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je89_w
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Sat May 01, 2004 5:48 pm

Did anyone see the blaze at Sand Island today? It started burning around 5 PM, and still burning as I type (10:48 HST). From far, thought it was coming from the airport.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Apr/30/br/br01p.html
 
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Sat May 01, 2004 6:00 pm

Did anyone see all that smoke billowing from Sand Island? That must have affected air traffic a bit(?) for 8L/26R, and the 4s departures.

With the Jackie's Travel issues, World Airways may soon become a rarities to Hawaii skies, outside of military charters.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=413&e=2&u=/ibsys/20040501/lo_kitv/2186858

On a related note, I read in a magazine, I think it was AirlinerWorld, that WO is looking to replace their DC-10-30 and their MD-11s with 767s and 747s. Aren't there a bunch of VARIG, China (and Mandairin) MD-11s sitting in the deserts of AZ and CA? Oh well ...
 
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Sun May 02, 2004 2:26 am

Good morning fellow HNL spotters! As of 0715HST ... Looks like great weather today. The winds seem variable, and there may be a chance to have Kona conditions later on(?).

NH 742 (JA8174) is still on the NR @ Stand 1B. I can see the tail, but the rest of it is blocked by a building, so I can't tell if there is anything @ Stand 1A (like the AC 763 yesterday). HNL Flight Info only has the Air Japan Flt1051 to NRT as the only one of their flights. This 742 may return as NH1969 to CTS.

The UA 744 to SFO, is not in today. Right now there is a 752, and two 772s.

It still looks a bit hazy down that way. Probably residual smoke from yesterday's fire. Car tire fires are one of the hardest to put out. I wonder what the pilots must have thought?



Update on the N7 752s that passed through. Found out where they have gone ... to China.
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Sun May 02, 2004 9:10 am

Yep, there was something at stand 1A, a CO B764, followed by the NH B742, a JL B744, an OAI B752, and an OAI DC-10 . . . all on the north ramp. Full house today!

Turned Kona winds at around noon, the NH B742 was still at the hardstands when I left. Looks like it may leave tomorrow.

Didn't see a UA B744. No other NH B747 today either, although I did see NW's new color DC-10 arrive 08L, a JL B744 (old colors) takeoff runway 08R as JL8087, NW B744 old colors, two UA B772s depart, HA B763, and the usual inter island stuff.
 
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Sun May 02, 2004 7:48 pm

Just got home from my convention. Wow! The NR is full! The NH 742 is not scheduled to leave tomorrow. There is only NH1051 to NRT according to HNL flight info. So it may still be here another day or two.

Going to miss tomorrow too. There is Monday ...
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Mon May 03, 2004 9:19 am

Another new livery NW DC-10, this time N239NW. The ANA 742 was still parked at the NR.
 
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Mon May 03, 2004 1:34 pm

Just checked the HNL Flight Info site, looks like the NH 742 will be here at least til Tuesday.

Anything good happen today out @ HNL?
 
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Tue May 04, 2004 4:06 am

A new colors NW 744 arrived a few minutes ago from Japan. Will go out later to take a look. Seems like the tradewinds have returned.
 
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Tue May 04, 2004 9:01 am

Saw some contrails again, this time heading west. Saw the new colors NW 744 land. Out of 14 JAL/JALways flights, 10 were 747s, including 5 -400s. JA8912 ended up taking off from 8L. Also was able to see the island hopper CO 737 leave this morning.
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Tue May 04, 2004 9:21 am

After I left HNL to go back into town, I saw the retro colors TZ L-1011 climbing out from 8R. The pic is posted further up the thread. Got a shot of JA8174 resting on the NR.
 
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Tue May 04, 2004 1:18 pm

The retro ATA L-1011 is believed to be a military charter, flying HNL-SFO-BGE. Flight #4720.

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Tue May 04, 2004 2:28 pm

Je89_w

No the Mahalo air i saw at Lunken in Cincinnati was an F-27 but it was back in 1996 or 1997. Mahalo air didnt last long, I guess "Thank You" air really was the last thing they ever heard from their passengers, their parting words.

 
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Tue May 04, 2004 4:13 pm

Saw the contrails too, but not the plane.

