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US Airline Future A340 Orders

Thu Oct 22, 1998 11:53 pm

Has any US airline placed any future orders for the 340
especially the 500 and 600 versions of this aircraft?
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Reason: Title non-descriptive
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RE: A340

Fri Oct 23, 1998 1:04 am

As far as I have read from the AIrbus site, no. www.airbus.com

I have reda that US airways is thinking about that, but so far I have no news.

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RE: A340

Fri Oct 23, 1998 2:53 am

If it wasn't for the strong 'buy American' lobby in the US there would be many more Airbus planes flying for US carriers. Undoubtetly also the A-340.
 
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Re: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:03 pm

I am willing to say no mainly because they no longer make that type of aircraft.
 
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Re: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:08 pm

Please use a more descriptive thread title.

The last A340 was produced in 2010, and the last deliveries were of two white tail A340-500s in 2012. The A340-500 and -600 were not economically competitive against the 777-300ER and 777-200LR. Some carriers canceled orders for them, and others retired them earlier than expected. There is essentially no resale market for used examples of the -500 and -600. The -300 fared better, but it too is reaching the end of the road as the A350-900 and 787-9, which do everything it did at far less operating expense, reach full production.

If any A340s operate in the US in the future, they will be as VIP aircraft or low-utilization charter aircraft.
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Re: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:10 pm

jr wrote:
Has any US airline placed any future orders for the 340 especially the 500 and 600 versions of this aircraft?


As noted up-thread, Airbus no longer offers any model of the A340 family for sale.

As for US airlines and the A340 family, Continental did place an order for the A340-300, but it was cancelled when CO went into Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization and when they came out, they ordered the 777-200, instead. US Airways was rumored to be looking at either new or used A340-500s to launch PHL-NRT, but they were not awarded that route (I believe) so the need for a long-range four-engine frame was moot.

Winglet wrote:
If it wasn't for the strong 'buy American' lobby in the US there would be many more Airbus planes flying for US carriers. Undoubtetly also the A-340.


If there really is such a "lobby", it is not a very effective one considering US in 1996 placed the largest order for Airbus aircraft in history (when options were counted) and United, Northwest and American have all ordered Airbus equipment in the past and presently.
 
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Re: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:13 pm

Stitch wrote:
jr wrote:
Has any US airline placed any future orders for the 340 especially the 500 and 600 versions of this aircraft?


As noted up-thread, Airbus no longer offers any model of the A340 family for sale.

As for US airlines and the A340 family, Continental did place an order for the A340-300, but it was cancelled when CO went into Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization and when they came out, they ordered the 777-200, instead. US Airways was rumored to be looking at either new or used A340-500s to launch PHL-NRT, but they were not awarded that route (I believe) so the need for a long-range four-engine frame was moot.

Winglet wrote:
If it wasn't for the strong 'buy American' lobby in the US there would be many more Airbus planes flying for US carriers. Undoubtetly also the A-340.


If there really is such a "lobby", it is not a very effective one considering US in 1996 placed the largest order for Airbus aircraft in history (when options were counted) and United, Northwest and American have all ordered Airbus equipment both in the past and present (in NW's case through their successor DL).
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Re: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:14 pm

seabosdca wrote:
Please use a more descriptive thread title.

The last A340 was produced in 2010, and the last deliveries were of two white tail A340-500s in 2012. The A340-500 and -600 were not economically competitive against the 777-300ER and 777-200LR. Some carriers canceled orders for them, and others retired them earlier than expected. There is essentially no resale market for used examples of the -500 and -600. The -300 fared better, but it too is reaching the end of the road as the A350-900 and 787-9, which do everything it did at far less operating expense, reach full production.

If any A340s operate in the US in the future, they will be as VIP aircraft or low-utilization charter aircraft.


Southwest1137 wrote:
I am willing to say no mainly because they no longer make that type of aircraft.


You do realize this thread is from 1998, don't you? I think the new airliners.net is having issues...
 
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Re: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:14 pm

Guys this thread dates from October 1998.
 
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Re: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:10 pm

When the site converted over, all previously locked threads became unlocked, so old stuff can be replied to. The question is how/why someone managed to dig up a nearly 20-year-old thread to reply to.
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Re: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:11 pm

hOMSaR wrote:
The question is how/why someone managed to dig up a nearly 20-year-old thread to reply to.

Simple, they clicked on page 5662 (currently last page of the Civil Aviation forums) and replied to one of the topics there.
 
