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Bluewave 707
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HNL Rare Birds ...

Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:20 pm

This is a continuation of "HNL Rarities ..." which was locked at 808. Coincidence? Great job HNL Spotters! Thanks to everyone who contributed to "HNL Rarites", especially those around the world. We will continue in the same manner.

[Edited 2004-03-27 04:26:45]

[Edited 2004-03-27 04:47:14]
 
clipperhawaii
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RE: HNL Rare Birds

Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:24 pm

Overhead...our "Little Corner in the Pacific".



You can click here to get a HNL NOS chart.

http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco/online/airportdiagrams/00754AD.pdf




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clipperhawaii
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:19 pm

Thanks Bluewave! The goal for all of us here in HNL is to share what is arriving and departing not only to us local guys but to anyone who is interested in aviation as a whole, here in Hawaii.
We have a unique place here, and hopefully we can share it with people who are coming to HNL or wish to come. A big thanks should be said to those who have supported, and continue to support "HNL Rarities" and all that it means via the kind words on here and via e-mail. The positive response has been enormous.

Aloha to all of you.

Clipperhawaii

 
je89_w
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RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:10 pm

Here are the current stats from "A 727 And Two 737s @ HNL ...":

A 727 And Two 737s @ HNL ...
(https://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1313197)
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  • HNL Rarities ...
    (https://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1343553/)
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  • Username—Number of Replies
    Bluewave 707—243
    Je89_w—169
    HNLFlyboy—84
    Ha763—75
    Clipperhawaii—31
    Kalakaua—29
    Hawaiian717—24
    T prop—24
    Jet-a gasguy—23
    Clickhappy—18
    B4real—11
    EMBQA—6
    Q330—5
    BN747—5
    Aloha73g—4
    WesternDC1010—4
    HawaiianHobo—4
    Britair—3
    Aussie747—2
    DC3CV3407AC727—2
    Trey—2
    QantasA332—2
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    Trijetfan1—2
    ETA Unknown—2
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    AirGabon—1
    FrequentFlyKid—1
    Worldoftui—1
    VC-10—1
    Kevin—1
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    Commander_Rabb—1
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  • HNL Rare Birds ...
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    Bluewave 707—2
    Clipperhawaii—2
    Je89_w—2
    AviatorTJ—1


  • Total = 911 (eek)

    Thanks to everyone who contributed to the three threads!  Big thumbs up




    [Edited 2004-03-27 06:29:04]

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    je89_w
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:17 pm

    Watced the NZ A320 takeoff from my lanai this morning, at 08:43. Very cloudy at the time so no use for taking photos anyway.
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:41 pm

    Clipperhawaii,

    Thanks for those kind words & support.



    Je89_w,

    Wow! Thanks for posting the breakdown, that must have took some work.



    AviatorTJ,

    If you don't like what you are reading? Please, don't click on this thread any longer.
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:42 pm

    Continuing the talk about the REX Saab 340. EMBQA, thanks for the heads up about the delay. Will keep an eye out for it tomorrow, or Sunday. I'll re-send the photos.

    Saw the AC A330 at Hardstand 3, as Ha763 wrote. Normally, the aircraft(s) that AC flies in and out of HNL is either the 767 or on real heavy loads A340s. The AC A330 is not common to HNL.

    Clipperhawaii, thanks for posting the 1st reply, and the heads up about "HNL Rarities ..."

    Pray for clear weather tomorrow!

    This post is a re-type, the original got deleted. Though I don't know why, there was relevant info. Oh well.

    Checked FC does not have any rare birds listed for tomorrow.
     
    ua935
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:45 pm

    Glad to see this thread going again under a different heading, still spreading the Aloha spirit around the globe.

    Keep up the good work.

    Regards Simon.
     
    je89_w
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:50 pm

    Ua935, thanks for the support!

    The Airport website has an NH B747 coming in from Chitose tomorrow morning, thought FC only has the regular B763 flight.
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:12 pm

    Ua935,

    Glad to hear from you again! Thanks for your support all the way from the UK. Aloha!



    I will post the NH 747 variant tomorrow morning when I look out my window. The NQ 763 has been parking on the UA side of HNL, but the NH 742s, and 744s have been put at Gate 19 the last couple of times they were here. I can see parking on the UA side since NH (and NQ) are members of the Star Alliance, which is why AC parks on that side as well.



    I have also found that FC does not post all the commercial flights too.



