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Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:25 pm

For me, the best thing about flying on a plane and sitting by the window near the wing is to watch the flaps! Anyone else agree with me??? !!

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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:27 pm

I dont know man. Its a toss up between the flaps and those clamshell reversers on a 737-200. Those are cool too.
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:31 pm

Flaps and Spoilers (the way they just THUMP up) for me.
 
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:00 pm

Perhaps the Air France Concord will still be with us if it was designed with flaps as well!
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:06 pm

All right...if I may pose a question...

I've always wondered, what are those thingies under the flaps? Those...look like canisters thingies.
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:09 pm

My guess, they are to keep the flaps from either going too far down or falling off.

I also love flaps and spoilers.
I love looking for pics here where the photagapher is right at the end of the runway and the plan is almost on top of him/her. The plane is rearing up to strike and land, with the flaps extended  Smile
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:16 pm

Yes! The majority of my flying is done through Southwest and unlike other airlines, you get to choose your seat. I head straight for rows 17 or 18 on those 737s to ensure my view behind the wing. Drives my family nuts as they cannot understand why I pass up so many perfectly good seats closer to the entrance to head straight for the back.

"I've always wondered, what are those thingies under the flaps? Those...look like canisters thingies."

I could be wrong but the "canoes" under the wings and flaps are simply nothing more than the housing for the flap mechanism. In other words, it holds the parts responsible for making the flaps move. They are just shaped like that for aerodynamic reasons.
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:18 pm

thanks for that answer...

yeah...i love flaps as well  Smile especially love when the spoilers go up and you see the insides of the plane.
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:18 pm

What's not to love?

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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:19 pm

Silver1SWA...u are so right. My family wonders why i wanna sit right behind the wing instead of like exit rows. Who cares about those exit rows...Show me the flaps!!!!!!!!
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:31 pm

I like watching the approach and the flex in the wing esp. the 777!


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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:48 pm

I'm always caught staring out the window on taxi out waiting for the pilots to test the flight controls. It's cool when you catch them and see the ailerons and spoilers move.
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:16 pm

I agree with you Chicago757. The 737 flaps are any thing spectacular neither are the ones on the 343. The L1011 are amazing especially on landing. I miss them.
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:00 pm

757 flaps are the best. Followed by 733,744,727/


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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:05 pm

I've always wondered, what are those thingies under the flaps? Those...look like canisters thingies.

Those are flap track fairings. There are jackscrews inside of the flap track fairings that help and force the flaps to go up or down. In the picture above, you see 2 flap track fairings on a 737NG. The 737NG has 4 flap tracks: 3 on the each wing and one in between the main gear wheel well and the wings.
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:19 pm

YES! Flaps were my FAVORITE! I've always wanted a model with them but now that I've "grown up"... I know that isn't really possible...:-(
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:48 pm

I like watching the approach and the flex in the wing esp. the 777!

Me too, B777 flaps really look like they're going to fall off, especially upon landing!
 
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Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:21 pm

Oh go on then... since you all seem to love flaps so much!

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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:27 pm

Thanks everyone! Makes me feel better to see so many of you enjoy this too!
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:45 pm

Chicago757

For me, the best thing about flying on a plane and sitting by the window near the wing is to watch the flaps! Anyone else agree with me??? !!


I must agree 110%  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I love it during the descend the air brakes applied AND when you touch down the FLAPS deployed!!!

I love it!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:50 pm

Flying on the ultimate flap machine next Friday....

....the BAE 146.

Just love to hear that banshee wail as the metal drops and the 146 points it's nose groundward.
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:50 pm

The best part from me, is as soon as the jet touches down, with the flaps already set at 30 degrees and then the spoilers are deployed followed by the thrust reversers. As the huge jet decelerates rapidly it shakes so hard and you get a good idea about the amount of power needed to slow down this jet. (777 landings are the best)
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:08 pm

I love this view from the window seat during the final leg of the flight!

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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:35 pm

I fully agree with you, flaps, spoilers and reversers are cool...
Even if the temperature is 40 Celsius...
So cool that I often ask the other pilot to do the approach and landing...
So I can sit in the cabin and watch flaps, spoilers and reversers.
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:45 pm

Count me in on that one too  Smile I always try to get a seat just at the trailing edge of the wing whenever possible to watch the flaps and the clamshells on the 737-200. Oh the noise, love that sound.

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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:01 pm

Was just on a AA777 and was AMAZED at the flap action!
There was this HUGE movement right next to the fuselage downward!
I had never noticed that part before, it went waaaay down.
I knew flaps were in parts on the wings but WHOA!
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:17 pm

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I fly a little myself, and inasmuch as the flaps and such
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are also to help land the plane!
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:39 pm

The most impressive flaps are are on the old types. I remember watching the flaps extend on a Comet 4C and could not believe that they went almost 180 degrees right before landing (note photographer's comment to picture):


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Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:53 am

Oh, why not!

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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:57 am

I LOVE flaps and spoilers... like some others have said, my traveling companions can never understand why I always want to sit behind the wing ("it'll take forever for us to get off the plane," they always whine. Who wants to get off the plane?)