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Re: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:42 pm

wow, this really had me wondering, thought DL might be up to something crazy for their Oldtimer collections :roll: :roll: :roll:
then thought what a darft question , only then did I not the 1998 Thing

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Re: RE: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:12 pm

Winglet wrote:
If it wasn't for the strong 'buy American' lobby in the US there would be many more Airbus planes flying for US carriers. Undoubtetly also the A-340.
United, American, Delta, fly Airbus products. So do smaller airlines like Virgin American. Hawaiian, Frontier. Your point is not well taken.
 
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Re: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:10 pm

In Fact, NW did place orders for the A340 but never took delivery. They wound up taking A330s instead.
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Re: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:46 pm

hOMSaR wrote:
When the site converted over, all previously locked threads became unlocked, so old stuff can be replied to. The question is how/why someone managed to dig up a nearly 20-year-old thread to reply to.


I love it, this is hilarious! I didn't particularly like the new site, but I'm getting to like it now . . . :D
 
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Re: RE: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:53 pm

Winglet wrote:
If it wasn't for the strong 'buy American' lobby in the US there would be many more Airbus planes flying for US carriers. Undoubtetly also the A-340.

Even though at the time this was written this was probably true, it is funny how AA and DL are now huge Airbus operators.

US Airways in 2008 was looking for used A340s to fly their China routes they should've never gotten.
 
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Re: A340a

Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:01 pm

The A340 was not a good proposition for US airlines, the A330 was perfect for the European flights and Brazil. Northwest and United would have been the only ones using an A340 for Asia, UA placed the launch customer for the 777 so they had no need for an A340. The only continent where the A340 sold well was Europe: Iberia, Swiss, Lufthansa, Air France, Sabena, Olympic, Virgin Atlantic and SAS flew the A340.
 
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Re: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:16 pm

DocLightning wrote:
In Fact, NW did place orders for the A340 but never took delivery. They wound up taking A330s instead.


I'm trying to remember how long ago they placed the A340 order. Didn't they defer them in favor of secondhand DC-10s at first, before they eventually changed the order to A330s?
 
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Re: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:50 pm

Yflyer wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
In Fact, NW did place orders for the A340 but never took delivery. They wound up taking A330s instead.


I'm trying to remember how long ago they placed the A340 order. Didn't they defer them in favor of secondhand DC-10s at first, before they eventually changed the order to A330s?


It was late 1980s. I remember an old commercial aviation book from the late 80s that showed fleet lists and orders at the time, and it had NW with A340s on order.
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Re: A340

Fri Jun 17, 2016 10:19 pm

I would have loved to have seen a U.S. operator of the A340. It was always one of my favorite planes.

Though on the bright side, all of the U.S. legacy carriers will be A350 operators!
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Re: A340

Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:05 am

hOMSaR wrote:
Yflyer wrote:
It was late 1980s. I remember an old commercial aviation book from the late 80s that showed fleet lists and orders at the time, and it had NW with A340s on order.


And I would have given a gonad to have seen an A340 in the NW Bowling Shoe colors.

A GONAD.

Image

It would have been so beautiful :mrgreen:
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Re: A340

Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:21 am

Stitch wrote:
US Airways was rumored to be looking at either new or used A340-500s to launch PHL-NRT, but they were not awarded that route (I believe) so the need for a long-range four-engine frame was moot.


AFAIK, they won the route right before the economy crashed in 2008, and they deferred it for quite some time, before finally returning the authority. There was discussion of them getting some used A340s to fly it though.
 
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Re: A340

Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:32 am

Interesting analysis by CAPA on the A340 and existing operators if anyone is interested!

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/a ... hem-235948
 
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Re: US Airline Future A340 Orders

Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:34 pm

Airbus has stopped production. Nobody is looking for a 4 engined plane these days, except Air Force one.
 
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Re: US Airline Future A340 Orders

Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:38 pm

I believe CO also had A340 orders, but they were cancelled during their bankruptcy in the early 90s (pre Gordon Bethune, before anyone blames him).
 
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Re: US Airline Future A340 Orders

Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:40 pm

Just woke up. This looks like a hospital. What year is it? Is Bryan Adams still at number 1 with that Robin Hood song?
Down with that sort of thing!
 
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Re: A340

Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:23 pm

Yflyer wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
In Fact, NW did place orders for the A340 but never took delivery. They wound up taking A330s instead.


I'm trying to remember how long ago they placed the A340 order. Didn't they defer them in favor of secondhand DC-10s at first, before they eventually changed the order to A330s?

Correct, NW took secondhand DC-10-30s from a number of carriers, a bit like CO did.

ATDB shows NW ordering 10 A330-300 in Feb-89 (cancelled Feb-01); 6 A330-300 and 20 A340 in May-89 (cancelled Dec-92); 4 A340 (+6 options) in Aug-91 (cancelled Dec-92).