If only JA8912 still had the Disney Sea colors . . . would have been great! Caught it only once in SIN back in 2001.
 
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Tue May 04, 2004 5:04 pm

The aircraft was too high and too far off shore to make out what kind of aircraft it was. I believe that it was a twin engined aircraft since you can usually make out the number of contrails as they start from the aircraft and I only saw two.

Also, I just noticed that there are many possible observation decks at the airport. On the original part of the Ewa Concourse (26-29) there are three balconies in between the gates on the third level. And the tires used on the jetways are aircraft tires. I noticed that one of the tires had "DC-9-30" and "aircraft tire" on it.

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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Tue May 04, 2004 5:55 pm

The NH 742 goes home tomorrow @ 1130 as NH1969 to CTS. Sayoonara!


I've seen a few contrails over Oahu over the years. Being a part-time videographer, I've been fortunate to catch some. Thank God for zoom lenses. I've seen a C-141B from the Diamond Head area. An MD-90 (yes that's right), but without the contrails, heard a jet, looked up, then zoomed in. I caught on film a four-engined jet, but can't tell what type, while spotting @ HNL, back in the mid-90s. I've seen one going north from the Ala Moana area, but no camera.

[Edited 2004-05-04 11:11:14]
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Wed May 05, 2004 9:11 am

The NH 742 departed around 1145. Who knows if it will ever return.

Other than that nothing special ...
 
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Wed May 05, 2004 1:37 pm

Here's some pics I took on Monday.


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About 15 minutes after taking the first picture, 2 more JAL 747s arrived for a total of 5 JAL 747s in a row. A -200, -400, -300, -200, -300 all lined up. If you add the CI 744 at 31 that's 6 747s in a row.


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I moved to 33 and caught JA8912 taxing out as JL8071 and N478HA taxi in. JA8912 later took off from 8L.


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Then just before leaving work, I said what the hell and took one last picture.
 
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Wed May 05, 2004 4:45 pm

Nice photos! Sure helps to have access to the flightline.  Smile
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Wed May 05, 2004 5:53 pm

In that photo, that is the first time I've seen the new colored JL B742 in HNL. Nice shots!
 
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Wed May 05, 2004 6:45 pm

Oops...Made a mistake. Actually, Gate 29 is a -300 and Gate 30 is a -400. Should have checked my ETA first. The regs were: 26-JA8150, 27-JA8912, 28-JA8184, 29-JA8166, and 30-JA8073.
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Thu May 06, 2004 7:57 am

Did anyone mangage to get the QFLink Dash8?

Does anyone know if JL has ever flown their 772s to HNL?



From next year, the C-17A will be a common sight with the 15th AW coming on-line. Right now we get to see one from Washington and North Carolina.

It's too bad that the MD-17 hasn't caught on. Would be cool to see an FX or 5X MD-17 by the south ramp, and taxiing on RT to depart on 8R or 26L.
 
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Thu May 06, 2004 1:51 pm

QF Link Dash 8s are something that would appear out of the blue. It seems to come unexpectedly.

Same goes for the FM and MF B757s which were supposed to stop by HNL for its delivery flight, although so far nobody saw any. I believe the first one was supposed to come in April, according to a link Clickhappy posted (somewhere above in this thread).



I don't believe JL has sent any B772s to HNL yet. The international B772s (JA701J - JA70*J) fly within Asia, and Europe, whereas JL's other B772s (JA89** and JA77*J) are for domestic use and would fly within Japan. There is a chance that we'll see a JA70*J in HNL soon, I'm guessing after the DC-10s are retired.

If I'm not mistaken, JL's B773s are for domestic uses only.
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Thu May 06, 2004 6:56 pm

There's been talk on other threads about AQ adding more west coast flights, and AA requesting HNL - AA), Japan">NRT service. More planes to take photos of.  Smile

Kamaka Air has moved all of its ops to the old Genavco hangar, and replaced the sign out front.. Their Beech 18s are parked in front.

Air Canada has begun reducing the flights due to seasonal traffic.

Will go spotting on Saturday.
 
