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VS346
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DL 777s In AMS

Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:31 am

Anyone know why DL has 777s going to AMS from ATL this time of year and then switching over to 763ERs for the summer? Seems like there would be more people traveling in the summer.

Anyone with inside knowledge know why?

Thanks

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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:33 am

That's what I would like to know.
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:33 am

More people, yes... more yield, probably not.

That, and CVG will add additional USA-Holland capacity early in the summer, with KL resuming ATL in the fall.
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:39 am

Does DL have plans to bring 777s back into LGW for the summer?
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:44 am

DL only will fly 763 aircraft this summer betw ATL-AMS


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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:45 am

Thrust, they are taking the 777 on flight 12 off and replacing it with a 763ER and adding another flight with a 763ER starting June 1 2004 to make a total of 4 non-stops from ATL

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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:16 am

I am thinking cargo capacity. There is a huge demand this time of year for the shipment of flowers and other plants in time for spring planting. The Netherlands has the largest wholesale flower market in the world. I believe that Delta also operated the 777 to AMS about this time last year.
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:35 am

DL only has a limited number of 777's and must put them on the routes with the highest demand. While a 777 is a good choice for any European airport in the summer DL elected to add an additional flight to AMS for a total of 3 a day between the US and AMS. Meanwhile taking the one extra 777 and adding it on the Ireland route. Routing ATL-DUB/SNN-ATL to meet the capacity of that market with only 1 daily flight.

"I believe that Delta also operated the 777 to AMS about this time last year."

They did up until they put it on the ATL-FCO route. Likewise with AMS this year FCO received an additional flight out of CVG.


May 1 777 routings
2 going ATL-NRT
1 spare for ATL-NRT (ATL-MCO-ATL)
1 going ATL-LAX-ATL
1 going ATL-DUB/SNN-ATL
1 going ATL-CDG-ATL
1 going ATL-LGW-ATL
1 going ATL-FRA-ATL

June 1 777 routings
2 going ATL-NRT
1 spare for ATL-NRT (ATL-MCO-ATL)
1 going ATL-DUB/SNN-ATL
1 going ATL-CDG-ATL
1 going ATL-FRA-ATL
1 going CVG-CDG-CVG
1 going ATL-MXP-ATL
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:39 am

1 spare for ATL-NRT (ATL-MCO-ATL)
1 going ATL-LAX-ATL


Unless something's recently changed, the LAX flight is opped by the Pacific-equipped aircraft... whereas MCO is a turnaround for a Euro flight.
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:50 am

"Unless something's recently changed, the LAX flight is opped by the Pacific-equipped aircraft... whereas MCO is a turnaround for a Euro flight."


Nope its now whatever DL wants to send. Initially it was setup that way (and still is sort of), but now 3 x 3 x 3 aircraft are going over the Atlantic more often. If a 777 were to 'breakdown' then it is break a few BusinessElite seats and reaccom the flight into 2 x 5 x 2 in coach.
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Fri Apr 02, 2004 4:46 pm

Thanks for the info! Any idea how many of the DL 777s that have the overhead crewrest and the 3-3-3 seating ? When will the reconfiguration be complete ? Thanks !

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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sat Apr 03, 2004 4:49 am

Nope its now whatever DL wants to send. Initially it was setup that way (and still is sort of), but now 3 x 3 x 3 aircraft are going over the Atlantic more often. If a 777 were to 'breakdown' then it is break a few BusinessElite seats and reaccom the flight into 2 x 5 x 2 in coach.

Hmm, on first take, what you say doesnt appear to make any sense.

How many aircraft are currently in 3x3x3?
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:32 am

3 777s are equipped with the overhead crew rest - ships 7001 (N860DA), 7002 (N861DA), and 7003 (N862DA). Ships 7002 and 7008 (N867DA) have had the 3-3-3 Y Seating for a while now though 7008 does not have the crew rest. Not sure if 7001 and 7003 got the 3-3-3 treatment at the same time as the overhead crew rest modification.
 
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:37 am

That's what I thought-- which doesn't lend credence to the above poster's claim of DL routinely sending aircraft in that configuration over the Atlantic, unless I'm missing something.
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:02 am

The 77P is indeed slated for ATLNRT and ATL-SNN/DUB. Thus DL will have 2 777 aircraft 3x3x3 configured going across the Atlantic daily. The spare 77P and ship 7008. Now which route 7008 actually takes is left up to operations.

To answer the original question, once the 767 CVG-AMS flight comes online in May, there will be three DL 767 flights to and from AMS (JFK, CVG, ATL), hence the 777 capacity will not be needed.
 
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:22 am

Thanks Mikey  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sat Apr 03, 2004 10:30 am

Just to confirm, ships 7001, 7002, 7003 and 7004 are 3-3-3 in Y. The rest of the fleet, 7004-7007 are 2-5-2.
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:13 pm

So DL is still in the process of reconfiguring the 777 fleet from 2-5-2 to 3-3-3 ? Will they install more overhead crew rests in the 777 fleet ?

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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:43 pm

Correction to the post above- ship 7007 already has the 3-3-3 config in Y
 
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:05 am

no, 7008 is the sole 3x3x3 aircraft without overhead crew rest. It came delivered from Boeing with the 3x3x3 after it was decided to stop taking delivery of the overhead crew rest due to post 9/11 cost cutting. 7008 was already loaded into the firing order at Boeing with the Master Change approved before it could be deferred in the delivery books.

7002 had the original STC accomplished at TIMCO during the 9/11 fiasco. Then last year, 7001 and 7003 were retrofitted in order to relieve the MD-11 of its NRT duties.
 
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:08 am

The777man,

all plans to outfit the remaining 777's with overhead crew rest/3x3x3 config have been indefinitely postponed.
 
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sun Apr 04, 2004 2:25 am

Thanks for the info !

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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:00 am

VS346, thanks for clearing up the flight 12 deal. Appreciate it.

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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:14 am

Panamair

Are you sure about ship 7007 having 3x3x3 seating? The seat maps on Delta's computer system shows a 2x5x2 configuration. I checked today's flights for that aircraft.
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:17 am

Thrust,

My pleasure  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:14 am

DAirbus,
Sorry about that..my bad..I meant to say 7008(N867DA) - got messed up between 867 and 7007 (which is N866DA and is still in 2-5-2)...
 
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:32 pm

Maybe because KLM also is going to fly ATL again. More competition, less seats to fill per aircraft.

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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:18 am

KLM is returning to ATL because of their upcoming entry into SKYTEAM they will be a partner with DELTA not a competitor.
 
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:17 am

Well, then why not codeshare... now you have to fill 2 planes 'again'..

this is exactly why I find alliances such as Skyteam or Star 'stupid', if there would be one thing efficient it would be using one big plane instead of 2 small.
 
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RE: DL 777s In AMS

Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:56 am

KLM is returning to ATL because of their upcoming entry into SKYTEAM they will be a partner with DELTA not a competitor

Not exactly accurate.

All of DL's partners remain competitors in the ATL and CVG markets, even those with which it shares antitrust immunity (e.g.: AF, KE, etc).
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