    For those new to this thread (or to refresh your memory), I thought I would list the abbreviations of locations around HNL that will be commonly referred to in this thread:
    LD: Lagoon Drive
    ESR: Elliott Street Ramp
    NR: North Ramp (also UCF: UA Cargo Facility)
    SR: South Ramp
    GA: General Aviation lot
    BA: Bradley Aviation
    WP: Island Air lot
    PK: Palekona lot
    CA: Century Aviation
    ASH: AirService Hawaii
    FC: http://www.FlyteComm.com (okay, it's a website)
     
    pilottim747
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:03 am

    Ok, HNL really needs a website for aviation enthusiasts. It's obvious that there is enough demand for it. Check out MSP Update for a little insipiration from a colder side of the world.

    pilottim747
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:53 am

    The NH 747 from CTS is a -400, and parked @ Gate 18. It's scheduled to depart @ 1130.
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:36 am

    It amazes me how some people in this entire forum are jealous of others' successes. Your very own success is right in front of you. It's whether you choose to see it, or turn blind away from it. Success is also parked in the 6 inches of real estate between your ears, and the way you think. Everyone can be successful, and it's up to you to seize the opportunity that will take you there. All it boils down to is the way you think, and how you develop your character.

    It's interesting that the posts from our international friends have been all positive. Those that have been negative have come from the US. Well it is their God-given right to free speech, and I will give that much. I am not down on them, it is their right. Don't get me wrong, there have been some positive words coming from others on the mainland. I am very thankful for the words of encouragement and support from those outside the Hawaiian Islands

    I am an American as well, but I (and the regulars on this and the past HNL threads) have chosen to remain positive in (as Clipperhawaii so distinctly puts it) "Our little corner of the Pacific".

    I wonder if people realize that when they click on a thread, it adds to the "Views", and when they post something (+ or -) it adds to the thread.

    Like I've always said, if you do not want to read what's going on @ HNL, please do not click on the thread link. Seems simple enough to me.

    I just want to say this once and for all in a manner not offensive or demeaning to anyone. We here on this thread want to exemplify the "Aloha Spirit" on a.net and the Internet.
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 9:05 am

    Went out from around 1030, winds were calm 'til almost noon, then went Kona's, and so did the traffic. Spotted with Je89_w, a cool guy, looks like he got some great shots, can't wait to see the photos.

    N88ZL, a privately-owned 707-300 is back @ HNL, and parked @ ASH. It arrived right before I was about to leave. Stayed long enough to get a shot of it taxiing in.
     
    je89_w
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:54 am

    Just came back from lunch, what a hot day!  Wow!

    Was out with Bluwave this morning at HNL. I finally managed to get one of those NH B747s, unfortunately a -400 instead of a -200 (no Pokemon either). But, I'm still happy nonetheless.  Smile

    MyAviation.net photo:
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    MyAviation.net photo:
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    Too bad the NH B744 took off before the ATC switched it to Konas. Before 2002, the NH B742s were regular visitors, but now all gone before I could get a good shot of it.

    Ah, glad to catch N88ZL today!  Smile

    Also spotted some JAL B747s, a PR A343, a KE B772, a 5X B763, an FX MD-11, and an NW B742 in the new livery.

    REX Saab is not listed on FC. Let's see what happens.
     
    pilottim747
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:06 pm

    Bluewave 707, I think you're getting the negative feedback about HNL all wrong. It's not HNL that people are bashing, its this thread. I think HNL is an awesome airport and I'm very happy that HNL spotters are active at the airport.

    I do find this thread annoying, however, and I think getting a website is a great idea for you guys. You're right, I don't have to click on the thread, however it's still there everytime I log on to the forum. It's like a fly that's in the room with you, buzzing around, eventhough it doesn't land on you.

    pilottim747
     
    clipperhawaii
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:48 pm

    For those wondering the significance of "808", it is the area code for Hawaii.

    Finding this thread annoying is quite funny. Perhaps it's the same old thing. We are in Hawaii and you are not. For a lot of people that's a tuff thing.
    Who can blame them?

    today's WX


    Feels Like: 80 ° Dewpoint: 70 º
    Barometer: 30.02 in and falling Wind: SW 10 mph
    Humidity: 71% Sunrise: 6:29 am
    Visibility: 100 mi Sunset: 6:45 pm

    Basically a bad day in Honolulu.  Smile

    One area that is missed regarding rarebirds in HNL are all the ferry flights of small aircraft that transit through Hawaii on delivery flights or round the world flights. Some of these flights are true records.

    I can remember Linda Finch retracing Amelia Earhart's around the world flight in the Lockheed L-10 Electra back in 1987.