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Fri May 07, 2004 6:59 pm

The weather forecast is calling for variable winds for the next few days. May there be some Kona winds  Big grin

Another NH flight from CTS is HNL bound with an ETA of 0725, with no return flight tomorrow, y'all know what that means? Parking @ HS1A would be real cool. The question is how many days is it staying? Is it a 742 or 744. FC does not have this flight listed, but HNL Flight Info does. Will definitely go out tomorrow!
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Sat May 08, 2004 9:33 am

The winds shifted while I was in the area, and had some time to spot. Got some JL DC-10s and 747s. Finally got a pic of the ATI DC-8-62 taxiing to 26L.

Seen an AQ 73G depart 26R as AAH109 to LIH, I guess they are using the 73Gs as subs, or testing them as -200 replacements(?). Also a JL 744 (JA8912) depart 22L as JAL8089. Must have been rather light to go off 22L.

Pray that the Kona's stick around tomorrow.
 
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Sat May 08, 2004 10:30 am

AQ frequently flies the -700 as subs for interisland. They have only 10 -200s in pax config. They routinely have 2 -200s in the hanger going through maintenance everyday and fly between 7-10 lines a day. The QCs do not change back to pax config anymore. So, if they fly more than 8 lines, they are already short of aircraft. Also, they fly the -700 interisland after certain engine maintenance to basically do tests for a few cycles.

The -700 actually sucks for regular interisland use. The engines are not made for the ultra-short, high frequency flights and suffer from the same problems as the -300s and -400s had back in the early '90s.
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Sun May 09, 2004 3:10 am

Noticed on FC:

Airline Ryan Intl Airlines
Flight Number 502
Departure City (Airport) Oakland, CA (OAK)
Departure Time 05/07/2004 02:30 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Honolulu, HI (HNL)
Arrival Time 05/07/2004 04:44 PM
Remaining Flight Time 00:00
Aircraft Type Boeing 757-200
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Arrived

Who are they flying for now? AFAIK, SunTrips is using North American from OAK now.

David / MRY
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Sun May 09, 2004 3:17 am

Forgot to mention I did not see the NH1970 flight from CTS that was on schedule. The only NH plane @ HNL was their 763 that flies their NRT - HNL - NRT flight as NQ1052/NQ1051. Don't know if the flight was canceled, or if it was an error.
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Sun May 09, 2004 8:53 am

The winds are blowing from the south, the traffic pattern changed around 1000HST. Thought I missed the PR A340 (dep time 0945), but I guess it was delayed, it passed by the GenAv lot around 1045, and got my shot of it, finally. Also got pics of a UA772ER (UA879), KE 772ER (KE052), an NW744 (NW009) new colors, and a bunch of usual stuff.

Saw a few JL 747s take off from 22L, they must have been kind of light.

Saw the Ryan 752 depart 22L. It was all-white, no markings. Didn't grab my binocs in time to get the reg#.
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Sun May 09, 2004 9:08 am

Just came back from the north shore, and noticed the Kona patterns too. Too tired to go out though, with a bit of rest, I may go tomorrow.

So far, no JL MD-11?
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Sun May 09, 2004 9:39 am

I think the MD-11 was a fluke. From what I've read, JL is getting rid of them. I'm not sure how many are left.

Might be worth checking out. Just on the odd chance a pax MD-11 may be here.  Smile I'm not sure if I'll be going.

Haven't seen the LH MD-11Fs, was hoping one would have passed by the GenAv lot.

Pray that the Kona's stick around past tomorrow.

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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Sun May 09, 2004 10:11 am

On May 1, the MD-11 appeared in KOA, of all the places. I was out in HNL seeing JL B747s instead of an MD-11.

Saw an LH MD-11 land on 26R once, in the afternoon. I checked FC and it was a new LH flight (something like LH8404 or something).

One of my best shots in HNL is an LH MD-11:

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Sun May 09, 2004 2:59 pm

The last time a JL MD-11 was in Hawaii was either April 28 or 29. I checked the stats for May 1 and it showed a DC-10 not MD-11.
 