DocLightning wrote:
hOMSaR wrote:
Yflyer wrote:
It was late 1980s. I remember an old commercial aviation book from the late 80s that showed fleet lists and orders at the time, and it had NW with A340s on order.


And I would have given a gonad to have seen an A340 in the NW Bowling Shoe colors.

A GONAD.

Image

Again, according to ATDB NW was due to start taking A340-311 aircraft in Oct-93: -

N3401A msn 13 11/1993 - To VS as G-VBUS
N3402N msn 15 12/1993 - To VS as G-VAEL
N3403G msn 16 12/1993 - To VS as G-VSKY
N3404G msn 35 05/1994 - To LH as D-AIGF
N3405N msn 39 07/1994 - To GF as A4O-LB
N3406A msn 40 07/1994 - To GF as A4O-LC
N3407G msn 41 12/1994 - To TP as CS-TOA
N3408A msn 44 12/1994 - To TP as CS-TOB

A further 11 A340-311 and 11 A340-211 aircraft were supposedly on order (ATDB has registrations listed)

Polot wrote:
I believe CO also had A340 orders, but they were cancelled during their bankruptcy in the early 90s (pre Gordon Bethune, before anyone blames him).


In 11/1989 CO (Through Texas Air Corp) ordered 10 A330-300 and 10 A340-300. In 1990 3 A340s were swapped for A330s. The whole order was cancelled in 1993.

ATDB claims CO was to get: -

Nxxxxx msn 24 11/1993 - To LH as D-AIGB
Nxxxxx msn 35 05/1994 - To LH as D-AIGF (also shown as for NW - reallocated to CO after NW cancelled?)
Nxxxxx msn 37 06/1994 - Aircraft was built as A330-301 F-GMDB for IT
Nxxxxx msn 39 07/1994 - To GF as A4O-LB (also shown as for NW - reallocated to CO after NW cancelled?)
Nxxxxx msn 40 07/1994 - To GF as A4O-LC (also shown as for NW - reallocated to CO after NW cancelled?)
Nxxxxx msn 43 12/1994 - Aircraft was built as A340-211 F-GLZF for AF
Nxxxxx msn 45 12/1994 - Aircraft was built as A330-301 F-GMDC for IT


TWA also had 20 A330-342 aircraft that were ordered in 06/1989. 10 were cancelled quite quickly, but the remaining 10 remained deferred until 12/1999 when TW cancelled them and placed its order for 25 A318 aircraft.


I had a book from the early 1990s about airliners and it had drawings of a CO A340 (meatball colours) and a TWA A330 to illustrate the A330/A340 family! I think it is in store somewhere.
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Re: US Airline Future A340 Orders

Sat Jun 18, 2016 2:27 pm

Awesome, congrats a.net! 8-)
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Re: US Airline Future A340 Orders

Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:27 am

I checked out some of the posts on here from 1998. Man, A-Net really liked the A340 back then. I was just reading one where everyone thought Boeing should build a 777-sized aircraft with 4 engines to compete with the A340 (in addition to the already-in-profuction 777). :lol:
 
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Re: US Airline Future A340 Orders

Sun Jun 19, 2016 1:27 am

FlyCaledonian wrote:
And I would have given a gonad to have seen an A340 in the NW Bowling Shoe colors.


That would have been a sharp looking aircraft, this from someone that didn't like the bowling shoe colors on the 747/DC-10/DC-9
The 319/320 was okay..
 
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Re: US Airline Future A340 Orders

Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:42 am

Nothing like going back 20 years to tease people. Like going through a battlefield and bayoneting the wounded.
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Re: US Airline Future A340 Orders

Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:51 am

Damn.

I realized recently that the new A.net allowed easy access to prehistoric threads and even allowed replying to them.

I had half a mind to do some major thread archeology and go Jurrassic park on a few of them just for fun's sake...

It looks like it's happening on its own anyway, with Google helping some guys to fish them out.

This can be fun for a while, but those zombie threads popping up all the time could get seriously annoying after a while. I wonder if the devs can go and re-lock all of those.

I mean, there's only 5662 pages of them...
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Re: A340a

Sun Jun 19, 2016 4:12 am

jfk777 wrote:
The only continent where the A340 sold well was Europe: Iberia, Swiss, Lufthansa, Air France, Sabena, Olympic, Virgin Atlantic and SAS flew the A340.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion, when plenty of carriers in Asia had it too:

Cathay, China Eastern, Air China, Philippines, Air Asia X, Hainan, Kuwait, Emirates, Etihad, Qatar, Gulf, SriLankan, Azerbaijan, Singapore, Thai, China Airlines, and Brunei were all A340 operators.
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