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usnseallt82
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4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:12 am

According to a recent article by CNN, 4 members of the U.S. military were killed when their Cessna Citation 560 crashed outside of San Diego...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/03/11/plane.crash/index.html

Nothing has been declared as the cause for the crash, although several investigations are now pending.


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MYT332
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:15 am

The plane was been flown on instruments for training, hmm i'd give them an F. Bad news none the less, poor guys.

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usnseallt82
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:19 am

I know the area of San Diego fairly well, with nightly breezes turning into small storms and fog easily. So, if you put that with a instrument training flight during night hours, any novice aviator could be easily overwhelmed.

God be with the families of these fine soldiers.
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:57 am

Give it a rest, these guys were learning how to fly a bizjet, not fighting Al Qaeda. While it's sad, it's no more so than any other GA accident. Remember the military serves voluntarily at the pleasure of the American people, not the other way around
 
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:59 am

Marines, so what? Still just people to me. I implied it was a sad incident, eesh.
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 6:36 am

Hey... he was just lending a touch of humor to an otherwise humorless situation. It isn't such a big deal.. don't hop on him. I was thinking the same thing.

That does suck, though, as any plane crash does. It will be interesting to learn why the plane crashed, because bizjets tend to be very reliable.

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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:54 am

I really dont get how planes just crash un expecticly sometimes. I really is wierd. But i was talking with a friend today about the crash and i was saying how if there were 2 crashes in 3 months everyone would get all scared. But when there are atleast 150 fatal car accdidents a day no one cares.

Also while listening to ATC tapes of Alasak 261 wonder what the pilots of the airplanes that saw it go down where thinking. It must be hard to complete a flight.
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:49 am

When the airlines used to do flight training in the airplane, every so often they would lose one. They could have been doing partial panel or using backup instruments(I don't know the 650) or even single engine work under the hood.

There are some wacky instructors out there and they could have been doing some non-standard stuff. You have to wait for the investigation.TC
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usnseallt82
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:15 pm

I agree with a previous comment...even if they were going under the hood with one engine running, the 560 has a very reliable system which will compensate for the loss in thrust. Although, if it's not found to be pilot error, it would be interesting to see if the 560 has some sort of previously unknown problem.

Like I said, God be with the families of those who fell.
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:24 pm

This Crash happened only about 10 miles from my home, and it was horrible to see ... smoke and debris was everywhere for about five hours. It happened this morning at about five o'clock AM. Very Sad  Sad

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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:51 pm

I really dont get how planes just crash un expecticly sometimes. I really is wierd. But i was talking with a friend today about the crash and i was saying how if there were 2 crashes in 3 months everyone would get all scared. But when there are atleast 150 fatal car accdidents a day no one cares.

Planes crash every day. Most days, there is at least one fatal accident. But you never hear about it...why? Because they're smaller aircraft (Cessna 172, Piper Cherokee, etc.) The media only cares if 1) it's a jet and 2) it has a lot of people, or someone famous. Same way with car crashes...it only makes news if it's a bus full of nuns, or affects some major artery.
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:55 pm

"The Cessna Citation 560 crashed about 8:40 p.m. local time, Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Bruce Nelson said."


KLM11-
"It happened this morning at about five o'clock AM"

Im just curious as to why the article and yourself have such different times as to when it happened. As with any news story that is fairly recent, I trust the witness more than report (especially when it comes to aviation). Anyway, still just curious.

God bless the soldiers who died.

[Edited 2004-03-12 04:57:03]
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:01 pm

"The Cessna Citation 560 crashed about 8:40 p.m. local time, Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Bruce Nelson said."


KLM11-
"It happened this morning at about five o'clock AM"

"Im just curious as to why the article and yourself have such different times as to when it happened. As with any news story, I trust the witness more than report (especially when it comes to aviation). Anyway, still just curious. "

It did indeed crash at approx 8:40pm local time on Wed 3/10/04. It did not crash at 5:00am.

The pilots were veterans and were very experienced pilots. According to the local news this is the first accident at the base in 20 years.

There is also another thread on this from Wed night, I just dont have the link.


 
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:19 pm

Sorry Everyone, my bad.

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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:08 pm

Hello all,
First of all I wanted to say hello as a very long time reader of airliners.net. I never really wanted to join and post as I simply wanted to remain an interested observer-until now. Why post now? Because I knew and flew with 2 of the pilots who were killed in the C2 crash at Miramar. It doesn't really bother me that someone like RiverVisualNYC says:

"Give it a rest, these guys were learning how to fly a bizjet, not fighting Al Qaeda. While it's sad, it's no more so than any other GA accident. Remember the military serves voluntarily at the pleasure of the American people, not the other way around"

They were some of the best combat proven helicopter pilots in the USMC-just happening to be flying a bizjet while on duty. Yes, spouses, kids, many of them-all lost their fathers last night in the line of duty-helping to defend our country. Yes, they previously fought Al Qaeda-and were preparing to head back to the Middle East to fight some more. And no Meister808, it isn't humorous-if even "a touch." I am 34 and this makes 14 very close friends I have lost in aviation accidents in the defense of our country. I have lost a lifetime of friends, yet I am happy to have known them all. They wouldn't expect ANY more sympathy than an unfortunate GA pilot-That ideology alone makes them simply "Great Americans."
 
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 10:08 pm

"Remember the military serves voluntarily at the pleasure of the American people, not the other way around"

That's right, for the American people. Other people can be happy that it happened. Sorry for that sarcastic comment - but true.
 
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:39 pm

Can we establish a rule that crash messages not be posted with exclamation points?

I realize that there is a morbid fringe among our members that are drawn to such things, but if this site is about aviation --and not about crashes-- we should all find crashes to be tragic and not in the best interests of aviation.
 
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:46 am

Well said, H53Epilot!

 
MYT332
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:51 am

Yall need a life, it was a joke. How many times you want me to say i feel sorry for the guys that died Flame bait off!
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Sat Mar 13, 2004 10:01 am

It was really soupy Wednesday night. I live about 5 miles away from NKX.

[Edited 2004-03-13 02:03:08]
 
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RE: 4 Dead In Citation 560 Crash!

Sat Mar 13, 2004 10:10 am

>>>Well said, H53Epilot!

I'll second that.. Welcome to a.net (as a member), and very sorry that you lost friends in the accident...

Don't let certain elements here disuade you from posting...  Big grin
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