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Sun May 09, 2004 5:07 pm

You know, you guys absolutely amaze me. Thank God I know the various airports in Hawai'i. Otherwise I would be lost....Being akamai about things, I really enjoy your discussions. It brings back wonderful memories of MANY trips to the islands. As Mark Twain so aptly put it, "The loveliest fleet of islands that lie anchored in any ocean." If readers are interested, the aircraft and airport photos show the terrific airports and local design. KOA is probably the most beautiful airport in the world (IMHO)! Now that the trees have grown around HNL, it too looks terrific.

Mahalo nui loa for all your kokua about "HNL rare birds..." To me, it's like paradise for airline and aircraft spotting (It's even better sitting on the beach at Waikiki - ALL of the spotting there is great!). If the public only knew about the design of the airports. The open air, exposure to the weather, and that (to me) great smell of jet fuel. HNL is one of the reasons aviation is so important and meaningful to me.

Again, Mahalo me ka Aloha nui loa.

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Sun May 09, 2004 6:22 pm

You know ... Kona wind days are actually a double blessing. I mean one can spot from Waikiki as the airliners make their final past Waikiki AND watch girls on the beach between planes. It can get a bit distracting. Been there ... done that. Which one is the distraction? I'll leave that to your own opinions.  Big grin

I'm glad we can bring a little aloha to the world, by this one little thread.
 
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Mon May 10, 2004 5:40 am

. . . and looks like its Kona winds today!  Big grin

Was watching some stuff from my lanai, and the tower cleared a KE aircraft (Korean 51, no heavy) takeoff from runway 08L. It squinted my eyes to see if I were seeing things, from what it appeared to be a A330/B738 aircraft without titles. After pondering over it for a while, I still believe it's a B772 with titles because it was the correct flight number for that flight. Plus I didn't wake up too long ago when I saw it.

Then a few minutes later the ATC called runways 22 and 26 in use. Spotted some aircraft, like an FJ B738 that departed runway 26R and made an unusually very sharp turn for YVR.
 
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Mon May 10, 2004 5:45 am

After checking FC, that KE flight (KE51) was a go-around. And it was a B772.
 
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Mon May 10, 2004 7:21 am

Bluewave et all fans,

Have to shares something with y'all. I went out sailing on Friday night off of Waikiki and all I can say is, you gotta love Kona winds. Between being out on the ocean, with Waikiki in the distance and all of those early evening a/c coming in over you, life can't get any better than that. I was out with a bunch of pilots from AQ and we were all in "spotters" heaven. Oh, and the sunset wasn't bad either from out there.

AQ seems to be using the 73NG more and more for inter-island hops. Even saw one with winglets come in on Friday evening and it had to be from an outer island, as all of the West Coast flights were in already, or at least they should have been.

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Mon May 10, 2004 11:41 am

Spent about an hour and a half out at HNL, spotted with Je89_w. We had some great photo ops from the GenAv lot of heavies taxiing out to 26L. I know he got a few great photos, can't wait to see them.

Saw an HA 712 take off from 22L. That's a rarity!

Finally got the LH MD-11F! Was just about to leave, when I heard ATC told it to hold short of Rwy 22L on T/W F. Stuck around an extra several minutes to get the shot of D-ALCJ.  Smile

Saw one dude standing on shoulder of Lagoon Drive at the approach end of 26R, taking pics of arriving AQ, HA, and WP planes, head on views only. Really wouldn't advise that, especially since he was standing in the no parking 800 ft approach zone. I wonder if Akal, or HSD checked him out.

Seems like more and more people are going out to the GA lot to take photos. Seen a lot of new faces recently. Think the Kona's had a lot to do with it.

There's a new Shorts SD360 @ the TransAir ramp. It has a purple and green tail, it's a pax version, and had "Interisland Airways" titles. I saw seats outside of the SD360, so I'm guessing it's going to converted to a cargo version? The reg# is N351TA. The photo below is the only 1 of 2 on the database, but of another airline.

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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Mon May 10, 2004 12:16 pm

Went out today and saw Bluewave707 at the GA lot, decided to go out since the winds were southerly. Spotted a bunch of stuff, highlights being a NW new color DC-10 and an AC B762.

I also think that the Kona-winds weather is attracting more new faces too. When traffic uses 04/08, there are less people spotting.

