staff Writer

United Airlines yesterday said it will reinstate its daily nonstop service between Chicago and Honolulu, a sign of optimism in the continued growth in the Mainland visitor market.

United's Chicago-to-Honolulu service will start June 3. Flights will be available for booking starting today.

United, the largest carrier to Hawai'i, will use a Boeing 777 aircraft with 312 seats in economy class and 36 seats in first class. United has 5,300 seats daily from the Mainland to Hawai'i.

John Tague, United's executive vice president for customer initiative, said the new service will meet the rising demand from the region.

"This flight will answer the call from our customers in the Chicago land area for daily, nonstop access to ... Hawai'i," Tague said.

In 2003, more than 1.6 million visitors from the U.S. region states east of the Rocky Mountains came to Hawai'i, an increase of 4.6 percent from a year earlier, according to preliminary year-to-date figures released by the state Department of Business Economic Development & Tourism.

Gov. Linda Lingle said the added flight will help boost the state's tourism industry.

"The resumption of nonstop service between Ho-nolulu and Chicago is good new for visitors from the Midwest and those connecting from the East Coast. As Hawai'i's visitor market continues to strengthen, the addition of flight such as this will help meet the demand," Lingle said.

United discontinued its nonstop Chicago-to-Honolulu route in February 2001 after the airlines retired its DC-10 fleet that was used for the route, said Stephan Roth, spokesman for United. The DC-10 aircraft carried 285 passengers.

Earlier this month, United announced it will start a second daily nonstop service between Tokyo and Honolulu beginning June 11.

United will use a Boeing 777 aircraft carrying 194 seats in economy, 10 seats in first class and 49 seats in business class for that route.

With that addition, United will have three Japan-Hawai'i flights a day. It currently operates a daily flight between Tokyo and Honolulu and a daily flight between Osaka and Honolulu.
 
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:06 pm

Tuesday, 24 February 2004

oneworld news and member airline news

United to resume Chicago-Honolulu route

Star's United is to resume services between Chicago O'Hare and Honolulu from 3 June, with daily Boeing 777s, in competition with oneworld's American which offers twice-daily Boeing 767-300s.
 
UA744Flagship
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:14 am

Per another "FA4UA"  Smile one of the domestic F seats (presumably the bulkhead) will be cordoned off with a curtain and have a modular footrest.

F/As will get some blocked off E+ seats.

So in reality, the plane will seat less than F36/Y312 because of crewrests.

More like F35/Y308...
 
gigneil
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RE: UA Returns ORD-HNL Nonstop In June

Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:39 am

I _hate_ the bulkhead seat when flying first on UA, and most carriers. It actually reduces your legroom significantly.

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