    That aircraft was indeed a rear bird for us here in HNL.


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    ha763
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:42 pm

    Almost forgot, there was an UPS 747 in HNL on Thursday taxiing out to the Reef Runway around 9:00 (if I remember correctly). It was the first time I could remember in a long time I saw UPS fly something other than a 767 into HNL. It was in the old colors.

    There are much more annoying threads in this forum, like A vs. B, NW's old planes, so and so airline sucks, ptv's, aircraft for future flights, etc. And those threads occur often and always bring up the same info and/or arguments. It doesn't matter if it is the first thread listed or not, I don't read threads that I have no interest in or I find annoying.
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:46 pm

    Just checked both FC and HNL Info. FC does not have anything rare on tap. There may be another NH 747 in town tomorrow. The flight is listed as NH1969 scheduled to depart @ 1130. HNL Info has it listed, but FC doesn't.

    Will post 747 variant and wind pattern tomorrow morning. Kona's would be nice to catch the NH 747 on RT.
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:15 pm

    The REX Saab SF340 should be parked @ BA, as it was the last time one was here.
     
    je89_w
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:23 pm

    Hey Bluewave, is this the TZ L-1011 you saw? It's N188AT, and in January 2004, she still wore the full livery.

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    Phaeton
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:29 pm

    I'm just going to post here, so that I am included in the historic "HNL Rarities ..." Part 2 thread. I've been to Hawaii two times and loved it.

    Cheers!

    Thomas
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:50 pm

    Je89_w,

    That TZ L1011 is the one! Guess TZ wanted to be low key when flying our troops to the Middle East. Saw this TriStar on the 25th, as TZ7141, landing and taxiing to HIK.

    Uploaded today's pix on MA.net tonight, should be up in a few days. Also added a few shots from the 24th too.

    Thanks for hangin' out & spotting today. Did you get more shots after the 707?
     
    je89_w
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 8:29 pm

    Can't wait to see you photos from today. Should post my photos from today soon.

    Thanks, nice to see you too. Usually out at HNL by myself, nice change.

    After the B703 came in, I took a quick swing at WP to photograph the Coast Guard Gulfstream jet. Then I headed for lunch since I was too hot, sunburnt, and wasted.
     
    DC3CV3407AC727
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 10:57 pm

    keep the faith,keep the post going,passed thru your island paradise on a ferry trip back in '91 as previously mentioned,can't wait to come back,but in the cockpit, this is a good thread not an annoying one. Aloha!
     
    funflyer
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:17 pm

    I'm going to Hawaii again in April!!!!!!!!!!!!



    Yay for me!!!  Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Mon Mar 29, 2004 4:44 am

    The NH 747 info:

    Airline All Nippon Airways
    Flight Number 9410
    Departure City (Airport) Tokyo, Japan (RJTT)
    Departure Time 03/28/2004 11:42 PM
    Arrival City (Airport) Honolulu, HI (HNL)
    Arrival Time 03/28/2004 08:52 AM
    Remaining Flight Time 00:12
    Aircraft Type Boeing 747-200
    Current Altitude 41,000 feet
    Current Groundspeed 552 mph
    Flight Status In Flight

    It will park @ Gate 31 according to HNL Info. ATIS reports wind is calm. It could swing to Konas, like yesterday.
     
    clipperhawaii
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Mon Mar 29, 2004 6:01 am

    Today's "Rare Birds Blast from the Past".

    It's not like this anymore!

     
    je89_w
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Mon Mar 29, 2004 9:56 am

    Wow, thanks for posting that Clipperhawaii! Times have really changed.

    Saw Bluewave today at HNL for the departure of the NH B742. Also saw the REX jet in front of Anderson Aviation.
     
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    hawaiian717
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:14 pm

    Well, I'm back in MRY after spending a few days in HNL. Didn't get out to the airport for photos, I was too busy, and as you all know the weather could have been better. Got a few from the terminal on the day I left (Saturday). I posted a trip report in the Trip Reports forum.

    Saw the Coast Guard Gulfstream and the 707 during our takeoff roll on 22L. Most of the interesting aircraft I saw were at LAX though...

    David / MRY
     
    miamix707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Mon Mar 29, 2004 4:17 pm

    That 707 was here in Miami about 2 weeks ago. It spent a few weeks for maintenance.

    I'm curious if someone can tell me which airlines can be spotted regularly at HNL that can't be seen in nowhere else in the US mainland.
     