Saw the Shorts 360 you pointed out . . . very interesting! Something I have to look out for now.  Smile
 
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Mon May 10, 2004 3:00 pm

There's a new Shorts SD360 @ the TransAir ramp. It has a purple and green tail, it's a pax version, and had "Interisland Airways" titles. I saw seats outside of the SD360, so I'm guessing it's going to converted to a cargo version? The reg# is N351TA. The photo below is the only 1 of 2 on the database, but of another airline.

That Shorts 360 was just ferried in, it's going to be flying for Trans Air and the paint scheme you saw is the new one Trans Air will be using. Those seats you saw are going in after the ferry tanks are removed from the cabin. It looks like Trans Air will be getting back into flying people around.

I'm guessing that the Shorts has about 36 seats inside, this means Trans Air will need to get a part 121 operating certificate if they intend to fly pax in it. One thing I do know about airline ops is that getting a 121 certificate is not an easy thing to do.

Interesting name they have chosen for thier new operation, wasn't Hawaiian known as Interisland Airways way back when?

T prop.
 
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Mon May 10, 2004 5:29 pm

I got a shot of the new SD360. I'll be posting it on myaviation.net within the next day or so. I tried to get the best shot I could, considering the halekoa bushes blocking the way. I'm going to get another shot within the week. If any of you HNL spotters have ramp access, please get a shot of it and post it! Hint: the livery is similar to TransAir's.

I remember TransAir (P6) had pax ops several years ago with their C402s. If they get more SD360 pax versions, sounds like they are going to compete against WP and their Dash8s.

Yes, rather ironic that HA's original identity was InterIsland Airways. I'm guessing that HA does not own the rights to that name any more.
 
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Tue May 11, 2004 2:43 pm

The winds shifted for about an hour or two around 1100. There was a huge black cloud hovering over HNL, but only drizzled. Went down to get more shots of the InterIsland Airways SD360, and got a better angle from over the fence, and found a gap between the haolekoa bushes. However, a shot from the ramp side would be better. Hint ...

Also wanted to get shots of AQ and HA jets landing on 26R, but was there during the lull. Stuck around for 30 mins., nothing else special. The winds shifted back around 1300.

The Ryan International 752 was parked @ Gate 7. The same all-white one that was in and out over the weekend.
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Wed May 12, 2004 3:26 am

The North American 752 @ HS1B has been sitting there for quite a few days. Are they flying tour charters?

When does HMY start service to HNL from YVR?
 
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Wed May 12, 2004 6:18 pm

Here is the 1st photo of the InterIsland Airways SD360. The TransAir ramp is obstructed by haolekoa bushes. I'll be posting more shots later, from a slightly different angle.

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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Thu May 13, 2004 9:31 am

Wow! Everyone's been rather quiet ...



HNLFB told me a couple of weeks ago that UA will be flying 744s into HNL from SFO. Well, sitting @ Gate 7 is ... a UA 744! I just saw it from my lanai.

He said according to his sources, it may go up to two 744 flights from SFO a day.
 
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Thu May 13, 2004 10:32 am

I've been working inside and haven't had much opportunity to get out on the ramp since. The only thing I get to see is the interisland traffic pass by. Although I have seen Alpine Air pass by a bunch of times heading for the commuter terminal. I actually hate it when the AQ -200s stop right outside waiting for another AQ aircraft to pushback and taxi out. It is impossible to hear when the loadmaster is calling over the radio.
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Thu May 13, 2004 6:34 pm

Haven't missed much in the last couple days... traffic from Japan should be back to normal since Golden Week is over.

Definitely plan to go out on Saturday.

Seen the winds shift around 1730, but don't know how long it lasted. I guess it's back to normal since I just saw something land on 4R.
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Fri May 14, 2004 10:23 am

Nothing so far, seems pretty dead. Passed by the airport this afternoon and saw a North Amercian B752 on the North Ramp, that's it.

Wow, B744s of UA to SFO? I plan to get out one of these mornings!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Too bad the Golden Week is over, missed my chance to get the JL MD-11s.
 
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Fri May 14, 2004 11:41 am

Yesterday's UA 744 was there until late afternoon. It must have left in the evening. I just looked out my window, but no UA 744. There are 2 772s and a 763.

Got a better shot of the InterIsland SD360 submitted to both a.net and myav.net.
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