I've seen some of you posting the photos taken during descent and landing that show the flaps lowered. I actually have a folder on my computer with almost 400 of those pictures that I've saved off Airliners.net.

I wish there were more videos taken from the cabin window during descent and landing. Every now and then there's one posted with a trip report, and I save that too.  Smile
 
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:06 am

I just love the noises they make.
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:09 am

For a long period of time I didn't pay attention to flaps, but on January 2004, I was flying on a B737NG and the flaps didn't go down. The landing approach was cancelled and the pilot had to lower flaps manually taking an extra 50 minutes in the air. Total time in the air for that flight was 7 hours 50 minutes, which is the longest B737NG flight I have been on... After this experience, I do put more attention to flaps, I like to see them go down.
 
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:09 am

A very nice shot of 747 flaps/spoilers in action:


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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:10 am

I think the most impressive flaps are Boeing 727. Those things just keep coming out of the wing its amazing. You can also see the jackscrews spinning when the flaps are being extended. And you can hear them from in the cabin  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:17 am

Who doesn't love 'em??


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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:24 am

The square shaped 'flap' in this picture -- center of the wing (don't know what its called) moves constantly during a 747-400's flight. What does it do?


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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:28 am

Chicago757 what a fantastic topic. Welcome to my respected users list. Flaps are phenomenal. I actually made my own photo album with those shots landing and right before landing. I agree with everyone I book flights and always try to get booked either, aft of the wing or near the engine so I can watch reverse thrust or flaps in action. It is just one of those things about flying and about machinery that really captivates the imagination of the engineers who put these birds together. With that I leave you with some shots:


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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:10 am

Oh man i love it sitting behind the flaps.Ever time i fly in a window seat,im stuck right in the perfect spot to see the flaps.It was really scary for me once when i was on a 777 for the first time.We were descending into heathrow(England looks cool from the air in the early morning in foggy weather) and the flaps just kept going down and down.i thought they would scrape the runway!  Wow!  Wow! lucky me it only looked like that,and when we landed i also got a glimpse of two concordes  Smile
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:18 am

Spike,

I'm not sure, but it may be a high speed aileron. On some large planes the regular ailerons near the wing tips are used. When one goes down, the one on the other wing goes up.

At higher speeds, the high speed aileron is used. It's just a portion of the wing, like a spoiler, that lifts up. That dumps some lift, and that wing will lower, causing the aircraft to bank in that direction.
 
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RE: Flaps! Love Em! Video

Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:39 am

Guys,

I posted up a video of flaps during a landing in a recent flight I was on... flaps spoilers, everything

http://www.georgesvanier.com/flapsvideo.avi 3.73MB
(You might need a AVI decorder or open with Quicktime)

Can you guys guess which aircraft, which airport (or even which airline!) this is?

Hint: South Park meets Big Apple

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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:52 am

Can't watch the video on my work PC but just looking at the wing... Could it be a Caravelle?
 
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:57 am

Second hint: not a propellar

It works on quicktime... and i know if u want to watch it on realplayer u need a decoder... let me know if ot doesnt work...
 
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Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:14 am

For sure that's a Fokker 70/100, don't know which airline or airport though. I'm guessing AA? And yes, I agree, it's great to see the whole wing "taken apart" during landing.
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:24 am

I say an AA F100 landing at LGA
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:27 am

Perhaps the Air France Concord will still be with us if it was designed with flaps as well!

...not that a delta-winged aircraft needs flaps--

but it may interest you to know that the defunct Concorde B-series was being designed with retractable slats.
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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:41 am

I love it during the descend the air brakes applied AND when you touch down the FLAPS deployed!!!

You're using the wrong terminology. When you touchdown the spoilers are immediately deployed.

I too love flaps! I'm such a freak about them and NOTHING beats the 747's flaps:

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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:52 am

Anybody with more videos like that please share!!!

Definitely an F100... might be LGA...

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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:22 am

Correct answer:

F100 landing in LGA
The airline was American Airlines
http://www.georgesvanier.com/flapsvideo.avi

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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:56 am


Spike,

The square shaped 'flap' in this picture -- center of the wing (don't know what its called) moves constantly during a 747-400's flight. What does it do?


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The square portion that you see is the inner aileron. On almost all boeing jets there is the outer aileron and inner one. The outer aileron is operational only when flaps are extended, during slow flight since both are required to produce the required amount of bank. When the flaps are retracted (during cruise or higher speeds) the outer aileron locks into position and cannot be moved and the inner aileron is enough to produce the required bank for turning. On Airbus jets there is only the outer aileron, and the flight computer recognizes the speed of the aircraft etc to produce different amounts of deflection in the aileron for the same amount of sidestick input. During high speeds the plane banks more for the same amount of "throw" if you will of the ailerons than in slow speeds. Hope that makes it easier to understand...

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RE: Flaps! Love Em!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 8:12 am

Hi, my name is Brian, and I'm a flap-a-holic.

I agree with you BA, nothing beats the flaps on a whale!

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