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    hawaiian717
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Mon Mar 29, 2004 4:26 pm

    MIAMIx707 wrote:
    I'm curious if someone can tell me which airlines can be spotted regularly at HNL that can't be seen in nowhere else in the US mainland.

    Local Airlines:
    Island Air
    Corporate Air
    Pacific Wings
    Trans Air

    International Airlines:
    Royal Tongan
    Polynesian

    David / MRY
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:06 pm

    The people @ Anderson don't mind us taking photos, that's great news to hear. So they let you get a shot of the REX Saab 340 from their office?

    In response to N88ZL, the 703 @ ASH, it was here a few weeks ago. I am not sure how frequently it passes through HNL, but I have seen it here before that.

    Non-mainland international carriers in HNL:
    Asia Pacific Airlines (I know Guam is a US Territory, but considered "international" by USC & INS)


    Corrections:
    Air Pacific does fly to LAX from Nandi, Fiji with a 744, unless the route has been stopped.

    Corporate Air is based in Billings, MT
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:43 am

    FC reports another NH ferry flight listed as NH9404 from Osaka (RJBB), a 744. HNL Info has the return flight listed as NH1956 going to Sendai (SDJ).

    HNL ATIS (info G), has the taxiways around the approach end of 8L are closed, like it was a couple of weeks ago, so access to 8R is limited. All commercial departures are on 8L.
     
    Tom in NO
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:39 am

    Interesting couple of threads you all have going here. We're always interested in seeing new and different aircraft down here, as well.

    Just a thought, but have you all considered setting up a Yahoo club or similar? There's a really good and informative club on Mojave run by a Mojave employee. You could put maps, photos, spotters info, etc on it, and really jazz it up.

    Tom at MSY
     
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:15 am

    Clipperhawaii:

    Was disappointed when I got off my DL 767 in HNL in March of last year and didn't find a group of grass-skirted girls waiting to put a lei around my neck. Had to go out and buy my own to take back as a souvenir. Wish I could have spent more time at HNL spotting, but duty called, and I had to work. Maybe next time.
     
    ha763
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:00 am

    Didn't really see anything rare, but did see a CI 744 and a bunch of KC-135s take off from 8L. I was at Gate 26 and the CI 744 was already off the ground before passing Gate 28. It would be a good guess that it only used around 6000 ft to get off the ground.
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:59 am

    Seen some heavies depart from my place. One was a JL DC-10-40, I believe it was JL087. It used a lot of runway, but managed to make the right turn pretty quick. Saw the NH 744 go, must have been pretty light, since he rotated quite early. Probably like the CI 744 above.



    Seems like you have to be a tourist from Japan in a tour group to get a lei from a pretty bikini-clad local girl, and a picture with them. There may be some for mainland tourists, but rare.
     
    ha763
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:42 am

    Many mainland tourists also get lei greetings. Tour wholesalers, like PHH, offer it as part of their packages or as an add on. Otherwise, you or someone else can arrange with the many lei greeter companies to meet your flight and give you a lei. BTW, there are no grass skirt lei greeters anymore.
     
    je89_w
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:31 pm

    08R access limited again????? After my break????? Fantastic.  Insane  Yeah sure

    As for the REX Saab, got to walk around her on the ramp. Pretty cool, and my shots turned out nice. Will post them soon.

    Early liftoff for the CI and NH B744! The earliest liftoff I've seen was a JL B742 infront of WP. I read somewhere that posting a Jetphotos.net link here is against the rules for this site, so to see the JL B742 photos, go to the main page of Jetphotos.net, and search for JAL B747-200 under my name in HNL and should lead you right to it.
     
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:32 pm

    If you don't want this thread deleted please desist from posting personal messages.
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:52 pm

    Will post ATIS info tomorrow morning if any taxiways are closed, curious to know what kind of work is being done on those taxiways, and causing the closures. I've noticed that @ SEA and LAX have flushed mounted lights. Could that be it?


    Does anyone know if the last ADB An-124 flight on the 24th had anything to do with the Moscow State Circus that ran over the weekend?


    Guess we can't, or not supposed to address each other in the thread. Message received ... I apologize to you all for any inconveniences and lost posts. We did lose some interesting posts.

    [Edited 2004-03-30 11:19:09]

    [Edited 2004-03-30 11:24:46]
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:43 am

    HNL ATIS info "E" has the taxiways [around the approach end of 8L] closed again today, 8R access is limited. More of the same ... FC has no rare flights listed.

    That means planes will have to take the long way to get out to 8R.
     
    ha763
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:18 am

    All traffic was using 8L. I was working at Gate 31/33 and almost every flight I saw was off the ground by the time it passed me, which would be about 6000 ft or less. Saw 2 UA 777s, UA 767, NW 744, JL DC-10, 2 KC-135s, C-40, and the usual AQ 737s and HA 717s.

    The NW 744's (N670US-The Alliance Sprit) paint was in pretty bad shape with several areas peeled off and showing the primer underneath. Wonder if it will be getting the new livery soon?

    JAL also had an extra Flt 79, JL79D, today. It was due to yesterday's flight being delayed 20 hrs. Arrived around 0750 and was the DC-10 I saw taking off on 8L.

    The 707 was still parked on the SR.
     
    Bluewave 707
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:28 pm

    There is an unmarked A310 @ hardstand 5. It has a white fuselage with a black tail and wing fences. There were a couple of AQ trucks around it, I guess it was preparing to leave, or maybe arrived.. It was too far to see the reg #.

    Does anyone have any info on this bird? Or where it's going?

    There was an Atlas 747F in the same spot this morning, one of those unmarked ones (white with a navy blue tail)
     
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Wed Mar 31, 2004 2:08 pm

    In 1999, I saw a China Airlines A300-600 on the ramp. Or thought I did. Kind of far from home for an Taipei-based A300. Has anyone else seen that before?
     
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:27 pm

    All traffic was using 8L. I was working at Gate 31/33 and almost every flight I saw was off the ground by the time it passed me, which would be about 6000 ft or less. Saw 2 UA 777s, UA 767, NW 744, JL DC-10, 2 KC-135s, C-40, and the usual AQ 737s and HA 717s.

    Except for a Phillippine A340, it taxied across echo to the south side and then out to 8R. A long taxi when they could have used 8L and saved about 3 extra miles of taxying. Why would they do this when every other heavy was using 8L?

    T prop.
     
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:05 pm

    I thought I'd could sit quietly by, but I have to jump in here. Those nay-sayers who don't like this thread are certainly not aware of the history Honolulu and Oah'u have played in aviation development. The original Pan Am clippers (flying boats) landed at Pearl Harbor. NO aircraft crossed the mid-Pacific without a stop in Honolulu. I remember the original BOAC (that's right BOAC) 707's stopping enroute between TYO and SFO on an around-the-world flight. United bought the DC-8-62's for nonstop East Coast - Hawaii non-stops - the precursor to the 747SP and 747-400. At one time QF flew around-the-world through HNL with their Lockheed Constellations, without even considering the Canadian Pacific Britannia's enroute from YVR to AKL and SYD.

    Hawai'i and, particularly the airports on Oah'u, were crucial in the development of trans-oceanic air travel. If you don't know the history and background of Hawai'i and it's distinctive role in aviation history, then just sit back and read - and LEARN!

    Mahalo - I feel better, now.....
     
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:01 pm

    Awesome post Tbear. Indeed HNL is the crossroads of the Pacific and is incredibly rich with aviation history.

    Today's "Rare birds blast from the past".



    Between May 31 and June 9, 1928, Sir Charles Kingsford Smith and his crew took off from Oakland, California, and arrived in Brisbane via Honolulu and Fiji eight days later. Making the first air crossing of the Pacific.

    Having landed at Wheeler field on Oahu, "Smitty" opted to depart from Barking Sands on Kauai for safety reasons as the fully loaded Southern Cross took to the skies for the Nadi Fiji leg.

    "Smitty's" Fokker F.VIIb-3m "Southern Cross" is indeed a rare bird that has graced the skies of Hawaii.
     
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    RE: HNL Rare Birds ...

    Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:02 pm

    The post from Tbear speaks volumes! Right On! Bullseye! Thank you.

    There also was a JL DC-10 that made the long trek to 8R around noon.

    I suppose making the right turn after rotating plays into that factor of taking 8R since the taxiway closures began. From either 8, any military or commercial plane has to turn right to a heading of at least 120°, in order to stay clear of downtown Honolulu, and remain off-shore. Considering what the load factor is, may play into the decision making process. I would venture to guess that the pilot has the final say, if he (or she) feels that they can make the turn as soon as possible. Since the taxiway closures began, I have heard some ATCs get on pilots cases for not making the right turn soon enough off of 8L.

    There are pilots familiar with HNL's layout on this thread. Can you share your perspective on this? Are there any HNL ATCs that can tell us why those taxiways are closed?

    Ooh! That "Blast From The Past" goes way back. Great choice. Yes, even back in the day, pilots needed Hawaii. And they always will.

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